Thread by Margot Cleveland. Refresher for Gen. Flynn hearing tomorrow.

have argued that the intelligence community assessment got it wrong and that Russia's true intentions in 2016 was actually to sow chaos and discord in America without regard to which candidate won

- To this I say. Well no duh

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that Russia's true intentions in 2016 was actually to sow chaos and discord in America without regard to which candidate won.

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This is no new revelation. Anyone looking at this objectively knew this to be the case from the get go. How so many Americans were played a fool by our own Media is nuts.

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Hold the phone. From John Solomon.

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The Trump administration is preparing one of its biggest declassifications yet in the Russia case, a super-secret document that could flip the collusion theory on its head four years after the FBI first started its investigation.

Multiple officials familiar with the planned declassification, which could happen as early as this week, told Just the News that the new evidence will raise the specter that Russian President Vladimir Putin was actually trying to hurt President Trump, not help his election in 2016, as the Obama administration claimed.

The new evidence would complement a revelation last week that the primary source for the Christopher Steele anti-Trump dossier was known to the U.S. government to be tied to Russia intelligence, raising the possibility that the Russians were undercutting the GOP nominee.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., hinted at the big revelation in a Sunday appearance on the Fox News show "Sunday Futures with Maria Bartiromo."

"Everything Russia-Trump was looked at. You had $25 million, 60 agents. You had subpoenas, you had people's lives turned upside down," Graham said. "The question is, 'Did they look at Russia coming after Trump?' "

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Solomon's too good of a reporter to just go off of Lindsay's word.

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An official familiar with the document said it will show the intelligence community "cherry-picked pebbles of evidence" to make the case Russia sought to help Trump win in 2016 when there was similar evidence to the contrary.

Several prominent Russia experts, including the CIA's former station chief in Moscow, have argued that the intelligence community assessment got it wrong and that Russia's true intentions in 2016 was actually to sow chaos and discord in America without regard to which candidate won.

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But, but 17 intelligence agencies all said.......

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This is no new revelation. Anyone looking at this objectively knew this to be the case from the get go. How so many Americans posters on this board were played a fool by our own Media is nuts.

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FIFY

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that Russia's true intentions in 2016 was actually to sow chaos and discord in America without regard to which candidate won.

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This is no new revelation. Anyone looking at this objectively knew this to be the case from the get go. How so many Americans LET THEMSELVES BE played a fool by our own Media is nuts.

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FIFY.....willful blindness.

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This is no new revelation. Anyone looking at this objectively knew this to be the case from the get go. How so many Americans posters concerned moderates on this board were played a fool by our own Media is nuts.

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FIFY

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FIFY

The Dems and their media allies, in their effort to exploit the idea of Russia colluding with Trump, needed up being THE Most effective element helping Russia succeed beyond their most optimistic hopes in harming the USA politically and dividing us and distracting us. The Dems were willing dupes but only because they wanted to believe/sell the narrative because it served them in their own goals once they lost. They aided Russia by causing chaos for America in a spoiled tantrum over losing power.

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txaggie_08 said:

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that Russia's true intentions in 2016 was actually to sow chaos and discord in America without regard to which candidate won.

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This is no new revelation. Anyone looking at this objectively knew this to be the case from the get go. How so many Americans LET THEMSELVES BE played a fool by our own Media is nuts.

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FIFY.....willful blindness.

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Who has time for that? The Masked Singer is on tonight.

"May 9th, 2017. The Manafort case was moved from an investigative squad to a counter intelligence squad."

Miss Hawg as repeatedly asserted the problems with using evidence from a CI investigation in a criminal trial.

I'm still curious as to how the Manafort case plays out.

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The Dems and their media allies, in their effort to exploit the idea of Russia colluding with Trump, needed up being THE Most effective element helping Russia succeed beyond their most optimistic hopes in harming the USA politically and dividing us and distracting us. The Dems were willing dupes but only because they wanted to believe/sell the narrative because it served them in their own goals once they lost. They aided Russia by causing chaos for America in a spoiled tantrum over losing power.

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When these documents are released which will show what anyone with a working brain already knew, that Russian's plan was to sow discord across the country... Whoever the president may be.

Someone should put together a ROI for the Russian's disinformation campaign and how the MSM took it hook, line and sinker and made Russians tiny "election meddling" and turned it into the most successful fraud in recent times.

My assumptions:
Initial Investment: $~200,000 in facebook ads that had no impact on any actual voters
Market rate of MSM run time: $2,000,000/hr (just a guess)
Total MSM run time of Trump/Russia Collusion: 4-5 hrs/day for ~3 years= ~$10 billion
FBI investigation cost: $~30-40 million
Mueller Sham Investment cost: $25-35 million

Total Value of initial investment now in 2020 with zero additional capital: $+10 billion

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The Dems and their media allies, in their effort to exploit the idea of Russia colluding with Trump, needed up being THE Most effective element helping Russia succeed beyond their most optimistic hopes in harming the USA politically and dividing us and distracting us. The Dems were willing dupes but only because they wanted to believe/sell the narrative because it served them in their own goals once they lost. They aided Russia by causing chaos for America in a spoiled tantrum over losing power.

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Useful idiots.

Que Te Gusta Mas said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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The Dems and their media allies, in their effort to exploit the idea of Russia colluding with Trump, needed up being THE Most effective element helping Russia succeed beyond their most optimistic hopes in harming the USA politically and dividing us and distracting us. The Dems were willing dupes but only because they wanted to believe/sell the narrative because it served them in their own goals once they lost. They aided Russia by causing chaos for America in a spoiled tantrum over losing power.

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Useful idiots.

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You're being kind with this description. A different descriptive option is quite odious.

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Miss Hawg as repeatedly asserted the problems with using evidence from a CI investigation in a criminal trial.

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And doing this so close to Comey's firing (when the EDVa dropped the investigation of Manafort in 2014) is egregious as a part of the cover up. It was obviously known when Comey was fired that Mueller would become the Special Counsel very soon. And within days of his appointment, he tolled the Statute of Limitations on the old potential charges the EDVa had dropped.

Now why would he need to toll the Statute of Limitations on a counter-intel investigation barring espionage or terrorism (which don't have such limitations)?? To gain leverage. Despite Rosenstein's scope memo naming Manafort, there was little independent reason why Mueller would have jurisdiction over an old criminal bank fraud case completely unrelated to Trump or the Trump campaign. It had to be counter-intel to get it to Mueller.

To reiterate a point made a page or so ago; the ICA was actually just made by 5 people, picked by Brennan, and edited by Brennan. It wasn't in any way "17 agencies." They deliberately excluded the Russia desk at the CIA.

https://www.usatoday.com/documents/7219006-Supplement-to-any-document/

New release of handwritten notes...about 95% redacted...but not redacted is a statement from a case update on 3/29/2017 that Flynn was no longer under investigation for collusion but now it was Logan Act & FARA. There's a little more from an undated sheet about Flynn being on the path to being cleared before the Kislyak calls. You can read for yourself.

The thing is they weren't idiots. They all knew or suspected there was nothing, but it served their needs, so they ran with it as far as they could go. They came close to unseating a president over the continuous stream of propaganda and lies...which they mostly concocted themselves actually.

Techno_Fog on the newly released, hand-written notes regarding Flynn.

This isn't in reference to the Solomon article, but the Cleveland article from The Federalist.

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There is no telling how long that will take, but in the interim, Powell should consider asking Judge Sullivan to vacate the protective order that prevents her from discussing or publishing the documents Jensen handed over. Flynn

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I don't understand this quote near the bottom of her article. From what I can tell, everything that's been declassified, or released by the FBI has been sent out by Twiiter, FB, or some other means. We end up seeing it here immediately.

What protective order about publishing or discussing am I missing. Is it only on material from Jensen?

I think the Margot Cleveland article was from back in May.

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Miss Hawg as repeatedly asserted the problems with using evidence from a CI investigation in a criminal trial.

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And doing this so close to Comey's firing (when the EDVa dropped the investigation of Manafort in 2014) is egregious as a part of the cover up. It was obviously known when Comey was fired that Mueller would become the Special Counsel very soon. And within days of his appointment, he tolled the Statute of Limitations on the old potential charges the EDVa had dropped.

Now why would he need to toll the Statute of Limitations on a counter-intel investigation barring espionage or terrorism (which don't have such limitations)?? To gain leverage. Despite Rosenstein's scope memo naming Manafort, there was little independent reason why Mueller would have jurisdiction over an old criminal bank fraud case completely unrelated to Trump or the Trump campaign. It had to be counter-intel to get it to Mueller.

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What do you think happens, in the end? He's a slimy swamp-rat of the highest order, but that doesn't make this prosecution right.

So they basically used the call as a pretext to extend the surveillance and investigation to push him out. Not surprise.

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What do you think happens, in the end? He's a slimy swamp-rat of the highest order, but that doesn't make this prosecution right.

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Don't know. He's already back at home but is under some time of supervised release. Depends on how far Durham goes with his investigation of the investigators. If he says they were corrupt and violated Manafort's rights? DOJ can move to reverse his conviction and expunge his record. (And don't forget how much money they took away from him. Millions and millions. That would be restored.)

Failing that, Trump can commute his sentence or pardon him outright. And the government keeps the cash.

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This isn't in reference to the Solomon article, but the Cleveland article from The Federalist.

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There is no telling how long that will take, but in the interim, Powell should consider asking Judge Sullivan to vacate the protective order that prevents her from discussing or publishing the documents Jensen handed over. Flynn

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I don't understand this quote near the bottom of her article. From what I can tell, everything that's been declassified, or released by the FBI has been sent out by Twiiter, FB, or some other means. We end up seeing it here immediately.

What protective order about publishing or discussing am I missing. Is it only on material from Jensen?

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No it is not only on stuff from Jensen. Sullivan issued the protective order a long time ago after Van Grack requested it. All along, Sullivan has been having ex parte communications with Team Mueller and having a ton crap filed under court seal. That was done to hide the truth, obviously and Sullivan not only went along with it ,he ordered it. All some part of "national security" BS.

Thanks to all for explaining this legal morass. What can be done to punish a rogue judge like Sullivan? Is/can/will he be in trouble?

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Thanks to all for explaining this legal morass. What can be done to punish a rogue judge like Sullivan? Is/can/will he be in trouble?

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Short of impeachment by the House? He might get a severe tongue lashing from a superior court if he keeps this crap up. But he already got one from the DC Circuit panel decision and that didn't faze him in the slightest.

Emhoff, Kamala Harris' Spouse, Taking Leave From DLA

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@MariaBartiromo ... Breaking news: NO John durham interim report. No indictments before election - Bartiromo sources. @SundayFutures @FoxNews @MorningsMaria @FoxBusiness

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Very likely ... time expired. So now Nov and Dec.

No indictments, but possibly charges and guilty pleas. Isn't that at least almost as good?

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will25u said:

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@MariaBartiromo ... Breaking news: NO John durham interim report. No indictments before election - Bartiromo sources. @SundayFutures @FoxNews @MorningsMaria @FoxBusiness

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Very likely ... time expired. So now Nov and Dec.

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I guess it's kind of nice to see it confirmed, but it's something a lot of us who put the pieces together knew.

Just last week, they were stating they're now into the Clinton Foundation, who was audited by Comey' brothers law firm. HMMM. If that's the case, they've got al least, 2 to 3 months to go. An audit of the Foundation would easily take that long.

I'm not happy, just not surprised. Remember, they can easily have pleas and other fun things. Just hang in there guys. Once again, those of you who believe nothing will happen, a possibility, are saying that two men, Barr and Durham, have now been corrupted by the Left. If so, we really are finished. I mean seriously finished. Bring the Chinese on over. I don't believe they are corrupt, but I'm dying to know. Please don't think I don't understand.

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No indictments, but possibly charges and guilty pleas. Isn't that at least almost as good?

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Could be better. Secure cooperation agreements and get them to flip and squeal.