They don't think anything was taken, or something was taken they didn't know about? 2 different things... I suspect the latter.

unless they allowed the break in to generate some sort of lead.

AggiePetro07 said:

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unless they allowed the break in to generate some sort of lead.

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Like F&F. Doubling down?

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AggiePetro07 said:

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unless they allowed the break in to generate some sort of lead.

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Like F&F. Doubling down?

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You make enough wrong turns and you finally end up in the right direction.

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Agree with special kind of stupid. But is it the FBI being stupid enough to let another stupid get away with it or is it FBI stupid for thinking they could fake a ordinary break in at one of Paddock's homes?

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Pretty easy to fake a break in. All they had to do was tell us someone broke in. Now, let's go to the FBI for comment: "Yup, that's true."

Alright, that wraps that up.

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Me either. But I've known of thieves targeting homes at the time of a funeral by seeing the owners names in the obituary, so thieves thinking he might have more guns isn't too much of a stretch.

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I would actually buy that except the home belonged to a guy that just committed the largest mass shooting in American history... that home - and his others - would become extensions of the crime scene and probably be surveiled, cataloged, etc... maybe not, but it's hard for me to wrap my head around there not being some FBI presence there for a least a couple of weeks... especially considering that they seem to presently have zero leads or motives.

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Exactly. They also said they noticed nothing was taken (that they can tell). Who risks breaking into a house to steal nothing.

Wonder what was in there that someone would risk getting caught breaking into this house for... must've been pretty important. You know everyone in that general area knew exactly whose house that was.

Getting caught breaking into Paddock's house would get you a very extended interview with the FBI

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You don't get caught breaking in if you are the government covering some tracks...

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Dengus said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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agent-maroon said:

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Me either. But I've known of thieves targeting homes at the time of a funeral by seeing the owners names in the obituary, so thieves thinking he might have more guns isn't too much of a stretch.

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I would actually buy that except the home belonged to a guy that just committed the largest mass shooting in American history... that home - and his others - would become extensions of the crime scene and probably be surveiled, cataloged, etc... maybe not, but it's hard for me to wrap my head around there not being some FBI presence there for a least a couple of weeks... especially considering that they seem to presently have zero leads or motives.

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Exactly. They also said they noticed nothing was taken (that they can tell). Who risks breaking into a house to steal nothing.

Wonder what was in there that someone would risk getting caught breaking into this house for... must've been pretty important. You know everyone in that general area knew exactly whose house that was.

Getting caught breaking into Paddock's house would get you a very extended interview with the FBI

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You don't get caught breaking in if you are the government covering some tracks...

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Shhhh. Let them keep going. It's hilarious watching them ignore the obvious.

True

That is not him in the room, there are multiple people int he video and when the guy in the ball cup turns you can see letters on his back. Looked like FBI. Couldn't tell if that was a TV in the light, but could have been the TV with the cameras attached to it.

I keep picturing Walter White breaking back into his house at the end of BB.

Now my tinfoil hat is getting bigger.

Then there is this:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/las-vegas-shooter-warned-apos-041230223.html

"The video is no longer available"

It was taken down within 2 hours of it going up.

This whole situation seems almost tailor made to create conspiracy theories because there is so much conflicting information, hidden truths, people who are legit ghosts, random happenings, strange business dealings, etc. etc.

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Random thought...can you imagine this thread if MF Barnes had been the shooter? Or if they find Paddock's computer and see that he had a Texags account under MF Barnes??

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Would anyone be surprised if he had a TexAgs account?

What does he mean, "maybe the van wasn't in position"? Like a van that was rigged with explosives?

I'm sure that MF Barnes's brother/best friend/cousin is on the LVMPD investigative team working with the FBI. He'll blow this thing wide open soon...

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What does he mean, "maybe the van wasn't in position"? Like a van that was rigged with explosives?

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The van where they found the tannerite maybe?

Gotcha

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That is not him in the room, there are multiple people int he video and when the guy in the ball cup turns you can see letters on his back. Looked like FBI. Couldn't tell if that was a TV in the light, but could have been the TV with the cameras attached to it.

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Got it. Thanks! I was outside watching so it was too bright to see the letters on the jacket.

This sheet going Oliver Stone's JFK level at this point.

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Getting caught up on the last few pages it occurred to me that I suspect many of y'all haven't been to Vegas too many times. It ain't like staying at a Holiday Inn Express or Motel 6.

Maybe, if you're going to ask comments or make statements about Vegas hotel rooms and what is or isn't reality or possible, you should also add a signature to your post to let everybody else know how big a Vegas guy you are.

I propose something like:

vv - Vegas Virgin - never been
V5 - Vegas Neophyte - up to 5 nights
VT - Vegas Journeyman - up to 10 nights
VV - Vegas Veteran (Superstar) - at least 5 trips, stayed at multiple properties, won some, lost some, seen some shows. Know how to organize your limo ride to "The Rhino"

Anyway, the windows are not sound proof. You would be able to hear a concert going on across the street. A few years ago, I stayed at the Cosmopolitan and that damn fountain at the Bellagio kept annoying the crap out of me every 15-30 minutes when it would go off playing a Shania Twain song.

As far as the doors, it probably varies by property but... As Ruben stated in "Ocean's 11" (Clooney/Pitt version) - "They got locks, they got timers" etc.

I'm a Vegas Veteran. Been going there for 15 years. Probably spent at least 35 nights at a minimum of 10 properties on The Strip over the course of at least 15 trips.

And as somebody pointed out - nobody is intentionally going to be in their hotel room at 10pm in Vegas.

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This is what I was thinking. Excuse me if this falls under the TLDR section, but with everything going I thought maybe this will help people with piecing together timelines and response times etc... I have spent a significant amount of time in Vegas, with lots of stays at Mandalay Bay (call me crazy, but I can't wait to get back, call it defiance maybe). So on this scale I am considered VV.

I, like others thought about Vegas like a movie. Cameras everywhere and you couldn't do anything without it being caught on video, but then on my last trip (work trip. 2 weeks before the shooting I stayed at Mandalay for 5 days, a couple of floors below the shooter) a guy I had met said he had a bunch of stuff stolen from his room.

Well security had footage of the people in the elevator with all of this guys stuff, but nothing conclusive showing they came out of his room. Why? Because there are not cameras in the hotel hallways, only at the elevator bank and of course the casino floor. Even with security's help showing what time the room was opened, there was nothing LVPD was going to do because of the lack of "evidence." (I guess it is always possible they lied to the guy because the chances of catching the perps are so low).

Another point is some of you do not understand how massive these hotel/casinos are. An example is I stayed on the 28th floor while we were working a trade show in the same hotel (Mandalay), and it was over a mile walk to the trade show from my room. With elevators, escalators, and crowds it took over 20 minutes to walk. You are talking about getting off the elevator, on your floor, and still having a 5 minute walk to your room. So keep this in mind when you bring up response times and why more people didn't hear the shots. Hell, it is a solid 3-4 minute walk from the main entrance to the first elevator bank if that is what first responders used. That is also knowing exactly where you are going and without a panic induced public.

Not calling you out BBQ, or anything like that, but I have to disagree about nobody being in their hotel rooms at 10pm. Every group I have ever been with, we were in our rooms around this time. We usually have dinner, come back, shower, nap and get ready to leave for the night about 11 or 12. So that doesn't seem too far fetched to me.

TLDR: These hotels are massive. It is not unreasonable to believe someone firing 200 shots wouldn't be heard on the casino level and security cameras do not see everything, or even close to it.

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Vito said:

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Random thought...can you imagine this thread if MF Barnes had been the shooter? Or if they find Paddock's computer and see that he had a Texags account under MF Barnes??

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Would anyone be surprised if he had a TexAgs account?

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I bet he has three or four that he is building a history on right now. And we have no idea which ones they are.

they see everything where they want to see everything. The casino. Elevators. Cash cages. Entrances/exits.

Perfectly reasonable that they don't care about monitoring the miles of hallways of the room levels.

Bingo. They see exactly what they need to see. Miles of hallways did not effect their bottom line, why monitor? I am sure this changes everything as far as cams in the hallways goes, now that it has effected the bottom line.

Not that it would have stopped him because he was a guest, but at MGM properties you don't even need a key card for the elevator. I think that will change and I could see checking-in to a Vegas hotel going the airport route now. You go to check-in, your bag goes to security, then your bags are taken to your room.

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I could see checking-in to a Vegas hotel going the airport route now. You go to check-in, your bag goes to security, then your bags are taken to your room.

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This is consistent with the 3 weeks beforehand post on 4Chan by "john" warning of an attack in Vegas, and the motive for such attack.

A good author could take what we do know, fill in all the gaps that we don't, and end up with a great thriller novel. And we won't know if the result is fiction or non-fiction.

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Bingo. They see exactly what they need to see. Miles of hallways did not effect their bottom line, why monitor? I am sure this changes everything as far as cams in the hallways goes, now that it has effected the bottom line.

Not that it would have stopped him because he was a guest, but at MGM properties you don't even need a key card for the elevator. I think that will change and I could see checking-in to a Vegas hotel going the airport route now. You go to check-in, your bag goes to security, then your bags are taken to your room.

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Yeah it would be cheaper to do that or scan bags before they can go to the rooms, than installing miles of security cameras and monitoring them

Vito said:

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Random thought...can you imagine this thread if MF Barnes had been the shooter? Or if they find Paddock's computer and see that he had a Texags account under MF Barnes??

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MF Barnes made it look like he was some guy named Stephen Paddock. That's how MF Barnes planned to escape, by making the world think he was Stephen Paddock.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worker-warned-hotel-before-las-vegas-shooter-opened-fire-on-crowd/

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Random thought...can you imagine this thread if MF Barnes had been the shooter? Or if they find Paddock's computer and see that he had a Texags account under MF Barnes??

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yes i can, on page 112

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Bingo. They see exactly what they need to see. Miles of hallways did not effect their bottom line, why monitor? I am sure this changes everything as far as cams in the hallways goes, now that it has effected the bottom line.

Not that it would have stopped him because he was a guest, but at MGM properties you don't even need a key card for the elevator. I think that will change and I could see checking-in to a Vegas hotel going the airport route now. You go to check-in, your bag goes to security, then your bags are taken to your room.

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Yeah it would be cheaper to do that or scan bags before they can go to the rooms, than installing miles of security cameras and monitoring them

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I disagree on the cost aspect. If you have a magnetometer or an x-ray machine, like at an airport, you have to pay people to man it full time. That's a couple hundred grand a year, minimum. As for security cameras, once installed, you don't have to monitor them full time. You just need them to record and then someone can review them on an as-needed basis, and digital storage is cheap.

That is what I meant by the airport route. Once you arrive you can no longer have access to your bag until it goes through security and then is delivered to your room. That also helps with spotting people bringing large bags of luggage up to their rooms like this guy must have done (assuming he didn't have help).

Either way it will be costly. They would need to hire an extra 100 bellman a shift to handle something like that, not to mention the equipment cost and personnel to run the machines.

Edit: spelling mistake.

Bottom line is that all the security cams in the world won't matter if the bags are not being screened, either as Truck Guy suggested or done at the hotel before they can go to the rooms.

Reminds me a bit of this case:
A mobster was found in a small town in Idaho a few years back. He had been living under an assumed name and was on the lam. He had succeeded for 15 years or so until he was found out:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/11/us/11mobster.html

And then the plot twist. A couple of locals he had befriended in the years he lived on the lam remembered (or discovered) that he had a hidden safe in the foundation of his home and..

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Prosecutors say Verceles and Robert and Nicholas Corson, of Meridian, used a jackhammer and blowtorch to remove a safe hidden in the concrete floor of Ponzo's basement. They are accused of stealing about $162,000 in cash and gold coins.

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One of the guys killed himself (cough cough) after being arrested. The Feds had apparently missed the safe when they searched the mobster's house when he was arrested.

SO...I wonder if the buglers in Reno either:
1) knew the shooter and suspected or knew there was money hidden in the house
2) Some opportunists that thought they would look to see if they could find anything
3) Other?