I just scroll past the trolls. In a thread this long, you pretty much can identify the posters who have information/opinion that is worth reading and skim/skip the others.Rockdoc said:
Yeah, but I'm a freeloader so don't have that option.
So IF it was so important to get it out there, why is it taking so long to ... you know ... get it out there?jjeffers1 said:
Anybody seen that Schiff memo?
Grassley drop kicked Schiff in the teeth with his Letter, Schiff can't hide from the revelation of facts.aginlakeway said:So IF it was so important to get it out there, why is it taking so long to ... you know ... get it out there?jjeffers1 said:
Anybody seen that Schiff memo?
So it will now never be released? Where there be outrage against Schiff? (sarcasm)blindey said:
The long and short is that Schiff included data that if released un-redacted would burn assets in the field. It was done on purpose as a political stunt. The White House handed it to the FBI/DoJ for comment, they said it has to be redacted, and the White House passed it back to Schiff with those instructions.
Nothing has changed since.
the real answer is that schuff's attempt to score cheap political points got thoroughly tea bagged by the Grassley letter.aginlakeway said:So it will now never be released? Where there be outrage against Schiff? (sarcasm)blindey said:
The long and short is that Schiff included data that if released un-redacted would burn assets in the field. It was done on purpose as a political stunt. The White House handed it to the FBI/DoJ for comment, they said it has to be redacted, and the White House passed it back to Schiff with those instructions.
Nothing has changed since.
$5 a month? Do you even "Two Teas", bruh!?Rockdoc said:
Yeah, but I'm a freeloader so don't have that option.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/15/house-democrats-surveillance-memo-stand-still-uncl/aginlakeway said:So it will now never be released? Where there be outrage against Schiff? (sarcasm)blindey said:
The long and short is that Schiff included data that if released un-redacted would burn assets in the field. It was done on purpose as a political stunt. The White House handed it to the FBI/DoJ for comment, they said it has to be redacted, and the White House passed it back to Schiff with those instructions.
Nothing has changed since.
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Rep. Adam B. Schiff said Thursday he's uncertain when the Democratic memo concerning alleged surveillance abuses will be released and he wouldn't say whether he'll work on it next week while Congress is out of town.
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"We hope to get it resolved as soon as possible," Mr. Schiff told The Washington Times Thursday.
But I thought it was really important to get this memo out there?SpreadsheetAg said:https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/15/house-democrats-surveillance-memo-stand-still-uncl/aginlakeway said:So it will now never be released? Where there be outrage against Schiff? (sarcasm)blindey said:
The long and short is that Schiff included data that if released un-redacted would burn assets in the field. It was done on purpose as a political stunt. The White House handed it to the FBI/DoJ for comment, they said it has to be redacted, and the White House passed it back to Schiff with those instructions.
Nothing has changed since.Quote:
Rep. Adam B. Schiff said Thursday he's uncertain when the Democratic memo concerning alleged surveillance abuses will be released and he wouldn't say whether he'll work on it next week while Congress is out of town.Quote:
"We hope to get it resolved as soon as possible," Mr. Schiff told The Washington Times Thursday.
Seems like there is exculpatory evidence which will have to be produced and the Mueller team is pretty desperate to limit its discovery and use in the broader context of its investigation.Quote:
Fast forward to Wednesday. Prosecutors and the defense submitted to Sullivan a proposed order limiting the use of any new evidence produced by the government. The evidence can be used by Flynn's defense "solely in connection with the defense of this case, and for no other purpose, and in connection with no other proceeding." The proposed order, awaiting Sullivan's approval, also set out rules for handling "sensitive" materials.
That's where things stand now. The latest filings indicate both sides are taking Sullivan's order seriously, which is certainly a good idea, given Sullivan's history. But is there actually not-yet-produced evidence that might help Flynn? If so, would it have any effect on the case in which Flynn has already pleaded guilty? And would it have any effect on the larger Trump-Russia investigation? There are no answers right now, but United States v. Michael Flynn remains a case to watch.
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For over a year, the Democrats, especially Schiff, have been shouting "collusion with Russia" from the rooftops of the swamp. It must be true, they say. It is true, they insist. They badly want it to be true. But as we now know, none of it is true. It was all a set-up, an "insurance policy," a grand plan to prevent Trump's election and, after he won, to ensure his eventual impeachment. It had to work! Otherwise, an administration from outside D.C. might uncover the many unconstitutional crimes of the FBI, the DOJ, the DNC, the ever corrupt Clintons, and the Obama administration, crimes committed to cover up crimes.
The moment Trump won, the plan to discredit him with the fake dossiers that had been commissioned and produced by the Clinton campaign escalated into high gear. The major players on the left, HRC and the DNC, and the higher-ups in the FBI and the DOJ accelerated their operation and shifted into cover-up mode. Trump had to be removed from office before he discovered and investigated their egregious underhandedness. This bunch was all in to protect Hillary Clinton and destroy Trump. These people were sure they would succeed.
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Adam Schiff and his willing dupes in the media are about to be proven to be as immature and as stupidly arrogant as Columbo's smug miscreants. Surely Schiff and his pals realize what is coming down the pike with the DOJ I.G. report. But no. They will cross that bridge when confronted with it. They seem to think stonewalling the truth will prevent it from exploding into the public sphere.
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The release of the Nunes memo was going to be a catastrophic risk to our national security, according the Democrats who had read it. Every Democrat on the intel committee voted to block its release. Then, the minute it was released, it was a "nothingburger." The Grassley-Graham memo, ignored by the media, underscored the depth of chicanery by our law enforcement institutions laid out in the Nunes memo. And in the face of overwhelming, documented evidence, Adam Schiff is still in front of every camera he can find touting Trump-Russia collusion. The man is foolish beyond description, as are the media news anchors who relish the nonsense he spews. They are seemingly incapable of thinking about tomorrow.
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Will they continue to pretend our premier law enforcement institutions have not been corrupted to the core by the Obama administration? Of course they will. They will count on the fact, feel secure in the knowledge, that their viewers, their readers do not know any better. On that score, they may be right. Who among the committed Democrat voters who still think Obama was the light and the way has heard of Fusion GPS? Of Uranium One? Of Peter Strzok and Lisa Page? Of Sid Blumenthal or Christopher Steele? Very few, sad to say.
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Instead, many of the wealthiest among us lobby for the destruction of the very system that made them safe and rich: Hollywood celebrities, the D.C. establishment, the radicals of Silicon Valley, the Tom Steyers, etc. who are genuine totalitarians at heart. Like Columbo's student-criminals, this crowd of the powerful cannot be allowed to prevail over the law, the American people, and the Constitution. The bad guys among the criminal elites have to go to jail... The clock is ticking. Adam Schiff is currently a hero of the left but a paper tiger if there ever was one. He is roundly mocked on a daily basis by the right, for good reason. Nunes, the dairy farmer, has about a hundred I.Q. points on Schiff, but Schiff, of course, is wholly unaware of that fact. Schiff and his fellow collusion cultists are going to lose. They will be made to look like the dupes they are.
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Let us hope that the plodding tenacity of Nunes and Grassley comes to a Columboesque end: the bad guys have to go to jail. Somebody has to go to jail for orchestrating the most serious political crimes in U.S. history. The Clintons were shameless crooks, but the Obama administration was downright sinister.
The irony of thatSpreadsheetAg said:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/adam_schiff_meet_columbo.htmlQuote:
For over a year, the Democrats, especially Schiff, have been shouting "collusion with Russia" from the rooftops of the swamp. It must be true, they say. It is true, they insist. They badly want it to be true. But as we now know, none of it is true. It was all a set-up, an "insurance policy," a grand plan to prevent Trump's election and, after he won, to ensure his eventual impeachment. It had to work! Otherwise, an administration from outside D.C. might uncover the many unconstitutional crimes of the FBI, the DOJ, the DNC, the ever corrupt Clintons, and the Obama administration, crimes committed to cover up crimes.
The moment Trump won, the plan to discredit him with the fake dossiers that had been commissioned and produced by the Clinton campaign escalated into high gear. The major players on the left, HRC and the DNC, and the higher-ups in the FBI and the DOJ accelerated their operation and shifted into cover-up mode. Trump had to be removed from office before he discovered and investigated their egregious underhandedness. This bunch was all in to protect Hillary Clinton and destroy Trump. These people were sure they would succeed.Quote:
Adam Schiff and his willing dupes in the media are about to be proven to be as immature and as stupidly arrogant as Columbo's smug miscreants. Surely Schiff and his pals realize what is coming down the pike with the DOJ I.G. report. But no. They will cross that bridge when confronted with it. They seem to think stonewalling the truth will prevent it from exploding into the public sphere.Quote:
The release of the Nunes memo was going to be a catastrophic risk to our national security, according the Democrats who had read it. Every Democrat on the intel committee voted to block its release. Then, the minute it was released, it was a "nothingburger." The Grassley-Graham memo, ignored by the media, underscored the depth of chicanery by our law enforcement institutions laid out in the Nunes memo. And in the face of overwhelming, documented evidence, Adam Schiff is still in front of every camera he can find touting Trump-Russia collusion. The man is foolish beyond description, as are the media news anchors who relish the nonsense he spews. They are seemingly incapable of thinking about tomorrow.Quote:
Will they continue to pretend our premier law enforcement institutions have not been corrupted to the core by the Obama administration? Of course they will. They will count on the fact, feel secure in the knowledge, that their viewers, their readers do not know any better. On that score, they may be right. Who among the committed Democrat voters who still think Obama was the light and the way has heard of Fusion GPS? Of Uranium One? Of Peter Strzok and Lisa Page? Of Sid Blumenthal or Christopher Steele? Very few, sad to say.Quote:
Instead, many of the wealthiest among us lobby for the destruction of the very system that made them safe and rich: Hollywood celebrities, the D.C. establishment, the radicals of Silicon Valley, the Tom Steyers, etc. who are genuine totalitarians at heart. Like Columbo's student-criminals, this crowd of the powerful cannot be allowed to prevail over the law, the American people, and the Constitution. The bad guys among the criminal elites have to go to jail... The clock is ticking. Adam Schiff is currently a hero of the left but a paper tiger if there ever was one. He is roundly mocked on a daily basis by the right, for good reason. Nunes, the dairy farmer, has about a hundred I.Q. points on Schiff, but Schiff, of course, is wholly unaware of that fact. Schiff and his fellow collusion cultists are going to lose. They will be made to look like the dupes they are.Quote:
Let us hope that the plodding tenacity of Nunes and Grassley comes to a Columboesque end: the bad guys have to go to jail. Somebody has to go to jail for orchestrating the most serious political crimes in U.S. history. The Clintons were shameless crooks, but the Obama administration was downright sinister.
TL;DR = Schiff is the worst kind of idiot: an arrogant one with some power and a deaf, cultish following.
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...6) She is rightly assigning the responsibility to the Exec Branch where it belongs. She is also stepping back from the situation... FOR NOW. She is basically saying the Legislative Branch and the Exec Branch need to settle this to avoid a new precedent. This is important.
7) It is not stated in the letter but it is known that the primary concern of Goodlatte is that there are two versions of the documents being requested. ie: that the Court docs do not match the DOJ/FBI docs.
8) The KEY to understanding her letter is right here.
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9) After putting the DOJ on the hook for providing the docs the Judge in this section sets up the Court as a referee between the Legislative and Executive Branches.
10) She states that the Court cannot render a final judgement until the Exec Branch defines their position. "their handling of your requests WILL INFORM the Court..."
11) She ends the letter letting Goodlatte know that she will be monitoring the DOJ response. She will see what docs the DOJ provides and if they match the Courts.
12) Important to note that the Court IS NOT washing their hands and walking away. The Court put the Exec Branch and the DOJ on the spot to define their position and produce. In poker terms, the Judge is calling and the DOJ now has to lay down their cards for the Court to see.
Thanks for posting this. It's what I inferred, but good to see it confirmed.drcrinum said:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/964507838994419712.htmlQuote:
...6) She is rightly assigning the responsibility to the Exec Branch where it belongs. She is also stepping back from the situation... FOR NOW. She is basically saying the Legislative Branch and the Exec Branch need to settle this to avoid a new precedent. This is important.
7) It is not stated in the letter but it is known that the primary concern of Goodlatte is that there are two versions of the documents being requested. ie: that the Court docs do not match the DOJ/FBI docs.
8) The KEY to understanding her letter is right here.Quote:
9) After putting the DOJ on the hook for providing the docs the Judge in this section sets up the Court as a referee between the Legislative and Executive Branches.
10) She states that the Court cannot render a final judgement until the Exec Branch defines their position. "their handling of your requests WILL INFORM the Court..."
11) She ends the letter letting Goodlatte know that she will be monitoring the DOJ response. She will see what docs the DOJ provides and if they match the Courts.
12) Important to note that the Court IS NOT washing their hands and walking away. The Court put the Exec Branch and the DOJ on the spot to define their position and produce. In poker terms, the Judge is calling and the DOJ now has to lay down their cards for the Court to see.
This is a short thread concerning Judge Collyer's reply to Rep. Goodlatte. I've quoted the relevant parts.
I have speculated before that the 302s supporting the charges of making a false or misleading statements to the FBI were altered. And that Mueller may have just recently become apprised of that. The alteration I suggested was not Flynn's answers but the precise questions he was asked. If a question is ambiguous, subject to alternative interpretations, then it is hard to prove any intent to mislead or give false statements.Quote:
Seems like there is exculpatory evidence which will have to be produced and the Mueller team is pretty desperate to limit its discovery and use in the broader context of its investigation.
When Flynn's guilty plea was announced I posted something like "Strike Two!" Because neither it nor the indictment against Manafort had anything to do with Trump and Russian collusion. (Try as they may, Flynn's guilty plea for misleading FBI agents does not support the collusion meme, not legally, not practically.)Quote:
I had not really considered the Flynn plea to be a big deal in the unfolding saga of Russia, Russia, Russia, but it has the potential to be every bit as big as the Nunes memo and the Grassley referral . I think the IG report will be bigger than any of this, but we'll have to see. The drip, drip, drip of sanitizing sunshine into these slimy recesses of Washington is almost as fun as Aggie recruiting.
Not seeing it as to anything Mueller is doing. As I said, Flynn's "crimes" were a discrete event. As a member of the transition team, incoming national security advisor, his having conversations with the Russian ambassador was not illegal. (They couldn't even make a Logan Act violation out of it, not for lack of trying though.)Quote:
"Ok, here is all the discovery that we didn't turn over the first time, but there is information in here that is consequential to our investigation of others - which is ongoing - and therefore we need to make sure that information isn't made public as it would be detrimental to the investigation."
or, to your point about "tainted evidence," perhaps the information they are now turning over is consequential to the ongoing IG investigation?
Just like they couldn't cheat and win an election either.aggiehawg said:
By this point, having the Flynn plea under scrutiny for prosecutorial misconduct, even further destroys the Russian/Trump collusion narrative. They can't get anything on Trump even when they cheat and use extra-legal means!
Spin that one!
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Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office said Friday that a grand jury indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential elections, during which they boosted the candidacy of Donald Trump.
The indictment says that the defendants by early to mid-2016 were "supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ... and disparaging Hillary Clinton."
An announcement from Mueller's office said that the government accuses all the defendants of conspiracy to defraud the United States.
Three defendants are charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud. Five defendants are charged with aggravated identity theft.
etcetera said:
boom
Cow Hop Ag said:
I eagerly await the Soros indictment for the same.
