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I remember Al was involved in some "massage" incident at his hotel room. In the Pac NW I think. Seattle or Portland IIRC

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Cow Hop Ag said:

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I remember Al was involved in some "massage" incident at his hotel room. In the Pac NW I think. Seattle or Portland IIRC

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Yep.

That disgusting fat body tried to force himself on a massage girl.

I swear, liberals are total degenerates.

Yeah.. so my memory is not completely shot.

Although, it is hard to keep up with the left's criminally deviant escapades

And Bubba Clinton laughed at Al for this I am sure. Amateur...

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I remember Al was involved in some "massage" incident at his hotel room. In the Pac NW I think. Seattle or Portland IIRC

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And not a peep from these nasty women like Ashley on the coverup.

I would grab her by the p***y but I'm not sure about her hygiene.

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To early a judgment for that IMHO.

I can see a number of scenarios heading down the road here.

Jordan's comment is 100% spot on, the FBI and the DOJ cannot investigate it self!

That needs to be repeated in bold and all caps. THE FBI AND THE DOJ CANNOT INVESTIGATE ITS SELF!!?

We have never faced anything quite like this in our history! Where a sitting president who sought to destroy traditional American and he stated that clearly that he would be an agent of change. He did that by some extremely devious means and big part of that was staffing the IC and the FBI and the DOJ and the various branches under the executive authority with leftist globalist that had an anti white, anti christian agenda.

This is been clearly proven.

This is so deep and so comprehensive that it beyond the ability of the average American to get their head around it! It is also so dark and so deep that those who do understand just want to go into a form of denial.

Human nature wants to turn away from this sort of stuff, it overwhelms the average joe.


You also have a strong contingency of residue left over from that same ADMIN. They will stop at nothing to keep this from boiling over to main stream America. They lie, they steal and they kill. They are desperate. That has been their game plan since Trump won. Attack Trump, DELAY and scrap, lie distract and try to get to the mid terms without this getting out in mass. Yet if it gets out in mass can the populace handle it? The level of corruption in our government that has now taken over our IC and law enforcement and Justice dept is deep,

There is already a large section of the population that does not trust the gov. well that is going to go in spades. How can we have law and order when the populace losses respect for the law enforcement agencies that are supposed to be maintaining law and order!? We know that the FBI has been corrupted and even in this latest shooting fumbled the ball bigly.

This is real mess.

So I can see how this may still be a game that Trump is playiing. It just cannot look like a Republican hit job on the 'anti christ, anti american party. We need to try to avoid civil unrest.

Yet can even a SC or a Special Prosecuter do the job when they will be the one's offering the evidence and trying the cases against themselves?

What a mess!!

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We have never faced anything quite like this in our history! Where a sitting president who sought to destroy traditional American and he stated that clearly that he would be an agent of change. He did that by some extremely devious means and big part of that was staffing the IC and the FBI and the DOJ and the various branches under the executive authority with leftist globalist that had an anti white, anti christian agenda.

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It is amazing how bad and destructive he was to the standing of institutions, already a little battered by the very erratic policy and no clear leadership direction of the Bush43 tenure after the divisive election of 2000. Even `Pearl Harbor' barely dented it --so partisan has the MSM and parties become. But Obama's admin was on a whole other level, and entirely out of tune with why he was elected in 2008 (across racial and party lines).

Oddly enough, for the left press liking to throw Adolf's name around so much, Obama was far more out of step and contra his country's current tilt than Hitler was in Europe of the 30's. It is what made all the claims about origin kind of beside the point. A real Manchurian candidate could hardly have been more erosive of the national fiber given policies and tone set.

Well, like I posted earlier, I was initially cautiously optimistic on Mueller. That sentiment of mine is now gone. Some here still have faith in him. I do not. Not after what we have seen over the past year.

I feel the same way about Sessions.

Hopefully both will prove me wrong. I doubt it though.

When true conservatives like Jim Jordan are totally pissed at someone (like he is with Sessions) then my opinion is made.

I trust Jordan. I do not trust Sessions.

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Well, like I posted earlier, I was initially cautiously optimistic on Mueller. That of mine is now gone. Some here still have faith in him. I do not. Not after what we have seen over the past year.

I feel the same way about Sessions.

Hopefully both will prove me wrong. I doubt it though.

When true conservatives like Jim Jordan are totally pissed at someone (like he is with Sessions) then my opinion is made.

I trust Jordan. I do not trust Sessions.

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Sessions is ineffective as a leader, He's not really running DOJ, his subordinates are and they are still conducting business as usual. So much for collegiality in the Senate. Sessions is pulling a "talk to the hand" on Grassley and Graham and I have no idea why.

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Prosecutors have quietly delayed the Awan brothers trial again for the forth time. If people think this is a real estate mortgage trial they are crazy. Something tells me they are awaiting the IG report to drop as well, and the fact that Mueller is reportedly going after the "hackers" is directly related to them, that and the fact that he had DWS laptop in his possession when he was arrested two months after he had been barred from IT access on the hill. Still curious to see where the US Attorney is going to pursue these guys.

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Schweikart may have a point...I hope so. That would be glorious.

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Prosecutors have quietly delayed the Awan brothers trial again for the forth time. If people think this is a real estate mortgage trial they are crazy. Something tells me they are awaiting the IG report to drop as well, and the fact that Mueller is reportedly going after the "hackers" is directly related to them, that and the fact that he had DWS laptop in his possession when he was arrested two months after he had been barred from IT access on the hill. Still curious to see where the US Attorney is going to pursue these guys.

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Schweikart may have a point...I hope so. That would be glorious.

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I would love it and would be the easiest way to "drain the swamp" with mass resignations from the dems. The Reps who believe they will be implicated have largely resigned already (I'm sure there are more).

I think it speaks volumes to the mindset of R's vs D's...they both are guilty of the same despicable sex scandals but the R's feel guilty about it and step down while the D's have always felt invincible (wouldn't you if you had the MSM in your pocket).

I mean the amount of muck corruption and just plain wickedness is overwhelming on about every front.
How do you even begin to go after all this muck!?

Session's is either overwhelmed, or they are waiting for the final IG report and he is part of the whole plan.

So let's brain storm abit. What if the IG report is so damning across the entire DOJ and FBI and may even implement the judicial system in some way?

How does a SC handle that or even begin to handle that?

Way to big, too deep and too wide for a SC.

Look I mean we are not involved with the intimacies of government and yet we know what we have going on here on multiple levels!! We know about white a black hats.

Are there enough white hats to actually take this monster on and can our nation survive it!

Very critical times. IF YOU ARE A BELIEVER IN A REAL GOD, pretty good time to pray for our nation like never before.

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Something tells me they are awaiting the IG report to drop as well, and the fact that Mueller is reportedly going after the "hackers" is directly related to them, that and the fact that he had DWS laptop in his possession when he was arrested two months after he had been barred from IT access on the hill.

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My god, there are so many investigations going on, and some we probably don't know about, that measures must be taken to not step on one another. This is like a Rubics Cube.

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This is Luke a Rubics Cube.

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Prosecutors have quietly delayed the Awan brothers trial again for the forth time. If people think this is a real estate mortgage trial they are crazy. Something tells me they are awaiting the IG report to drop as well, and the fact that Mueller is reportedly going after the "hackers" is directly related to them, that and the fact that he had DWS laptop in his possession when he was arrested two months after he had been barred from IT access on the hill. Still curious to see where the US Attorney is going to pursue these guys.

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Schweikart may have a point...I hope so. That would be glorious.

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In my view, the only way Awan would be singing is if they have him on espionage charges, meaning he was transmitting information back to Pakistani intelligence. Espionage puts the death penalty into the mix.

Why else would the Awans be sending info to Pakistan?

I kinda doubt it was for Aunt Gupta to read Pelosi's cooking recipes

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Prosecutors have quietly delayed the Awan brothers trial again for the forth time. If people think this is a real estate mortgage trial they are crazy. Something tells me they are awaiting the IG report to drop as well, and the fact that Mueller is reportedly going after the "hackers" is directly related to them, that and the fact that he had DWS laptop in his possession when he was arrested two months after he had been barred from IT access on the hill. Still curious to see where the US Attorney is going to pursue these guys.

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Schweikart may have a point...I hope so. That would be glorious.

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In my view, the only way Awan would be singing is if they have him on espionage charges, meaning he was transmitting information back to Pakistani intelligence. Espionage puts the death penalty into the mix.

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The fact that they have evidense showing he was mounting the Dem House Server from Islamabad remotely, is pretty iron clad on protocols being out the door. He could literally had a cloud of the entire democratic hill mail server, hosted in Pakistan, based on the level of access he had for years. Talk about FUBAR

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Why else would the Awans be sending info to Pakistan?

I kinda doubt it was for Aunt Gupta to read Pelosi's cooking recipes

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Well knowing that he was transmitting something back to Pakistan and proving he was engaged in espionage are two different matters.

But to OPAG's fears of a complete DOJ/FBI meltdown, I think it is that doomsday scenario that is fueling the military tribunal speculation. There are still some jurisdictional issues to overcome, however.

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/969814604099366912.html

A history lesson...the real RussiaGate. How the Clintons came to love Russia. And yes, we meddled in Russian elections. Just ask Bill about it...and Gore too.

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Great thread.

I had never heard anything about any of this.

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The fact that they have evidense showing he was mounting the Dem House Server from Islamabad remotely, is pretty iron clad on protocols being out the door. He could literally had a cloud of the entire democratic hill mail server, hosted in Pakistan, based on the level of access he had for years. Talk about FUBAR

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Fair point. He had the computer knowledge, the hardware and the opportunity to be engaged in espionage.

But did he? Still have to prove that he, in fact, did so. And if most of his devices were encrypted?? Wouldn't he have to cooperate with authorities to allow them to access them? Or could they defeat the encryption without his assistance?

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The fact that they have evidense showing he was mounting the Dem House Server from Islamabad remotely, is pretty iron clad on protocols being out the door. He could literally had a cloud of the entire democratic hill mail server, hosted in Pakistan, based on the level of access he had for years. Talk about FUBAR

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Fair point. He had the computer knowledge, the hardware and the opportunity to be engaged in espionage.

But did he? Still have to prove that he, in fact, did so. And if most of his devices were encrypted?? Wouldn't he have to cooperate with authorities to allow them to access them? Or could they defeat the encryption without his assistance?

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1996--year of Bill Clinton's reelection and the Chinese Year of the Rat. In this explosive book, Timperlake and Triplett deliver the detailed evidence that could've brought down the Clinton presidency.

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The fact that they have evidense showing he was mounting the Dem House Server from Islamabad remotely, is pretty iron clad on protocols being out the door. He could literally had a cloud of the entire democratic hill mail server, hosted in Pakistan, based on the level of access he had for years. Talk about FUBAR

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Fair point. He had the computer knowledge, the hardware and the opportunity to be engaged in espionage.

But did he? Still have to prove that he, in fact, did so. And if most of his devices were encrypted?? Wouldn't he have to cooperate with authorities to allow them to access them? Or could they defeat the encryption without his assistance?

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If Awan is a sharp as he should be, he wouldn't transfer anything across fiber (internet) because the NSA would have him, there are no shortcuts around the NSA if Bill Binney's testimony is legit, and I really believe it is. Manually moving data on thumb drives or SD Cards would be the ticket. Like with what Snowden was doing.

Whether or not he could ghost a drive onto another media without being detected or leaving footprints in the sand, is something for the experts to decide. Breaking an encryption is something else way above my pay grade, but if there was anyone could do it I'd assume we'd find them.

Them having his wife detained, gives them a bit of leverage with him perhaps, even though Pakistani women are generally treated like a door mat. This is something I've tried to pay attention to, because there is no way it's not relevant to all this other mess going on.

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If Awan is a sharp as he should be, he wouldn't transfer anything across fiber (internet) because the NSA would have him, there are no shortcuts around the NSA if Bill Binney's testimony is legit, and I really believe it is. Manually moving data on thumb drives or SD Cards would be the ticket. Like with what Snowden was doing.

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Aahh, you said a mouthful there. Hope the NSA has been busy combing over everything they can find in their meta-data pursuant to a search warrant. Charging him with espionage makes that warrant a no-brainer. Maybe that's what is in a couple of the sealed indictments??? (Please, please, please?)

Smoke signals are indicating that this will be exposed and taken down.

If the IG comes back and says "nothing to see here, carry on", if we assume that TOO is a cover-up, then the change was nearly completed.

Who knows how much Soros and his ilk have poured into this, monetarily, strategically, and ideologically, culminating in the O admin. If this is a swing and miss, it's scary because the left, not just aided but PUSHED by the media, shows no signs of moving back towards the center. Whomever is next will continue the BS crazy sprint into the Pacific.

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Chairman Nunes highlights two key issues: #1) The risk to the Democrats in having their use of a politically weaponized FBI and DOJ exposed; and #2) It is against the interests of the U.S. media to highlight the alarming investigative discoveries, because the media participated in pushing the narrative which aided the weaponization.

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Sessions is such a clown...as is anyone defending him at this point.

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Jordan's comment is 100% spot on, the FBI and the DOJ cannot investigate it self!

That needs to be repeated in bold and all caps. THE FBI AND THE DOJ CANNOT INVESTIGATE ITS SELF!!?

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Is this where the Military Justice system steps in?
Military Police Investigators which leads to military prosecutors which leads to trying cases in military courts?

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Sessions is such a clown...as is anyone defending him at this point.

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Jordan's comment is 100% spot on, the FBI and the DOJ cannot investigate it self!

That needs to be repeated in bold and all caps. THE FBI AND THE DOJ CANNOT INVESTIGATE ITS SELF!!?

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Is this where the Military Justice system steps in?
Military Police Investigators which leads to military prosecutors which leads to trying cases in military courts?

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There won't be military prosecutors.

The DoJ can investigate itself. (Trump has even recently called for DoJ "lawyers" to do it)

That's exactly what an office of inspector general does. Now, it's certainly possible OIG can be conflicted and a special counsel is needed. But it has to more than just because the investigation is of the DoJ

Given the wide spread and invasive corruption alleged, this very well may be situation where special counsel is needed.

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Is this where the Military Justice system steps in?

Military Police Investigators which leads to military prosecutors which leads to trying cases in military courts?

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In my view, no. This is a call for a Special Counsel.

How about a special prosecutor instead, more than enough evidense to get a GJ going, if the Special Prosector wants to investigate, they can choose their investigators

Needs to be a moratorium on the FISC

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Needs to be a moratorium on the FISC

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Let's not jump out of the other side of the boat, now. Don't need to go all Church Committee here. There is a need for FISA courts, just need to tweak their procedures a bit.

The legislation that just extended FISA applied to 702 queries, not Title I FISA warrants.

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And preferably a SC that will drip-drip-drip indictments every month consecutively until Tuesday 3Nov20.

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And preferably a SC that will drip-drip-drip indictments every month consecutively until Tuesday 3Nov20.

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The biggest concern for a second SC is where they tap their investigators. The FBI? The military? The NSA?

That was my biggest problem with how Mueller staffed his team. Too many lawyers and not enough worker bees, particularly those that could give valuable analysis on the DNC computer "hacks" and other social media actions committed by foreign actors. The only actual crime that he was tasked to investigate.

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Makes me tingly thinking about it. ;-)

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Is this where the Military Justice system steps in?

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And preferably a SC that will drip-drip-drip indictments every month consecutively until Tuesday 3Nov20.

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The biggest concern for a second SC is where they tap their investigators. The FBI? The military? The NSA?

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