Nunes on Bruce Ohr and the need to declassify documents. He thinks Trump has no choice in the matter and must require the documents be declassified.

Perkins, Coie is a large firm. Expect lower level associates to be sending out resumes if the firm is going down. There will also be more partner resignations and "retirements."

aggiehawg said:

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Perkins, Coie is a large firm. Expect lower level associates to be sending out resumes if the firm is going down. There will also be more partner resignations and "retirements."

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Seriously! I thought they'd be very insulated. Hell, we can't even get our own DOJ/FBI to give us docs that belong to the government, why on earth woud we be able to find culpable information on an attorney from that firm, not to mention a Dem firm?

Don't misunderstand me, I'd be thrilled, but unless we have a "collusion" form of Deep Throat, I only see about 50% of these conspirators doing decent time.

I'll be shocked if 50% do decent time. I'm just hoping everyone and everything is exposed. Jail time for the perps will be a bonus to me.

50%?

I bet less than 3 people do time

5% is a stretch

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/12/the-media-are-hiding-their-knowledge-and-duplicity-buzzfeed-wapo-and-new-york-times-had-unredacted-fisa-application-for-over-a-year/

Good read.

https://www.wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/12/1210665_obama-leak-investigations-internal-use-only-pls-do-not.html

Uhhmm, Stratfor?

As much cred as InfoWars in my book. Sorry.

First of all, what the hell is Friedman doing involved in US affairs. To me, Stratfor has always been involved in worldwide issues. Nearly everything I've learned about the cartels in Mexico, I learned from Stratfor, They're awesome.

I don't doubt that information is false, I'm just wondering where he's getting it.

Secondly, and I was going to respond to some responses to my earlier post of prosecution percentages. I don't doubt y'all are correct, but my response is why are we even proceeding on any of these investigations if we only believe that maybe 5% of the folks involved will be indicted?

I understand statutes of limitations, etc., but it will do no good to investigate, if the truth comes out, and no one is held accountable? Y'all know how that works, the 20% of the Dems resposible will only be emboldened, and contnue their shenanigans.

Let's just call off Uranium 1, the DOJ/FBI, and Clinton Cash machine (Foundation). I'm serious, it only keeps me on this thread, allows other conservatives to believe the truth will come out, and keeps the good guys chasing rainbows!

Sorry Hawg, just read your reply. They may suck, I don't know. I always assumed they were pretty good, but I certainly don't have a "Home Advisor" list to rate them, and havent read one. Appreciate an update.

I have concerns about what they publish. For all I know, it could be disinformation for their own purpose which may be nefarious or may not.

They are like Q to me. Not always decipherable as to message nor intent.

Does that make sense to you? Why I am skeptical and cautious? To me, Stratfor is the flip side of the Atlantic Council. Zeal for an agenda takes precedence over all. Could be wrong but The Hubs has been following them for years yet I remain unconvinced.

Cool! Thanks.

I always thought Friedman was a little odd personally, but I never knew if his information was accurate. I assume a great many read their insights, and information. I've often wondered where, and how, they get their information.

OTOH, if information turns up from the worlds greatest liar, and it supports the good guys, I'm fine, as long as it is eventually corroborated!

fasthorses05 said:

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Cool! Thanks.

I always thought Friedman was a little odd personally, but I never knew if his information was accurate. I assume a great many read their insights, and information. I've often wondered where, and how, they get their information.

OTOH, if information turns up from the worlds greatest liar, and it supports the good guys, I'm fine, as long as it is eventually corroborated!

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Well said. Just not a rabbit hole I'm willing to go down absent events that may warrant much more exploration. Much like the Q thread. I read, ask a question here or there but don't follow the tangents presented.

I am fully prepared to be proven totally wrong in either event. I have never minded saying, "Ooops! I was wrong."







Some poster will be along shortly to say, "You never admitted you were wrong to ME!" Hint: Username starts with an "e" or an "M".

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First of all, what the hell is Friedman doing involved in US affairs. To me, Stratfor has always been involved in worldwide issues. Nearly everything I've learned about the cartels in Mexico, I learned from Stratfor, They're awesome.

I don't doubt that information is false, I'm just wondering where he's getting it.

Secondly, and I was going to respond to some responses to my earlier post of prosecution percentages. I don't doubt y'all are correct, but my response is why are we even proceeding on any of these investigations if we only believe that maybe 5% of the folks involved will be indicted?

I understand statutes of limitations, etc., but it will do no good to investigate, if the truth comes out, and no one is held accountable? Y'all know how that works, the 20% of the Dems resposible will only be emboldened, and contnue their shenanigans.

Let's just call off Uranium 1, the DOJ/FBI, and Clinton Cash machine (Foundation). I'm serious, it only keeps me on this thread, allows other conservatives to believe the truth will come out, and keeps the good guys chasing rainbows!

Sorry Hawg, just read your reply. They may suck, I don't know. I always assumed they were pretty good, but I certainly don't have a "Home Advisor" list to rate them, and havent read one. Appreciate an update.

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5% doing time in Prison is a big difference than being indicted. There will be a stack of indictments, and a lot of convictions, possibly reduced charges for cooperation deals, probations, etc. Just as BMX said very few, likely able to count them on one hard doing hard time.

I said it 400 pages ago and I'll say it again. If ANYONE thinks that Barry or Hillary are going to prison or even see a courtroom get ready to be disappointed. Politically ruined and financially drained is the best victory you could ever expect from all this.

Two things. The Swamp is going to prevail in the long run. Let me qualify that word prevail. In order to drain the swamp for real, you would have to destroy the swamp and everything in it. Destroy the DOJ, get rid pf all the long term career politicians, set term limits, dismantle and restructure the IC. Put true oversight on them and dissolve the FISC. That's never going to happen!

Best you can hope for is heavy turnover at the top departmental levels of each agency. But they will never allow 100% transparency in this fubar. It would literally destroy the government as a whole. There will be some sacrificial lambs, there will be a handful of serious convictions. I think more private contractors will be destroyed more than anything. And you be rest assured that the leaders of these entities, all have insurance policies, that will keep them out of spending the rest of their lives in prison. They have copies of files that can never see the light of day, and they will use them to lesson the blow they are dealt.

Term limits is a pipe dream, unless an organized class action can somehow be put together by the people, the taxpayers, that will stand up in court all the way to the SCOTUS, if that is at all possible. There is no way you can every get the congress to hamstring themselves into term limits. Too much financial profitability in it for them to walk away voluntarily. It would take a constitutional amendment and they will never go along with that. Crack down on lobbying, it's the root of 90% of the evil in DC. Follow the money.

If Brennan, Clapper and Comey wind up in jail, I'll call that a huge victory. there may be a few additional underlings as well, that's a bonus. Get the Clinton's, the Obama's and the Bush's out of politics, another victory. Forfeit their lifetime benefits, that would be a huge victory, but even that is a reach. There are limits to expectations, if you're looking at this from a realistic standpoint.

SIAP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-agent-peter-strzok-fired-over-anti-trump-texts/2018/08/13/be98f84c-8e8b-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html?utm_term=.71f28d594ea9

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The FBI has fired Agent Peter Strzok, who helped lead the bureau's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election until officials discovered he had been sending anti-Trump texts.

Aitan Goelman, Strzok's lawyer, said FBI Deputy Director David L. Bowdich ordered the firing on Friday even though the director of the FBI office that normally handles employee discipline had decided Strzok should face only a demotion and 60-day suspension. Goelman said the move undercuts the FBI's repeated assurances that Strzok would be afforded the normal disciplinary process.

"This isn't the normal process in any way more than name," Goelman said.

The FBI declined to comment.

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Prognightmare said:

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SIAP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-agent-peter-strzok-fired-over-anti-trump-texts/2018/08/13/be98f84c-8e8b-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html?utm_term=.71f28d594ea9

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The FBI has fired Agent Peter Strzok, who helped lead the bureau's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election until officials discovered he had been sending anti-Trump texts.

Aitan Goelman, Strzok's lawyer, said FBI Deputy Director David L. Bowdich ordered the firing on Friday even though the director of the FBI office that normally handles employee discipline had decided Strzok should face only a demotion and 60-day suspension. Goelman said the move undercuts the FBI's repeated assurances that Strzok would be afforded the normal disciplinary process.

"This isn't the normal process in any way more than name," Goelman said.

The FBI declined to comment.

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Normal process? It's been a year since he was booted to HR. How much more "process" did he expect?

Also, Paging Michael Flynn's lawyers!!!!

Thanks, Roscoe.

I really wasn't being cynical. While I'd be living in fantasy land to believe all involved would be punished with jail time, I was stunned several believed only 5% would serve jail time, and got a little frustrated. It very much conflicts with my sense of the truth coming out.

I don't believe anyone whose been named will serve jail time for spying on Trump. If you think you will find a jury without a never Trumper within 50 miles of DC you are fooling yourself. The swamp is not just those that actively work in the swamp, it is the sheep that follow.

Good reason why Flynn's sentencing keeps being delayed. What is going to unravel next? Lisa Page's testimony may have started the ball rolling.

It doesn't sound like Strzok has agreed to cooperate or to seek some form of immunity deal.

RoscoePColtrane said:

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fasthorses05 said:

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First of all, what the hell is Friedman doing involved in US affairs. To me, Stratfor has always been involved in worldwide issues. Nearly everything I've learned about the cartels in Mexico, I learned from Stratfor, They're awesome.

I don't doubt that information is false, I'm just wondering where he's getting it.

Secondly, and I was going to respond to some responses to my earlier post of prosecution percentages. I don't doubt y'all are correct, but my response is why are we even proceeding on any of these investigations if we only believe that maybe 5% of the folks involved will be indicted?

I understand statutes of limitations, etc., but it will do no good to investigate, if the truth comes out, and no one is held accountable? Y'all know how that works, the 20% of the Dems resposible will only be emboldened, and contnue their shenanigans.

Let's just call off Uranium 1, the DOJ/FBI, and Clinton Cash machine (Foundation). I'm serious, it only keeps me on this thread, allows other conservatives to believe the truth will come out, and keeps the good guys chasing rainbows!

Sorry Hawg, just read your reply. They may suck, I don't know. I always assumed they were pretty good, but I certainly don't have a "Home Advisor" list to rate them, and havent read one. Appreciate an update.

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5% doing time in Prison is a big difference than being indicted. There will be a stack of indictments, and a lot of convictions, possibly reduced charges for cooperation deals, probations, etc. Just as BMX said very few, likely able to count them on one hard doing hard time.

I said it 400 pages ago and I'll say it again. If ANYONE thinks that Barry or Hillary are going to prison or even see a courtroom get ready to be disappointed. Politically ruined and financially drained is the best victory you could ever expect from all this.

Two things. The Swamp is going to prevail in the long run. Let me qualify that word prevail. In order to drain the swamp for real, you would have to destroy the swamp and everything in it. Destroy the DOJ, get rid pf all the long term career politicians, set term limits, dismantle and restructure the IC. Put true oversight on them and dissolve the FISC. That's never going to happen!

Best you can hope for is heavy turnover at the top departmental levels of each agency. But they will never allow 100% transparency in this fubar. It would literally destroy the government as a whole. There will be some sacrificial lambs, there will be a handful of serious convictions. I think more private contractors will be destroyed more than anything. And you be rest assured that the leaders of these entities, all have insurance policies, that will keep them out of spending the rest of their lives in prison. They have copies of files that can never see the light of day, and they will use them to lesson the blow they are dealt.

Term limits is a pipe dream, unless an organized class action can somehow be put together by the people, the taxpayers, that will stand up in court all the way to the SCOTUS, if that is at all possible. There is no way you can every get the congress to hamstring themselves into term limits. Too much financial profitability in it for them to walk away voluntarily. It would take a constitutional amendment and they will never go along with that. Crack down on lobbying, it's the root of 90% of the evil in DC. Follow the money.

If Brennan, Clapper and Comey wind up in jail, I'll call that a huge victory. there may be a few additional underlings as well, that's a bonus. Get the Clinton's, the Obama's and the Bush's out of politics, another victory. Forfeit their lifetime benefits, that would be a huge victory, but even that is a reach. There are limits to expectations, if you're looking at this from a realistic standpoint.

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I would hope that in addition to the above..."moderate" democrats have an epiphany, meaning they at least give more thought to who they will support going forward, i.e., "best candidate" rather than just party affiliation.

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Good reason why Flynn's sentencing keeps being delayed. What is going to unravel next?

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Have no idea but I really don't think he was fired over the text messages alone. The messages contained references to altering 302s. Could be key in the Flynn case, since he was one of two agents who ambushed Flynn.

I posted an article by Andy McCarthy a few days back about perjury traps. He was particularly critical of how Michael Flynn was treated since the FBI had tapes of the conversations with Kislyak and knew exactly what was and what wasn't said. If Flynn had committed a crime, they already had the evidence and interviewing him telling him he was the focus of a criminal probe was questionable at best.

When it came down to it, they pulled the Logan Act out of a dusty book and used that as a pretext for entrapment. And by "they" I mean Strzok, McCabe, Comey and Yates.

drcrinum said:

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It doesn't sound like Strzok has agreed to cooperate or to seek some form of immunity deal.

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Immunity deal wouldn't include his continued employment with the FBI.

Prognightmare said:

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SIAP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-agent-peter-strzok-fired-over-anti-trump-texts/2018/08/13/be98f84c-8e8b-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html?utm_term=.71f28d594ea9

Quote:

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The FBI has fired Agent Peter Strzok, who helped lead the bureau's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election until officials discovered he had been sending anti-Trump texts.

Aitan Goelman, Strzok's lawyer, said FBI Deputy Director David L. Bowdich ordered the firing on Friday even though the director of the FBI office that normally handles employee discipline had decided Strzok should face only a demotion and 60-day suspension. Goelman said the move undercuts the FBI's repeated assurances that Strzok would be afforded the normal disciplinary process.

"This isn't the normal process in any way more than name," Goelman said.

The FBI declined to comment.

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Mr Strzok's lawyer Aitan Goelman said in a statement that FBI Deputy Director David Bowdich ordered the firing on Friday.

He said the sacking overruled a decision by the head of FBI employee discipline, who determined that Mr Strzok should only face a demotion and a 60-day suspension.

"The decision to fire Special Agent Strzok is not only a departure from typical Bureau practice, but also contradicts Director [Christopher] Wray's testimony to Congress and his assurances that the FBI intended to follow its regular process in this and all personnel matters," Mr Goelman said in a statement on Monday.

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booo hooo hooo

Would y'all review all of the labor laws and see if there's something about being fired for being a *******, a general *******, and coming from a family of the same?

And the judge is wrong. What's new?

FriscoKid said:

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And the judge is wrong. What's new?

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Probably a a Trump hating Obama leftist judge

FriscoKid said:

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And the judge is wrong. What's new?

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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2967884

Trump appointed the judge.

The hubris is amazing, isn't it?

So is he raising money for a criminal defense or a wrongful termination civil suit?