So Sessions is just as corrupt as Holder and Lynch? Not going there, just yet.

We'll see.

Here's a bizarre thought that just popped into my head. On the subject of the FBI having a source inside the Trump campaign, how about Bannon? Whether wittingly or unwittingly?

Too far out there?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/05/the_asinine_coup.html#.WvclpMM00zM.twitter

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The Asinine Coup

There is a trope in many stories and even popular songs concerning the idea that, inasmuch as a soul is priceless, the devil delights in persuading it to be given up in exchange for something of no value, an exchange which is nothing if not asinine. For instance, in the delightful old BBC production of The Box of Delights, the devilish villain offers an informant, who has the appearance of a rodent but who may once have been a man, moldy old cheese as payment for, well, everything. The trope, albeit not the rat, can also be found in Nobel laureate Bob Dylan's song, "When You Gonna Wake Up."

In order to believe that the Deep State has been acting legitimately in regard to President Donald Trump, in order to believe in the narrative pitched by the legacy media, one would have to willingly exchange if not one's soul then one's capacity to think for...moldy cheese....

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This is a great read. Oh my !

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I read that. Not sure why you expect a different outcome in a Washington based investigation of their own than what has happened for the past 30 years.

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Partly because Holder never allowed acccess to all the evidence in F&F. He isn't in power to do anything to stop this investigation.

2 things. Trump found out. The person is gone.

Makes Watergate look like kindergarten.

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Not ridiculous when you consider people expect heads to roll based on the current investigation. Unless you consider a success a great oig report that goes no further.

You cited that article to support the claim that the current oig is a different kind of cat. That article spent lots of time referring to holder and fast and furious ig investigation. My question is so what? It still died on the vine right afterwards because Washington never does the right thing to their own.

My point is that same result is just as likely now. You can hold out hope, but like gowdy's purported prosecutors brilliance, it never turns into holding anyone liable when it counts.

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I've thought this several times. The OIG report is just that, a report, and likely full of criminal referrals, but like the report, they're just referrals.

I do wonder who the Dems are going to attempt to protect, and who they'll allow to flow down the street to the gutter. They're going to have to fish, or cut bait on a few folks.

Honestly, the members of the Freedom Caucus are the folks who are likely to pursue charges, as the other Republicans would just as soon hand over the government "to their friends"!

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What bugs me about this agent being Stefan Halper is that (a) he's 73 and thus no longer a field agent;(b) his identity and past are widely known and public knowledge; (c) meaning if he was in any real danger, pull him in from the cold; and finally (d) if the Russians wanted him dead he'd be six feet under already.

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Why would the Russians want him dead? I think the Russians would want him alive if he is the original source of this Russian collusion plot. Trace it back to him and the Russians are off the hook.

I have thought on this, Halper is a Bush guy, The Bushes hate Trump, he totally trashed Jeb. Also the Bushes got very cozy with the Clintons. This would be a pure 'bi partisan swamp attack against Trump.

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The person or people who would want Halper dead might be those people who would be at risk of being discovered as to their involvement in the plot.

Follow the tool ...
Yesterday we read about Pappi and Page being tools of Halper. He just dirtied them up to create an appearance (of Russian influence) that then was used in FISA court to spy on Trump by FBI. Halper also used Brennan as a tool to take his information to the FBI to pursue warrant to spy. Comey was Brennan's tool to instigate FISA application to spy.

Anyway, you get my drift ... The question is, who's tool is/was Halper? Follow the tool ...

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Here's to hoping you end up disappointed.

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I'll drink to that. But I would not be disappointed, just shocked.

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Here's to hoping you end up disappointed.

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I'll drink to that. But I would not be disappointed, just shocked.

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Coincidentally, does this timeline corroborate Trump's old tweet about Schneiderman being the next to go down after Spitzer and Weiner?

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Why yes, yes it does!! Which opens up some other interesting items of discussion.

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Here's to hoping you end up disappointed.

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I'll drink to that. But I would not be disappointed, just shocked.

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Good. Glad you're wearing a white hat.

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I was on here fully on board with trump well before the primary. Voted for him. Thought that is what DC and America needed after the last 30 years or so.

I also don't see the DC cleptocracy or the swamp or deep state going away gently into the night. Stakes are too high.

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I've thought this several times. The OIG report is just that, a report, and likely full of criminal referrals, but like the report, they're just referrals.

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Yes, OIG only has criminal referral authority - to a US Attorney Office. For example, the DC Attorney's Office is currently handling McCabe's criminal referral. The Attorney's Office then decides to prosecute, then assigns a prosecutor, that then convenes a GJ, that then decides if to indite.

Almost a month has passed since McCabe's referral - so if/when McCabe is indicted you can set your timer for how long it'll take for likely indictments following forthcoming OIG criminal referrals.

I'm betting there is a sealed indictment with McCane's name already on it along with about 12 others

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I'm betting there is a sealed indictment with McCane's name already on it along with about 12 others

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Hopefully ... but to win that bet means Sessions was doing his job. Hence, my reluctance to be that optimistic.

This isn't in the threadreader thing but it's a good read

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Make no mistake: if 302s were altered and Agent Pientka testifies to that, people are going to jail.

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Will Pientka throw Strzok and McCabe under the bus?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/11/the-insurance-policy-the-ec-the-2016-fbi-counterintel-operation-and-the-mysterious-informant-who-originated-brennans-ec/

The latest from TCTH. Elaborates more upon Halper & repeats a lot of earlier commentary. One thing I don't recall seeing: TCTH is saying that Brennan wrote the EC that the FBI used to initiate the counterintel investigation. I don't understand this because Nunes stated there was no formal intel report accompanying the EC. Someone please check me out on this.

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Make no mistake: if 302s were altered and Agent Pientka testifies to that, people are going to jail.

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Will Pientka throw Strzok and McCabe under the bus?

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We'll see.

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Make no mistake: if 302s were altered and Agent Pientka testifies to that, people are going to jail.

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I assume Grassley already knows the answer to this question.

Perhaps Horowitz and Huber have already had a conversation with him, and informed him of the tsunami that is coming. Many here believe that Strzok is cooperating with Horowitz, or else why would he still have a job?

Since my last comment was a sidebar, I've kind of got another one.

Does anyone else here miss one of the articles, like long Carlson article, and then have no idea what's happening for the next 6-10 posts? I've read everything today, except that detailed article (and will do so tonight), but then wondered for a few minutes what the hell everyone was talking about!

Just a comment.

Incidentally, I've never been quite as optimistic about this whole fiasco as i am today.

Hakluyt & Orbis Business Intelligence are located only a couple of miles from each other.

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/05/11/the-insurance-policy-the-ec-the-2016-fbi-counterintel-operation-and-the-mysterious-informant-who-originated-brennans-ec/

The latest from TCTH. Elaborates more upon Halper & repeats a lot of earlier commentary. One thing I don't recall seeing: TCTH is saying that Brennan wrote the EC that the FBI used to initiate the counterintel investigation. I don't understand this because Nunes stated there was no formal intel report accompanying the EC. Someone please check me out on this.

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This is the same link you put up on page 349 of this thread

Hhmm.



Judge Wood's response to Gleason's Motion for Protective Order regarding his clients (women who were supposedly physically abused by Schneiderman) that might be included in the seized materials from Cohen.

Okay, When Gleason discussed the matter with a journalist who then called Trump who then called Cohen who then called Gleason, it ca be argued that attorney-client privilege was breached. But the lawyer cannot waive the privilege as it belongs to the client.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

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Hhmm.



Judge Wood's response to Gleason's Motion for Protective Order regarding his clients (women who were supposedly physically abused by Schneiderman) that might be included in the seized materials from Cohen.

Okay, When Gleason discussed the matter with a journalist who then called Trump who then called Cohen who then called Gleason, it ca be argued that attorney-client privilege was breached. But the lawyer cannot waive the privilege as it belongs to the client.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

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I assumed the non-lawyer discussions were very non-specific...maybe naming Schneiderman but not the victims. More detail could/would have easily been shared lawyer to lawyer as an extension of privilege.

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I've decided this whole thing is a giant Mexican standoff. Each they number of people caught up in it grows and the players are all so incestuous that they can't even figure out where to point their weapons or who has weapons pointed at them.

In the end it will be the observers - the American people - that get shot, because the scoundrels will realize they have more in common with each other than us and they have all the power.

How any thinking person can look at any of this and believe that more government is the answer to anything is beyond me.

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It's become a disinformation campaign predicated upon the principle of 'information overload', with a sizeable segment being frank 'fake news' or unsubstantiated gossip. Believe me, it's running in high gear (panic mode) at the moment because the 'dark forces' know that the OIG Report is going to be released very soon. They want to turn off critical thinking in the public arena ASAP.

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Yep. Age old tactics. Same as JFK conspiracy...

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This is the same link you put up on page 349 of this thread

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Egad! I must be losing my memory. Information overload.

Yessir.

For the people that are baffled by this and the way it's being played out need to Google "Operation Mockingbird" and read up on it. It's talked about in passing right here in this thread, I know I reference it a lot. It's a real thing, not some Alex Jones side show. It's spook tactics 101.

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Mueller unzipped his fly when he went this route playing redaction games with Rosenstein. Grassy just put their dicks in a vise and is waiting for them to move now.

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I assume Mueller is smart enough to know when and how to play his cards.

Why on earth is he trying to play the redaction game with some of the judges he's in front of? Specifically Ellis? Anyone with a law license that's been in a 100 mile radius of that court house knows this.

This is where i get lost. Mueller isn't stupid. And this is more than a blunder. Ellis is going to put that memo on the docket.

It's a shame mueller is trying to be such a bad ass black hat. Just do your job and use the facts and the truth will come out. Quit looking for somebody's neck to stretch.

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Mueller unzipped his fly when he went this route playing redaction games with Rosenstein. Grassy just put their dicks in a vise and is waiting for them to move now.

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I assume Mueller is smart enough to know when and how to play his cards.

Why on earth is he trying to play the redaction game with some of the judges he's in front of? Specifically Ellis? Anyone with a law license that's been in a 100 mile radius of that court house knows this.

This is where i get lost. Mueller isn't stupid. And this is more than a blunder. Ellis is going to put that memo on the docket.

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Oh believe me I just shake my head. Mueller is supposed to be a top lawyer, and this looks like they are intentionally throwing the game so to speak. Ellis has to be baffled that these seasoned prosecutors are doing this in open court on a case they've been working on for a year.

That's what keeps me looking back thinking Mueller in on it with Trump and they are scuttling their own ship to drown the rats. That meeting with POTUS with Rosenstein, they day before Rosenstein appoints him SC. The WH claimed he was interviewing for the FBI Chief again, and that has to be 100% BS, he had just been Bureau Chief for 12 years, no way he was there for that. That meeting and the timing to his appointment to SC still puzzles me and gives me pause.

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Mueller unzipped his fly when he went this route playing redaction games with Rosenstein. Grassy just put their dicks in a vise and is waiting for them to move now.

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I assume Mueller is smart enough to know when and how to play his cards.

Why on earth is he trying to play the redaction game with some of the judges he's in front of? Specifically Ellis? Anyone with a law license that's been in a 100 mile radius of that court house knows this.

This is where i get lost. Mueller isn't stupid. And this is more than a blunder. Ellis is going to put that memo on the docket.

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I no longer "assume" anything about Mueller, including his competency to practice law. He has made serious missteps since day one, conferring with Comey about his upcoming testimony on the Hill for example. I have a very hard time believing that Mueller would sit back and let Comey admit, nay volunteer to leaking his memos solely to get a Special Counsel Counsel appointed. Throw Lorreta Lynch under the bus and other jaw dropping moments.

If that is the way Mueller preps his witnesses, by getting them to volunteer they are committing crimes while under oath...well, he's an idiot.

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Wonky timeline ... or am I missing something?

So, if the FBI initiated the counterintelligence investigation July 31, 2016 based on an earlier Brennan "EC" referral .... and Stefan Halpert's first known outreach to the Trump campaign was in September 2016 (Papadopoulos) .... how does the <redacted name> in the originating EC fit Stefan Halpert?