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McCabe: we just tried to think about who to investigate. No predicate at all. Steele was too good a source to question.

We need to disband the FBI. It's beyond salvage.

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It should scare everyone that this guy was at the highest levels of ensuring national security. "That's how good sources report?" By funneling abject garbage sourced from Russians that was so ridiculous that it was nearly all debunked the moment it went public? If that's true then we should just disband the FBI because they suck at their jobs. They treated the Steele dossier as legitimate for months while it took news outlets a few days to tear most of it apart. That's America's best and brightest? Or perhaps just most partisan.

This guy needs to be brought down hard. If he walks after all this, justice is truly not blind in this country.

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. . . "Let the jury consider their verdict," the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.

"No, no!" said the Queen. "Sentence firstverdict afterward."

"Stuff and nonsense!" said Alice loudly. "The idea of having the sentence first!"

"Hold your tongue!" said the Queen, turning purple.

"I won't!" said Alice.

"Off with her head!" the Queen shouted at the top of her voice. Nobody moved.

"Who cares for you?" said Alice. (She had grown to her full size by this time.) "You're nothing but a pack of cards!"

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Sound familiar?

Well, now we know from whence the Dems learned their current strategy...

FBI delende est.

Hopefully the GOP legislature and Trump can work on an entirely new replacement organization via legislation in 2021.

Original article here:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/09/anti-trump-whistleblower-attorney-worked-directly-for-james-clapper/

So the former Intelligence Community IG under Obama in 2016, Charles McCullough, has admitted he assisted in the preparation of the whistleblower complaint. This is the IC IG chap in place during the initial Spygate operation through 2016, not to mention the Clinton email scandal, and who had a very close working relationship with former DNI James Clapper. Gee, who would've guessed...

Interesting 2 minute audio/video on the US Ukrainian Ambassador, Marie Yovanovitch.

I occasionally see some of these comments from McCabe, and others involved in this investigation, and realize that one of two things has happened. 1. So many of the comments are because these folks can't think of anything else to say, and regurgitate the staggering statements, or 2. 90% of DC are colllectivist Dems, and run with the same cognescenti so often, they don't realize there's an additional world out there in America that has different ideas and thoughts.

About once a week, I see these types of comments from these folks. To think they're coming out of the supposed best investigators, in supposedly the best police force in the world is pathetic, and scary.

fasthorses05 said:

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I occasionally see some of these comments from McCabe, and others involved in this investigation, and realize that one of two things has happened. 1. So many of the comments are because these folks can't think of anything else to say, and regurgitate the staggering statements, or 2. 90% of DC are colllectivist Dems, and run with the same cognescenti so often, they don't realize there's an additional world out there in America that has different ideas and thoughts.

About once a week, I see these types of comments from these folks. To think they're coming out of the supposed best investigators, in supposedly the best police force in the world is pathetic, and scary.

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This

Possible preview of Sondland's testimony next week (WaPo so take with a grain of salt):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-envoy-who-denied-quid-pro-quo-now-says-he-isnt-certain/2019/10/12/4abe0902-bc19-44e8-8c38-9aa35c544859_story.html

What you wrote in your hyperlink will be how its reported. But when you read the article it's pretty clear. Trump was simply expressing to his envoy that he did not want anything from Ukraine. As far as I can tell he is not testifying that Trump told him to say that. Defending yourself against a false accusation in not the same as forcing someone to say something untrue.

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What you wrote in your hyperlink will be how its reported. But when you read the article it's pretty clear. Trump was simply expressing to his envoy that he did not want anything from Ukraine. As far as I can tell he is not testifying that Trump told him to say that. Defending yourself against a false accusation in not the same as forcing someone to say something untrue.

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Agree. I'm actually going to edit the hyperlink text to avoid contributing to the narrative.

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What you wrote in your hyperlink will be how its reported. But when you read the article it's pretty clear. Trump was simply expressing to his envoy that he did not want anything from Ukraine. As far as I can tell he is not testifying that Trump told him to say that. Defending yourself against a false accusation in not the same as forcing someone to say something untrue.

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That is exactly how the media will report it, which is why they dumped this Saturday night, in time for the Sunday shows to melt down.

The Twitter army is already declaring this is it, this will be the thing that brings down Trump.

Can someone elaborate on the Italy angle? Lots of evidence pulling together and a lot of it seems to stem from Urkraine and Italy. How does Italy fit into this?

Interesting from Powell.

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The violations that Boasberg is identifying (March 2017 through March 2018) must also include FISA database searches conducted by Mueller's FBI team. It is all within the same system of electronic surveillance. The pattern, frequency and specifics of the Boasberg report are identical to the 2017 Rosemary Collyer report. Same violations. Same processes.

Against what we see more visible every day; and thinking about how corrupt we already know the Mueller investigation to be; now consider that without going to federal courts to gain legal authority, warrants, taps etc. using the database Mueller's team could continue to exploit the FISA(702) process.

They could gather material for their criminal cases through the NSA database and then transfer those results to their spun off prosecutions.

That's why the Steele Dossier was so important. The Dossier formed the basis to continue making the Mueller investigation a counterintelligence operation, Title-I. Without the Dossier creating the foreign construct, Mueller's team would have had to follow Title-III.

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I've lost track of how many times I have been screaming about the differences between counter-intel and criminal investigations. And when prosecutors are constantly allowed to form their own hybrids, using counter-intel sources and methods (confidential human sources, push-pull entrapments and unlimited warrantless electronic surveillance) to manufacture criminal cases*, the Constitution is shredded.

Team Mueller (and the FBI before him) were Lavrenti Beria on electronic steroids. Pity that Team Mueller saw Beria as a how-to and not as a cautionary tale as Beria's fate was execution in 1953.

*In the absence of real espionage and/or terrorism.

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I have a question about the whistleblowers. Why is the whole Republican side and especially the President not hammering that the whistleblower is not an ACTUAL whistleblower? The President is outside the whistleblower statute. So in reality this is just a... LEAKER with no protections.

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Could be an interesting week.

Is this DOJ IG report the one that Durham is working on? Does anyone really believe it will be released this week? We've been hearing it's close for months now.

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Is this DOJ IG report the one that Durham is working on? Does anyone really believe it will be released this week? We've been hearing it's close for months now.

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No, Durham's report is something else, but there will be obvious overlap.

That said, nothing is going to come from the IG report except a bunch of "resisters" will gain liberal street cred.

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Is this DOJ IG report the one that Durham is working on? Does anyone really believe it will be released this week? We've been hearing it's close for months now.

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A couple of weeks ago there was chatter it would be in about 2 weeks. Now we are hearing this week.

It might not come out this week, nobody really knows.

But people have been talking about it not causing a slew of arrests or anything, but setting the stage for the Durham investigation. But there has been talk of there being a few referrals for the DOJ for prosecution.

Guess we will have to wait and see.

FWIW, according to Bartiromo, it will be Friday the 18th. Just make sure you know I'm referring to the IG (horowitz) report.

I'm sure it will be pretty damning, but so was the first part of it (Comey). IMO, IG reports are normally extremely boring and anti-climatic, but that one was astounding, once I adherred to the 24 hour rule. Prior to that, I was pissed.

Yes. Talking about the IG Report on FISA abuse.

If you read the comments under the bottom tweet, you will find out the Alexander Downer resides in Adelaide where Mifsud attended the conference...just a coincidence, yeah. No proof yet that Comey was in Adelaide, but Comey being in Australia at the same time is very suspicious.

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The violations that Boasberg is identifying (March 2017 through March 2018) must also include FISA database searches conducted by Mueller's FBI team. It is all within the same system of electronic surveillance. The pattern, frequency and specifics of the Boasberg report are identical to the 2017 Rosemary Collyer report. Same violations. Same processes.

Against what we see more visible every day; and thinking about how corrupt we already know the Mueller investigation to be; now consider that without going to federal courts to gain legal authority, warrants, taps etc. using the database Mueller's team could continue to exploit the FISA(702) process.

They could gather material for their criminal cases through the NSA database and then transfer those results to their spun off prosecutions.

That's why the Steele Dossier was so important. The Dossier formed the basis to continue making the Mueller investigation a counterintelligence operation, Title-I. Without the Dossier creating the foreign construct, Mueller's team would have had to follow Title-III.

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I've lost track of how many times I have been screaming about the differences between counter-intel and criminal investigations. And when prosecutors are constantly allowed to form their own hybrids, using counter-intel sources and methods (confidential human sources, push-pull entrapments and unlimited warrantless electronic surveillance) to manufacture criminal cases*, the Constitution is shredded.

Team Mueller (and the FBI before him) were Lavrenti Beria on electronic steroids. Pity that Team Mueller saw Beria as a how-to and not as a cautionary tale as Beria's fate was execution in 1953.

*In the absence of real espionage and/or terrorism.

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Yes, all of this, both of you are right. The other amazing thing is that even with all of both the greatest 21st century state surveillance powers, and corrupt intent the Stasi couldn't even have dreamt about, they found nothing on Team Trump, in truth. They were reduced to baiting him toward 'obstruction' for a year, and then opining about how they couldn't absolve him.

Weissman really deserves a trial for treason, as does Rosenstein, in a fair world.

Our TWO Tier Justice System will not allow it !

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/were-in-a-permanent-coup

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.....This latest incident, set against the impeachment mania and the reportedly "expanding" Russiagate investigation of U.S. Attorney John Durham, accelerates our timeline to chaos. We are speeding toward a situation when someone in one of these camps refuses to obey a major decree, arrest order, or court decision, at which point Americans will get to experience the joys of their political futures being decided by phone calls to generals and police chiefs.

My discomfort in the last few years, first with Russiagate and now with Ukrainegate and impeachment, stems from the belief that the people pushing hardest for Trump's early removal are more dangerous than Trump. Many Americans don't see this because they're not used to waking up in a country where you're not sure who the president will be by nightfall. They don't understand that this predicament is worse than having a bad president.

The Trump presidency is the first to reveal a full-blown schism between the intelligence community and the White House. Senior figures in the CIA, NSA, FBI and other agencies made an open break from their would-be boss before Trump's inauguration, commencing a public war of leaks that has not stopped......

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Fascinating read. We may very well be close to becoming a Third World (Banana Republic) country.

Wow! Crinum, I didn't think I'd ever hear someone like you say that. I try to be somewhat measured when all about us are loosing their heads, but rarey accomplish the achievement.

Don't misunderstand me, I agree with the article 100%, and I used to be really pessimistic, but have come around to waiting for the process to unfold. I'm still not sold on Barr/Durham, but they're all we've got. I can't see how Barr/Durham aren't investigating the letters the Dems wrote to the Ukraninians, or the Clinton slushfund, or all the way back to Obama's gun running to Mexico.

That's kind of like Mouth, or Norman, or even Hawg, being pessimistic.

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I have my moments of utter despair, I assure you. I'm not having a good day today with this Schiff4Brains nonsense.

Well, the IG report is supposedly coming out Friday, & where will I be on Friday??? In California for a wedding, the last place in the world I would ever want to visit. Actually I am going to be the best man, so I really shouldn't complain -- I've never been a best man before, so it is a real honor for someone my age.

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Actually I am going to be the best man, so I really shouldn't complain -- I've never been a best man before, so it is a real honor for someone my age.

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Congrats! I don't get the bridesmaid gig much anymore either but I was rocking it in the 90s. Don't miss it but happy to have those experiences back then. (Still have a closet full of ugly dresses.)

At least I hope the venue takes advantage of the gorgeous landscape of California.

Pechanga Resort Casino in the Temecula Valley. Never been in that immediate area before.

Isn't there a sub-ebay website someplace to get rid of those damned things?