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Apple always releases iCloud information when a warrant is provided, however they will not attempt to crack an iPhone passphrase.

William Inblack said:

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Apple always releases iCloud information when a warrant is provided, however they will not attempt to crack an iPhone passphrase.

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But they send notification to their customer? A NSL is NOT a warrant, BTW.

It is clearly spelled out here https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests/ they are trying to equate to things that are not the same.

Thanks.

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U.S. National Security Orders demand that Apple provide information in response to U.S. National Security legal authorities. They are not counted as Device Requests or Account Requests. In the second half of 2016, Apple received between 5,750 and 5,999 National Security Orders. Apple reports National Security Orders to the extent allowed by law. Though we would like to be more specific, by law this is the most precise information we are currently allowed to disclose.

In addition, if Apple receives a National Security Letter (NSL) from the U.S. government that contains an indefinite gag order, Apple will notify the government that it would like the court to review the nondisclosure provision of the NSL pursuant to USA FREEDOM. The government then has 30 days to let the court know why the nondisclosure should remain in effect or can let Apple know that the nondisclosure no longer applies. If Apple receives notice that the nondisclosure no longer applies, it will notify the affected customer(s) pursuant to Apple's customer notice policies.

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Good to know.

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In the second half of 2016, Apple received between 5,750 and 5,999 National Security Orders. Apple reports National Security Orders to the extent allowed by law. Though we would like to be more specific, by law this is the most precise information we are currently allowed to disclose.

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Would love to know if that number is ordinary or abnormally high, though.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/20/papadopoulos-foreign-payment/

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• Special Counsel Robert Mueller revealed that George Papadopoulos received a $10,000 cash payment from a man that the former Trump aide believed was a spy.
• An Israeli American businessman named Charles Tawil allegedly made the payment to Papadopoulos.
• The pair were in contact last year about an energy consulting agreement. Papadopoulos said he turned the money over to his attorney...

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This smells of a payoff IMO. Read the article for more details.
For a little know, inexperienced kid, Papadopoulos certainly had a knack for running into high rollers: Mifsud,
Downer, Millian, Halper and this new chap Charles Tawil.

There must have been a memo that went out about how stupid Papadop was and how easily manipulated. And the distribution was wide but for unexplained reasons didn't include either the Carson or Trump campaigns.

This raises a question. How much vetting will future candidates feel they must conduct on campaign employees including volunteers? The standard has now been set. The weaponized autists will scour everyone on the Dems and GOP campaign staffs at national and state level.

I'd wager the overall # of felonies on their individual rap sheets for volunteers will be higher for the Dem candidates.

Hmmm...Another possible angle concerning Papadopoulos. An attempt to set him up for a fall. Now who would do something like that? Another Trump Tower escapade perhaps... via Fusion GPS?

Hung jury perhaps?

I'd be surprised if they are hung on everything but you never know. One juror can go rogue and destroy the best laid plans of mice and men.

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The scary part about that change to 12333 is that the NSA apparently has few effective procedures to track who was accessing what and when.

The only way to get the public on board with reforming FISA and associated SOPs is for Trump to declassify all FISA warrants on American citizens from 2012 through 2017. If, as you and I have long speculated, there were FISA warrants on Manafort, Cohen, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Papadopoulus and others and those warrants were used to build criminal cases against them, even the ACLU will blanch. I also wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see the names of a few Congress Critters, Senators and members of the press. Then the press will have a dilemma.

And as an added bonus, every idiot that has supported Brennan by signing that letter will not only have egg on their faces but many of them would be implicated by participating in such illegality.

To those who would wail and gnash their teeth that anti-terrorism and law enforcement would suffer if FISA was restricted in any way, I would say if we abandon our Constitutional rights in the name of security, we deserve neither. (With apologies to Benjamin Franklin.)

Disclaimer: After 9/11, I supported the Patriot Act. I no longer do so and am ashamed at my short sightedness for the potential abuses.

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I hated it for that one reason. Honestly, I had no problem with it as long as an R held the presidents chair, as it's unlikely an R is going to abuse it, but not impossible. However,since life, and politics, change, I was in fear this exact thing would happen. It's the same thing with nearly every law passed by Congress, there's always an unrealized action that happens.

Since the Dems know their base, even the ones here on Texags, will overlook ANY speech, or behavior, the entire Obama administration knew they could get away with it. Very sad.

Agree. A split verdict is most likely at this point. He gets nailed for some tax evasion and a count or two on failing to disclose foreign accounts when he owned over 50% of the companies. I bet he skates on the bank fraud and conspiracy charges however.

Well, it is Judge Ellis and sentencing guidelines aren't the same as mandatory sentences...so you never know.

Doesn't matter how many stick because the MSM will be trumpeting his guilt as a Trump confidante.

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The scary part about that change to 12333 is that the NSA apparently has few effective procedures to track who was accessing what and when.

The only way to get the public on board with reforming FISA and associated SOPs is for Trump to declassify all FISA warrants on American citizens from 2012 through 2017. If, as you and I have long speculated, there were FISA warrants on Manafort, Cohen, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Papadopoulus and others and those warrants were used to build criminal cases against them, even the ACLU will blanch. I also wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see the names of a few Congress Critters, Senators and members of the press. Then the press will have a dilemma.

And as an added bonus, every idiot that has supported Brennan by signing that letter will not only have egg on their faces but many of them would be implicated by participating in such illegality.

To those who would wail and gnash their teeth that anti-terrorism and law enforcement would suffer if FISA was restricted in any way, I would say if we abandon our Constitutional rights in the name of security, we deserve neither. (With apologies to Benjamin Franklin.)

Disclaimer: After 9/11, I supported the Patriot Act. I no longer do so and am ashamed at my short sightedness for the potential abuses.

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The fact that Trump reversed that change on day one leads me to think that they will be pushing in that direction maybe, the fact that he didn't pushed back none when they renewed 702, is disheartening. It was early on in this investigation, and that was why they were in such a rush to push that through on both sides of the aisle, only Rand Paul and Ron Wyden stood their ground.

It's the FISA title 1 and 3 that is the real nefarious monster. The ability to turn that weapon on a US citizen with ZERO oversight is the real culprit and needs to be reigned in if not done away with. Secret spying on foreigners I have zero problem with, but the FISA I & III is a real issue. The ability to unmasked US citizens in the 702 grab needs to be narrowed down to Director and Assistant Director levels. People like Samantha Powers having the ability to unmask 400 people in a year is insanity. When they asked Comey in the 702 hearing how many people at the FBI had the ability to unmask and he drew a blank and couldn't even give a ballpark figure is BS. And I guarantee you it's like that in every agency. They have got to reign that in.

Like you said it is going to take a huge public exposure to all the dirty FISA warrants, to turn up the heat enough for them to feel it. It's up again in 2024, hopefully by the Trump is still there and be clear of all this Russia Mueller nonsense and he will demand a change.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/20/papers-saying-papadopoulos-lied-fbi-fbi-shows-either-also-lying-incompetent/

Good read. Mueller et al appears to be trying to pull the wool over the judge's eyes.

Eh. Trump pardons him by Friday, cites some similar case that O got his own out for. Maybe Manning.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/20/bingo-russian-escort-says-she-gave-recordings-of-deripaska-discussing-2016-election-back-to-deripaska/

This is worth reading, especially if you don't know what a 'Red Sparrow' is. Methinks Deripaska just might have some blackmail material against a few US politicians (McCain for one; remember his 70th Birthday Party?)...maybe even McCabe.

Yeah that sentencing recommendation filing by Mueller was FOS. And easily provable as such. Which raises the question why they did it?

Well it appears the account is legit, the wife was on Hannity and acknowledged it was.

And she even wished him a Happy Birthday yesterday

So now this tweet takes on a different light

Trump's troll level has just reached Grand Master of the highest order

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Hmmm...Another possible angle concerning Papadopoulos. An attempt to set him up for a fall. Now who would do something like that? Another Trump Tower escapade perhaps... via Fusion GPS?

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Edited for incorrect information. Thanks, drcrinum for the assist.

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Since initially posting the set-up for the July, 2017, FBI sting operation against George Papadopoulos a few more important research details have surfaced. Charles Tawil, the guy who reached out to Papadopoulos in Greece; and who ultimately gave Papadopoulos $10,000 in cash; was a previous intelligence asset of the CIA and FBI. SEE WIKILEAKS Cables (circa 2006): Paragraph #8, note:

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"These undisclosed sources told Zuma that American citizens (not connected with the U.S. Government) were involved. This in part, coincides with another Embassy contact, Charles Tawil (protect), who told our Economic Counselor on November 29 that Zuma had received information from the mother of the King of Swaziland about CIA attempts to kill Zuma using poisoned clothes from the FBI" (link)

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That's apparently the wrong Charles Tawil in that Zuma article.

TOTALLY frustrated! If ANY of the accusations against the Deep State are true (?)...why haven't any charges been brought upon the multitude of 'bad actors'??

Instead, the ONLY charges/investigations to date are against Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadopolus, Cohen!

Sorry...but I don't sense justice is being served and my faith in the system has fallen into the negative range.
Something in obviously wrong. It's becoming apparent 'corruption' rules and there is NOTHING the rest of us can do about it. SAD!

Any word from the jury in the Manafort trial?

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/fusion-gps-spy-natalia-veselnitskaya-worked-out-of-obama-officials-office/

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The Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya who set up Don Trump Jr. for a meeting in Trump Tower as part of a Fusion GPS plot was operating out of the Washington offices of Cozen O'Connor, a law firm run by an anti-Trump former Obama administration official whose super PAC donated to Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush in the 2016 presidential election.

Veselnitskaya's work from the Cozen O'Connor office provides more evidence of a Democrat and establishment Republican effort to set up the Trump campaign for a future Russian collusion case. Veselnitskaya was allowed into the United States by the Obama Department of Justice while the former Obama official who runs Cozen O'Connor publicly warned then-candidate Trump that if he became president he would be investigated by the DOJ for contacts with foreign leaders. Veselnitskaya reportedly had dinner meetings with Fusion GPS chief Glenn Simpson the day before she met in Trump Tower and also the day after she went inside Trump Tower.

Big League Politics has confirmed that a Cozen O'Connor partner who lives in the same apartment building as James Comey's friend Daniel Richman who leaked classified information to the press on Comey's behalf spoke with Richman during the period that Comey and the Fusion GPS team were trying to obtain FISA warrants on Trump Tower....

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Thanks. I'll delete that post then.

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Any word from the jury in the Manafort trial?

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Yesterday they gave a sheaf of papers to the Judge but it was their lunch orders for today. LOL.

They are back in deliberations now.

At this point, I'm at a total loss. I would have guessed hold-out (one way or another) and they would have come back hung. But it doesn't sound like they've told the judge they are at an impasse or deliberations have stalled. It seems more like they're looking at the record in real detail to try and get it right. Maybe guilty on the tax charges?

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https://bigleaguepolitics.com/fusion-gps-spy-natalia-veselnitskaya-worked-out-of-obama-officials-office/

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The Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya who set up Don Trump Jr. for a meeting in Trump Tower as part of a Fusion GPS plot was operating out of the Washington offices of Cozen O'Connor, a law firm run by an anti-Trump former Obama administration official whose super PAC donated to Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush in the 2016 presidential election.

Veselnitskaya's work from the Cozen O'Connor office provides more evidence of a Democrat and establishment Republican effort to set up the Trump campaign for a future Russian collusion case. Veselnitskaya was allowed into the United States by the Obama Department of Justice while the former Obama official who runs Cozen O'Connor publicly warned then-candidate Trump that if he became president he would be investigated by the DOJ for contacts with foreign leaders. Veselnitskaya reportedly had dinner meetings with Fusion GPS chief Glenn Simpson the day before she met in Trump Tower and also the day after she went inside Trump Tower.

Big League Politics has confirmed that a Cozen O'Connor partner who lives in the same apartment building as James Comey's friend Daniel Richman who leaked classified information to the press on Comey's behalf spoke with Richman during the period that Comey and the Fusion GPS team were trying to obtain FISA warrants on Trump Tower....

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I thought this was known and confirmed a while back.

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At this point, I'm at a total loss. I would have guessed hold-out (one way or another) and they would have come back hung. But it doesn't sound like they've told the judge they are at an impasse or deliberations have stalled. It seems more like they're looking at the record in real detail to try and get it right. Maybe guilty on the tax charges?

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Well from the descriptions of the jurors when they filed back into the courtroom last evening they apparently avoided eye contact with either the prosecution or the defense. Many of them appeared tired and deflated, was the description of their demeanor.

The fact that they ordered lunch for today tells me they were not anticipating wrapping up within a few hours this morning. Still a lot of work remaining. And remember they were not given a road map nor index to the mass of documents in the room with them. So I would expect that is adding to the frustration.

You and I know that when jurors take notes during testimony then take those notes back into the jury room there will inevitably be discrepancies between different juror's perceptions. Finding a document or the precise page in a transcript to support their notes takes time. Without an index? Needle in a hay stack time.

If they are truly hung, I would expect they would tell the judge either Thursday or Friday. They were at about 22 hours of deliberation going into today. Including today, Wednesday, Thursday at about 7 hours per day, that will double their deliberation time. Will Ellis order them to go back and try again? Order them to work over the weekend if that happens?

The longer this goes, the more hand-wringing I see from the leftists. They clearly believe this was a slam-dunk and the only thing keeping Manafort out of jail is some Trumpster on the jury.

I haven't followed closely enough to have an opinion. I did find the defense strategy of not calling a single witness interesting. Is there no defense or did the prosecution fail in its task?