Oh they mad:

blindey said:

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HOWEVER....

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Lol.

Anyone that has been in federal court knows when the judge is asking hard questions, they're considering how to rule. When they say things like, "C'mon man!" its time to tuck tail and run.

Mueller just got nuked today. Wonder what the minute entry on the docket will say.

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Don't tell THESE people that:

Is there any record of the legal responses to the judge's questions?

redline248 said:

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Is there any record of the legal responses to the judge's questions?

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Sometimes judges aren't actually asking questions, they are on a rant. You just stay silent until you are sure they want you to respond. Never interrupt a judge mid-rant.

Can anyone opine as to what could possibly be in the Rosenstein memo - the same memo that Rosenstein refuses to give to Congress, the same memo that they argued in court to Judge Elliot that even HE shouldn't see it - that could potentially be POSITIVE for the prosecution (Mueller) here?

They have been fighting six ways from Sunday to not show that memo to anyone. Is there any explanation that could possibly NOT be bad for Mueller?

I certainly can't fathom any.

jjeffers1 said:

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Can anyone opine as to what could possibly be in the Rosenstein memo - the same memo that Rosenstein refuses to give to Congress, the same memo that they argued in court to Judge Elliot that even HE shouldn't see it - that could potentially be POSITIVE for the prosecution (Mueller) here?

They have been fighting six ways from Sunday to not show that memo to anyone. Is there any explanation (other than the yugely obvious one - that Mueller didn't have jurisdiction) that could possibly NOT be bad for Mueller?

I certainly can't fathom any.

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Matters of national security? That's the standard catch-all for, "I royally f***ed up here."

jjeffers1 said:

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Can anyone opine as to what could possibly be in the Rosenstein memo - the same memo that Rosenstein refuses to give to Congress, the same memo that they argued in court to Judge Elliot that even HE shouldn't see it - that could potentially be POSITIVE for the prosecution (Mueller) here?

They have been fighting six ways from Sunday to not show that memo to anyone. Is there any explanation that could possibly NOT be bad for Mueller?

I certainly can't fathom any.

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Sessions involvement?

OneNightW said:

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jjeffers1 said:

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Can anyone opine as to what could possibly be in the Rosenstein memo - the same memo that Rosenstein refuses to give to Congress, the same memo that they argued in court to Judge Elliot that even HE shouldn't see it - that could potentially be POSITIVE for the prosecution (Mueller) here?

They have been fighting six ways from Sunday to not show that memo to anyone. Is there any explanation that could possibly NOT be bad for Mueller?

I certainly can't fathom any.

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Sessions involvement?

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Don't get me started. I think Sessions was/is part of the "Insurance Policy."

OneNightW said:

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jjeffers1 said:

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Can anyone opine as to what could possibly be in the Rosenstein memo - the same memo that Rosenstein refuses to give to Congress, the same memo that they argued in court to Judge Elliot that even HE shouldn't see it - that could potentially be POSITIVE for the prosecution (Mueller) here?

They have been fighting six ways from Sunday to not show that memo to anyone. Is there any explanation that could possibly NOT be bad for Mueller?

I certainly can't fathom any.

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Sessions involvement?

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Then all three of them need to be fired.

It's just hard for me to believe Rosenstein has that much power. Clearly he's not afraid of Sessions.

aggiehawg said:

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redline248 said:

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Is there any record of the legal responses to the judge's questions?

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Sometimes judges aren't actually asking questions, they are on a rant. You just stay silent until you are sure they want you to respond. Never interrupt a judge mid-rant.

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True.

But this wasn't a rant. This was an excoriation that can be summed up in three words, "Come on man."

Mueller and his defenders (mainly the Senate Republicans not named Rand Paul) just got ripped a new one ... as they needed to be. Just like liberals, they let their hatred of Trump cloud cloud their judgment.

Hopefully this "Come to Jesus" moment will wake up these NeverTrumpers...or not. Either way they have been publically exposed for supporting a witch hunt.

blindey said:

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What cracks me up about all these dorks losing their **** over the fact that Ellis might dismiss because Mueller lacks jurisdiction is that its not like the crime just goes away. The proper prosecutorial channels can still pick this up.

But its like the judge alluded to today: letting the right people handle this neuters Mueller's ability to turn the screws and get info on Trump.

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If Mangort did somw9illegal he should face punishment. I am hopeful that we will finally see a check on the so far unlimited power of the special counsel.

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It's just hard for me to believe Rosenstein has that much power. Clearly he's not afraid of Sessions.

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I think Sessions, Rubio, McConnell, McCain, and other RHINO Senators all got together and conspired to plant one of themselves in the Trump campaign and be the swamp protector if he happened to win. Sessions is the one that chose the short straw.

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Looks like the doings of a Russian information campaign.

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LOLOLOLOL

Rockdoc said:

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Clearly he's not afraid of Sessions.

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Who is?

Mr Magoo got intimidated by Stuart Smalley.

Rockdoc said:

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It's just hard for me to believe Rosenstein has that much power. Clearly he's not afraid of Sessions.

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Sessions apparently doesn't want to be a hands-on AG. Prefers the jet, speaking tour and the other trappings of the office.

Never liked his nomination from the get-go yet held a glimmer of hope he was really a sly ol' fox working behind the scenes.

Rosenstein has now morphed into a weasel, just like Comey. Mueller was his boss way back when and even Rod can't tell him to stay in his lane.

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jjeffers1 said:

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Can anyone opine as to what could possibly be in the Rosenstein memo - the same memo that Rosenstein refuses to give to Congress, the same memo that they argued in court to Judge Elliot that even HE shouldn't see it - that could potentially be POSITIVE for the prosecution (Mueller) here?

They have been fighting six ways from Sunday to not show that memo to anyone. Is there any explanation that could possibly NOT be bad for Mueller?

I certainly can't fathom any.

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Sessions involvement?

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Don't get me started. I think Sessions was/is part of the "Insurance Policy."

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Well, he was a Senate Republican ... and they are the ones that have been giving Mueller Carte Blanche.

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What cracks me up about all these dorks losing their **** over the fact that Ellis might dismiss because Mueller lacks jurisdiction is that its not like the crime just goes away. The proper prosecutorial channels can still pick this up.

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Not so sure of that. The evidence from the raids is now very questionable. Unless the EDVa had the case down solid before Manafort usurped it, a lot of that will be suppressed, in my view.

blindey said:

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What cracks me up about all these dorks losing their **** over the fact that Ellis might dismiss because Mueller lacks jurisdiction is that its not like the crime just goes away. The proper prosecutorial channels can still pick this up.

But its like the judge alluded to today: letting the right people handle this neuters Mueller's ability to turn the screws and get info on Trump.

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Which piques my curiosity on this. Why only Manafort and not Podesta? Clearly the two were working together when all this went down.

jjeffers1 said:

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Can anyone opine as to what could possibly be in the Rosenstein memo - the same memo that Rosenstein refuses to give to Congress, the same memo that they argued in court to Judge Elliot that even HE shouldn't see it - that could potentially be POSITIVE for the prosecution (Mueller) here?

They have been fighting six ways from Sunday to not show that memo to anyone. Is there any explanation that could possibly NOT be bad for Mueller?

I certainly can't fathom any.

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Another dumb question (on my part), but is it possible RR never actually granted Mueller the so called authority and he's simply gone rogue? Yes, I'm implying that Mr. Rosenstein is the spineless weasel his image portrays and too cowardly to rein in the SC?

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What cracks me up about all these dorks losing their **** over the fact that Ellis might dismiss because Mueller lacks jurisdiction is that its not like the crime just goes away. The proper prosecutorial channels can still pick this up.

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Not so sure of that. The evidence from the raids is now very questionable. Unless the EDVa had the case down solid before Manafort usurped it, a lot of that will be suppressed, in my view.

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Exactly.

This "Epitome of a professional" (that we were led to believe Mueller was), was totally reckless (just like he was with those charged in the Whitey Bulger case and like he was in the Anthrax investigation). Now Manafort AND General Flynn could both end up walking.

Way to go you NeverTrumpers in the D.C. establishment. You picked a real winner.

It's Mueller time! Ba ha ha ha ha

This is laughable.

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The judge also gave the government two weeks to hand over the unredacted "scope memo" or provide an explanation why not -- after prosecutors were reluctant to do so, claiming it has material that doesn't pertain to Manafort.

"I'll be the judge of that," Ellis said.

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JEEBUS! Have to have some balls to tell a judge he can't see something, the basis of which is your entire argument. Dreeben is lucky the judge gave him two weeks to produce it. He could have held him in contempt on the spot. Or recessed given Dreeben two hours to produce it and then held in contempt if he failed to do so.

They've been able to stonewall anyone and everyone for years, especially under Obama admin that it's ingrained now.