trharding said:

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I thought allegations has to be proved, not disproved in this country...

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blindey said:

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So you're not another iteration of MF Barnes.

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Whether the impetus came from the White House or Langley, it is clear that Hunt arranged the infiltration of the Goldwater campaign headquarters. "My subordinates volunteered inside, collected advance copies of position papers and other material, and handed them over to CIA personnel," Hunt wrote. Hunt's assets included a secretary on Goldwater's campaign staff who provided advance copies of speeches and press releases. A female CIA employee who worked from the Continental Press offices would pick up the material and deliver it to Cooper.

LBJ wasn't squeamish about using the inside information, and he did so in a blunt fashion that must have made CIA officers cringe. Goldwater campaign staff noticed that the Johnson campaign had the unnerving habit of responding to points in their candidate's speeches before he had delivered them.

Johnson didn't seem to care that his actions made clear to Goldwater that he was being spied on.

One of the most glaring incidents took place on September 9, 1964, after Hunt's operation delivered to Cooper an advance copy of a speech Goldwater was slated to deliver that evening in Seattle. The Republican planned to announce formation of a Task Force on Peace and Freedom headed by former Vice President Richard Nixon that would advise Goldwater on foreign affairs. The idea was to calm fears that Goldwater had insufficient foreign-policy experience and that he would pursue a radical international agenda.

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Johnson swung into action and called a "flash" press conference. While Goldwater was on an airplane and unable to respond, LBJ announced the formation of a task force of his own: a "panel of distinguished citizens who will consult with the president in the coming months on major international problems facing the United States." Johnson's ploy worked perfectly: news of his advisory panel was widely reported, including on the front page of the New York Times, while Goldwater's announcement received little attention.

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whatthehey78 said:

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Your thoughts...:

A. Schiff and C. Schumer seem pretty confident there was nothing "new" in the way of earth shattering revelations from today's meeting, while D. Nunes and K. Gowdy have seemingly been AWOL/totally mum.

What do ya think?

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Lock step with the talking points

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It was okay for Cheryl Mills and Hillary, what's the big deal?

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Lock step with the talking points

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Two idiots unaware where the burden of proof lies

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txwxman said:

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Full of Schiff really botched the Svetlana Ogorodnikov investigation, so not surprising to see him revert to his usual behavior here.

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50 U.S. Code 1802 - Electronic surveillance authorization without court order; certification by Attorney General; reports to Congressional committees; transmittal under seal;...of communication common carrier; applications; jurisdiction of court US Code

(a)
(1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that
(A) the electronic surveillance is solely directed at
(i) the acquisition of the contents of communications transmitted by means of communications used exclusively between or among foreign powers, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title; or
(ii) the acquisition of technical intelligence, other than the spoken communications of individuals, from property or premises under the open and exclusive control of a foreign power, as defined in section 1801(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this title;
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and
(C) the proposed minimization procedures with respect to such surveillance meet the definition of minimization procedures under section 1801(h) of this title; and
if the Attorney General reports such minimization procedures and any changes thereto to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence at least thirty days prior to their effective date, unless the Attorney General determines immediate action is required and notifies the committees immediately of such minimization procedures and the reason for their becoming effective immediately.
(2) An electronic surveillance authorized by this subsection may be conducted only in accordance with the Attorney General's certification and the minimization procedures adopted by him. The Attorney General shall assess compliance with such procedures and shall report such assessments to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence under the provisions of section 1808(a) of this title.
(3) The Attorney General shall immediately transmit under seal to the court established under section 1803(a) of this title a copy of his certification. Such certification shall be maintained under security measures established by the Chief Justice with the concurrence of the Attorney General, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, and shall remain sealed unless
(A) an application for a court order with respect to the surveillance is made under sections 1801(h)(4) and 1804 of this title; or
(B) the certification is necessary to determine the legality of the surveillance under section 1806(f) of this title.
(4) With respect to electronic surveillance authorized by this subsection, the Attorney General may direct a specified communication common carrier to
(A) furnish all information, facilities, or technical assistance necessary to accomplish the electronic surveillance in such a manner as will protect its secrecy and produce a minimum of interference with the services that such carrier is providing its customers; and
(B) maintain under security procedures approved by the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence any records concerning the surveillance or the aid furnished which such carrier wishes to retain.
The Government shall compensate, at the prevailing rate, such carrier for furnishing such aid.
(b) Applications for a court order under this subchapter are authorized if the President has, by written authorization, empowered the Attorney General to approve applications to the court having jurisdiction under section 1803 of this title, and a judge to whom an application is made may, notwithstanding any other law, grant an order, in conformity with section 1805 of this title, approving electronic surveillance of a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power for the purpose of obtaining foreign intelligence information, except that the court shall not have jurisdiction to grant any order approving electronic surveillance directed solely as described in paragraph (1)(A) of subsection (a) unless such surveillance may involve the acquisition of communications of any United States person.

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txwxman said:

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Full of Schiff really botched the Svetlana Ogorodnikov investigation, so not surprising to see him revert to his usual behavior here.

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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Lock step with the talking points

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VaultingChemist said:

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Thread on Obama using 50 1802 with UK intelligence, but Lynch was covering for him:

2. The surveillance may have been conducted by UK intelligence - and then fed back to Obama's IC thugs, for unmasking in the US.
Let me explain.

3. Here's the thing.
An American POTUS can LEGALLY authorize electronic surveillance 'without a court order...to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year'.
Yes, it's true. Obama had legal authorization to by-pass the normal court vetting process.

4. Such power lies in 50 U.S. Code 1802 -
Electronic surveillance authorization without court order;
(link: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1802)
law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50
Please read it.

5. 'Foreign intelligence information' in relation to a 'US person' (eg Team Trump) is information that's necessary for the US to protect against attack, hostile acts, sabotage, terrorism, as well as 'clandestine intel activities' /...

6. /...by a foreign power, or agent of a foreign power (Russia), OR
information relevant to the national defense/ security of the US, or the conduct of the foreign affairs of the US.

7. Now, this authorization by POTUS (eg Obama) requires certification by the AG (eg Lynch - DOJ) that MUST be lodged with 'the court' (eg FISC):

'The (AG)+ shall immediately transmit under seal to the court ...(FISC).. a copy of his certification.'

8. So if my analysis is correct, a copy of that certification is currently under seal AT LEAST with the FISC & DOJ.

THAT'S what they're trying to desperately hide.

9. But that's just the start.

The Act says that the AG has to
keep the Select Committee on Intelligence AND the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence informed of these authorizations AND unmaskings under them.

see 1802 (a) (1) (C), above.

10. If this is what's happened, my bet is that Lynch didn't bother reporting, or selectively reported to the Committees in a way that excluded non-friendlies.

NOW can you see why Schiff, Feinstein, Warner & Co are frightened?

11. Connect dots :

#1 - Obama authorized electronic surveillance on Team Trump, by-passing normal judicial oversight.

12. #2- to create 'foreign intelligence', Brennan and others organized for UK intelligence, to conduct surveillance on Team Trump (either from UK, or from a UK govt asset within the US).

Thats why the Brits were brought in.

13. #3 - Obama's authorization was certified by AG Lynch and is now held under seal by the DOJ (and FISC).

The DOJ are terrified of making this known.

14. #4 - From Obama's authorization, ALL the unmasking followed, as well as the FBI fraudulent counter-intel investigation AND perhaps the FISA warrant, too.

That reels in all the Obama THUGS.

#Obamagate

15. Now, why is this a CRIME?

Obama's authorization was based on MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE (the Fusion GPS Dossier, secretly funded by the Clinton, DNC & Obama).

16. You can be certain - Obama KNEW it was FAKE, when he made the authorization. As did Lynch, when she certified it.

Obama's entire 'inner circle', the 'Secret Society', ALL KNEW.

That's what will come out.

17. They were trying to frame an innocent citizen and destroy a political rival using 'trumped up' evidence (lol).

These were genuine police state tactics. This is the sort of thing that happens in Putin's Russia. Or Mugabe's Zimbabwe.l

18. If true, it takes the US into totally uncharted territory.
It also has grave ramifications for any UK politician or official, who was involved in any way.

19. A POTUS himself, hatching a plan to destroy an American using fake evidence?

I really hope it ISN'T true.

But I suspect it may well be.

And that what's coming is far, FAR worse than any of us may have thought.

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