Agnzona said:

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Interesting idea but if you saw all those guns you ate not sending up one security Gaurd.

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Drew_Hill said:

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So why did Paddock stop shooting the crowd and off himself if it wasn't because of the security guard? There is no way he just saw some cops on his cameras and before any confrontation he just decided to eat a bullet.

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FireAg said:

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Two major problems with the original story have been "corrected"...

1. As was first reported by the "whack-job" Laura Loomer, Paddock checked into the hotel well before the 29th.

2. The security guard was shot BEFORE Paddock opened fire on the crowd, meaning that the security guard story about "stopping the attack from being even worse" has been debunked.


My problem with this is that both of these items are ones that should have been readily fixable almost immediately. The hotel knows what day the dude checked in, and they know when and why the security guard originally went to 32, along with precisely when he was shot...

It doesn't take 8-days to determine those facts, as originally presented, were simple errors...



There is something much, much bigger going on...

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OnlyForNow said:

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The one thing that would be interesting is if the MB has secret cameras in the suites and sent Campos up there because they saw he had all these guns out and was drilling holes in the wall or w/e.

This hasn't come out because they don't want the privacy issue of their guests brought up.

wild ass theory, but might make sense on why there was an investigation when there seemingly didn't need to be one.

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backintexas2013 said:

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Good guess.

Some questions and one confirmation I would like.

Questions: where exactly was the drilling and did Campos knock on the door when he heard the drilling? If so and he got fired upon by 200 rounds how did he get hit once?

As far as confirmation I swear someone said on the police scanner that they were searching the 31st floor at first. If Campos directed them where to go why go to the 31st floor. This was when the story first broke so maybe the person listening on radio scanner heard wrong.

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North Dallas Forty oz. said:

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Questions: where exactly was the drilling and did Campos knock on the door when he heard the drilling? If so and he got fired upon by 200 rounds how did he get hit once?

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It sounds like Campos didn't knock. At 6:45 in the press conference video:

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Reporter: And he knocked because of the drilling?
Lombardo: No. I never--there's never been anything out in the public forum about knocking.

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bmks270 said:

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So... why did Paddock want 2 rooms...? He could have done it all from one room.

Why did he knock out two windows?

I know the guy is crazy, but I just can't imagine him doing things without some thought behind it...

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WestAustinAg said:

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North Dallas Forty oz. said:

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Questions: where exactly was the drilling and did Campos knock on the door when he heard the drilling? If so and he got fired upon by 200 rounds how did he get hit once?

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It sounds like Campos didn't knock. At 6:45 in the press conference video:

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Reporter: And he knocked because of the drilling?
Lombardo: No. I never--there's never been anything out in the public forum about knocking.

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This does show how the Sheriff constantly referenced what the public knows or thinks it knows. He did it several times yesterday. He seems to be on the internet 24/7...vetting what is being said by the media and the conspiracist groups.

Here he is arguing what is not being discussed by the public at large. How weird. He's playing defensive guy (lawyer-like) with denials of things nobody cares about. He is charged with telling the truth or saying that he can't talk about it, not denying that something is a rumor in public or not.

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bmks270 said:

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So... why did Paddock want 2 rooms...? He could have done it all from one room.

Why did he knock out two windows?

I know the guy is crazy, but I just can't imagine him doing things without some thought behind it...

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Maybe he was trying to make it seem like there were shooters in two different rooms.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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North Dallas Forty oz. said:

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Questions: where exactly was the drilling and did Campos knock on the door when he heard the drilling? If so and he got fired upon by 200 rounds how did he get hit once?

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It sounds like Campos didn't knock. At 6:45 in the press conference video:

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Reporter: And he knocked because of the drilling?
Lombardo: No. I never--there's never been anything out in the public forum about knocking.

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This does show how the Sheriff constantly referenced what the public knows or thinks it knows. He did it several times yesterday. He seems to be on the internet 24/7...vetting what is being said by the media and the conspiracist groups.

Here he is arguing what is not being discussed by the public at large. How weird. He's playing defensive guy (lawyer-like) with denials of things nobody cares about. He is charged with telling the truth or saying that he can't talk about it, not denying that something is a rumor in public or not.

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And that statement isn't that Campos didn't knock because of the drilling, it's that Lombardo has never said, or authorities have never stated that Campos knocked because of the drilling.

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Premium said:

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I just don't know why he didn't do this:



Or this:

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WestAustinAg said:

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ATX_AG_08 said:

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bmks270 said:

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So... why did Paddock want 2 rooms...? He could have done it all from one room.

Why did he knock out two windows?

I know the guy is crazy, but I just can't imagine him doing things without some thought behind it...

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Multiple positions to shoot from? If he got pinned down in one location with overwhelming firepower he could move to the other and resume firing? It's so elementary and simple to understand.

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The second smaller room could have been the room he kept the arsenal in (prior to concert) with a Do Not Disturb sign on it while he engaged hookers and maids in the larger suite.

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Tom Doniphon said:

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There was a small sledge (maybe a 2-4 lb) laying near him in the suicide pic... no idea if LEO have mentioned that it was used in that capacity though.

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Secolobo said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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ATX_AG_08 said:

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bmks270 said:

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So... why did Paddock want 2 rooms...? He could have done it all from one room.

Why did he knock out two windows?

I know the guy is crazy, but I just can't imagine him doing things without some thought behind it...

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Multiple positions to shoot from? If he got pinned down in one location with overwhelming firepower he could move to the other and resume firing? It's so elementary and simple to understand.

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The second smaller room could have been the room he kept the arsenal in (prior to concert) with a Do Not Disturb sign on it while he engaged hookers and maids in the larger suite.

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No way he moved that many weapons and that much ammo from one room to the next. Still think he was in the small room and something was going down in the suite.
I still want to hear how many of those weapons were actually fired...

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Madman said:

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Phys 218 still hurts to think about sometimes.

I loved and hated that class. My prof was a freak about it. He had stories about elves and would get so excited while lecturing he would stutter and shake.

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Phys 218 was a cakewalk compared to 208. My first test score in 208 was a 13. That was a C after the curve lol

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Tom Doniphon said:

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I can't figure out why a guy that's about to shoot 500 rounds would knock the window out with a hammer anyway.... why not just shoot it out? A window falling 32 stories will generally raise suspicions whether shot out or hammered.

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drcrinum said:

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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/10/09/holy-cow-the-official-mandalay-bay-massacre-narrative-just-completely-changed-latest-presser-video/comment-page-5/#comments

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This latest revelation is explosive because it shows Paddock was interrupted in the act of preparing for the attack, and not during the commission of the attack itself.

This explains a great deal about the event and why so many advanced preparations appeared not to have been utilized. Unused ammunition, body armor, weapons etc.

This latest crucial bit of information is also explosive in that it may indicate there were other participants that might have been present, later, if the attack plan had proceeded without being interrupted by the security guard (the need for 23 firearms etc.).

Within these latest developments it is entirely possible that Paddock would have had a great deal more effectiveness in the overall attack if he had finished the preparation prior to carrying out the shooting.

The hurried need to carry out some level of the attack despite the interruption might also explain why Paddock just smashed out the windows to begin firing etc. He may indeed have had a much more substantive plan, but was forced to drop that approach by the unexpected interruption prior to the shooting.

This new information essentially changes everything. It is also most likely the reason why the LVMPD have stated they will not hold another presser until Friday.

The bigger problem for Las Vegas Police, FBI, DHS etc. is that this change is far more substantial than just the timeline. This "new narrative" stinks to high heaven.

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Full article is an interesting read. Some of the >1,200 comments are also interesting.

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According to the latest stunning revelation by Sheriff Lombardo, security guard Campos was responding to a door alarm notification, presumably from a fire exit door being opened by suspect Paddock on the 32nd floor

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