Gotta like how a bus just shows up like nothing. They sound like they were close enough that streets should have been blocked off.

See entire thread.

Not impossible, just not probable with how it looked.

I just don't understand why he would even have a revolver if he wasn't planning to shoot himself. He had no reason to use anything other than the ARs, even if he was planning to be in a shootout with the cops breaching his door. A pistol makes no sense except as a final resort to use on yourself.

jthonen said:

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Pretty much all you need to know about the FBI individuals that are leading this investigation.

http://truepundit.com/fbi-agents-working-evidence-of-second-las-vegas-shooter-have-been-directed-by-dc-bosses-to-stand-down/
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The hunt for a second or third gunman in the Mandalay Bay Massacre in Las Vegas appears to be over, at least as far as the FBI is concerned. Whether premature or not.
FBI officials told True Pundit late Thursday the focus of the case now is zoned in solely on Stephen Paddock as the lone gunman, per a directive from FBI headquarters in Washington D.C.
The directive came as a shock, as FBI insiders said they were pursuing leads that while Paddock was sniping innocent victims from his 32nd-floor perch at Mandalay Bay, another gunman wielding an AR-15 5.56 caliber weapon was closer to the ground shooting from another angle.

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Just so you and others are aware of what kind of source you are citing here, True Pundit is also the site that had the story quoting commissioners inside the NYPD that had supposedly seen what was on Anthony Weiners computer and it was rock solid evidence of Bill and Hillary Clinton involved in child rape and sex trafficking. According to the story which came out a couple weeks before the election, half of the NYPD was about to go rogue and blow the cover off the story but the FBI was shutting them down.

More of this - he makes a case - maybe not a great one but makes about as much sense as anything else

tsuag10 said:

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I thought that too at first, but shots inside the room wouldn't be as loud as the shots with the muzzle aimed out the window. Those last shots were loud, almost like they were from a bigger caliber than the previous rapid fire.

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There are a lot of variables that determine how loud a shot will be perceived--let alone how different shots will be perceived relative to each other when they've been recorded on a cell phone. That said, by at least some measures, a .38 or .357 revolver can measure louder than a .223 (and probably a 5.56). http://www.m1911.org/loudness.htm

My guess is that shot at 3:26 is his shot through the door at the security guard. At 3:37, he shoot himself.

Also, I think he might've sat down on the floor, set the rifle over his legs, then lay down with the revolver in his mouth. That would explain his straight, uncrumpled position on the floor. And it would explain how the blood pooled around the casings near his head.

I have seen questions on FB about why there are not more casings given the number of rounds he fired.

Is it weird that there isnt more brass than what we have seen in the photos?

brd79 said:

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I have seen questions on FB about why there are not more casings given the number of rounds he fired.

Is it weird that there isnt more brass than what we have seen in the photos?

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Maybe some flew out the window?

Thought he shot over 200 shots out the door?

tsuag10 said:

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I just don't understand why he would even have a revolver if he wasn't planning to shoot himself. He had no reason to use anything other than the ARs, even if he was planning to be in a shootout with the cops breaching his door. A pistol makes no sense except as a final resort to use on yourself.

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If his original plan included escaping in the ensuing chaos, a concealed handgun would be used instead of a long gun.

Now we know something....

You do?

If he were really planning on running and carrying out further attacks it would make the most sense to cache gear somewhere down the road and travel light rather than carrying it all with him.

Of course people don't always do what makes sense... and there is likely a lot of that going on in this case.

One thing people should keep in mind when looking at this case is that we are almost certainly dealing with someone with an obsessive-type personality. If, as I suspect, he read up on every previous mass shooting he is probably aware that a number of them stopped when the attacker's weapon malfunctioned... so he figured he would bring several guns... which eventually grew to a couple dozen. It doesn't make sense to an impartial observer to lug such an arsenal to a hotel room for an attack like this, but you have to consider that he was likely operating in a vacuum in his head. The plot was an obsession and throwing more and more into it would have made sense to him.

My hunch is that he played the whole thing out in his head 10,000 times but perhaps didn't examine certain assumptions thoroughly. I suspect he expected to have a lot more time once he started firing and/or that he lost track of time. (perhaps he thought he would be able to shoot for a lengthy period of time before police could even figure out which building it was coming from...but in reality they were able to determine it almost immediately.) Instead of being able to fire for 10 minutes uninterrupted and walking out the door calmly to blend in with the panicked crowds he found hotel security at his door faster than he expected and shot himself.

Firing at the fuel tanks is likely another case of reality not conforming to his expectations. I am sure he didn't fire at them expecting nothing to happen... Basically I think once all the facts are known what people will find is that he was rational and calculating to the extreme, but at the same time was operating in a largely irrational mindset and planning around some faulty assumptions. Those inconsistencies will no doubt keep the conspiracy theorist crowd going for a long time to come.

Charpie said:

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You do?

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He's a gun runner!

You may be interested to learn this as well:


http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-is-manufacturing-terrorism-cases-2016-6


See why this may prove embarrassing to the FBI/CIA?

If you are a gun runner, doesn't that mean you are given the guns by someone else and "run" them to their destination? Why would he purchase these guns legally if he was a gun runner? Serious question since I don't really know how the "gun running" business works.

WestTexAg12 said:

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I ran across a picture of the collected firearms from the room, and it made me very curious.

Why would he bring some of the ones that he did? I saw a break over single shot rifle (looked like a .22), a couple of shotguns, and what looked like other smaller caliber single shot rifles. Why would he bring these for what he had planned??

I am seriously considering a theory supporting that he was forced somehow IOT cause an anti-gun flare-up

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How would The Internet of Things cause an anti-gun flare up? Did his new Samsung smart refrigerator talk him into this plot?

Also, just for clarification, he shot through the double doors of his room and hit the security guard with rifle rounds.

You can clearly see the picture of the door with about 10-20 holes through it.

We havent gotten to the grassy knoll, we have to piece this together first.

OnlyForNow said:

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Also, just for clarification, he shot through the double doors of his room and hit the security guard with rifle rounds.

You can clearly see the picture of the door with about 10-20 holes through it.

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Why would the security guard have ANY residue on his hands? Riddle me that...

Security guard was Jesus Campos, worked for MS 13. Government has been cracking the whip and they were trying to track guns as they have in the past. It was an arms deal gone bad. Security guard killed him and shot everyone else.

bmks270 said:

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I've seen so much bull**** speculations being tweeted out as facts...

He shot himself in the head, probably sitting with a gun in front of him and behind him, fell back, and pool of blood engulfed the casings. There is nothing significant about the casings in the blood pool. They were on the ground first, then blood flowed around them.

Believing he accidentally shot himself in the head like that? The odds are so low that is a near impossibility so just rule it out.

Everything about this isn't some faked setup. Replacing windows from shooters on other floors? Arms dealer and deals gone bad? He didn't kill himself? Just think for 2 seconds and all the idiocy of these conspiracies should be apparent.

I've seen people tweet out (as fact) that he was a Russian spy, wait no he was CIA gun runner like Tom Cruise, no he was doing a sting against ISIS and got set up....

Can we consider maybe he was a lonely methodical psychopath with a high IQ and a bunch of money?

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The lonely methodical psychopath with a high IQ and lots of money was my first thought. However, as the weirdness started to pile up, it seemed that the simple answer may not be so simple.

I agree that most of the theories are completely crazy, but things are just a little too strange.
Why so many guns? 5 or 6 guns properly equipped should be more than sufficient.
Why did no one else around him have the slightest clue about what was going on?
Also, A normal civilian would have made at least a couple of mistakes leading up to the day of the shooting that would have gotten them caught, or at least raised suspicion.
It may all be nothing; but it doesn't feel like nothing...

tsuag10 said:

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I agree that most of the theories are completely crazy, but things are just a little too strange.
Why so many guns? 5 or 6 guns properly equipped should be more than sufficient.
Why did no one else around him have the slightest clue about what was going on?
Also, A normal civilian would have made at least a couple of mistakes leading up to the day of the shooting that would have gotten them caught, or at least raised suspicion.
It may all be nothing; but it doesn't feel like nothing...

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"Disturbed and secret life."

He was a sociopath. They don't think or act like normal people and can be very very good liars. From 0-7 his dad was robbing banks.

I wouldn't be surprised to if it comes out this guy had some other fake identity that he used for his "secret life." The same way his dad used a fake identity to evade the FBI.

CuriousAg said:

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OnlyForNow said:

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Also, just for clarification, he shot through the double doors of his room and hit the security guard with rifle rounds.

You can clearly see the picture of the door with about 10-20 holes through it.

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Why would the security guard have ANY residue on his hands? Riddle me that...

Security guard was Jesus Campos, worked for MS 13. Government has been cracking the whip and they were trying to track guns as they have in the past. It was an arms deal gone bad. Security guard killed him and shot everyone else.

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Lol what? That makes no sense at all....! That's more like an incoherent dream.

OnlyForNow said:

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Also, just for clarification, he shot through the double doors of his room and hit the security guard with rifle rounds.

You can clearly see the picture of the door with about 10-20 holes through it.

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What does seem hard to believe is that he shot, supposedly, 200 rounds down the hallway. How did they accurately get that count? I guess I could see it with his rate of fire but means he was fixed on the hallway for like 20 seconds...

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HoustonAg15 said:

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Two single gunshots at 3:26 and 3:37

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Seems like those were the last shots. Maybe those were the 2 that hit the jet fuel tanks? When they didn't explode he decided to eat a bullet.

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Seems more like

1. shoot security guard
2. shoot himself

OR

assuming the conspiracy theory that there were 2 and security guard was in on it
1. security guard shoots him
2. security guard shoots himself to stage his exit and cover story

WestTexAg12 said:

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I ran across a picture of the collected firearms from the room, and it made me very curious.

Why would he bring some of the ones that he did? I saw a break over single shot rifle (looked like a .22), a couple of shotguns, and what looked like other smaller caliber single shot rifles. Why would he bring these for what he had planned??

I am seriously considering a theory supporting that he was forced somehow IOT cause an anti-gun flare-up

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I think I know which picture you're talking about and I thought that was a photo of what he had at his home

BernArnold said:

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unmade bed said:

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HoustonAg15 said:

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Two single gunshots at 3:26 and 3:37

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Seems like those were the last shots. Maybe those were the 2 that hit the jet fuel tanks? When they didn't explode he decided to eat a bullet.

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Seems more like

1. shoot security guard
2. shoot himself

OR

assuming the conspiracy theory that there were 2 and security guard was in on it
1. security guard shoots him
2. security guard shoots himself to stage his exit and cover story

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But there are multiple bullet holes in the door, so he shot at the security guard more than once.

There were exactly 2 bullet holes in the fuel tanks.

No idea. Based on the door that seems high.

Does look like he put at least 50 through the double doors though.

He is an idiot if he stepped out into the hallway to shoot down it... and why haven't any of those photos leaked.

BernArnold said:

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unmade bed said:

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HoustonAg15 said:

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Two single gunshots at 3:26 and 3:37

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Seems like those were the last shots. Maybe those were the 2 that hit the jet fuel tanks? When they didn't explode he decided to eat a bullet.

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Seems more like

1. shoot security guard
2. shoot himself

OR

assuming the conspiracy theory that there were 2 and security guard was in on it
1. security guard shoots him
2. security guard shoots himself to stage his exit and cover story

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Only issue with the security guard shooting Paddock is how would Paddock let him put the gun in his mouth and shoot. Seems there would be more evidence of a squabble if there was wrestling going on and he somehow pointed the gun in Paddocks mouth.

Also there is more than one bullet hole in the door so why would only one shot from a revolver shoot the security guard? I doubt Paddock shot through the door with his rifle and the unarmed security guard continued toward the door just to be shot with a revolver. More than likely one of the rounds from the rifle got him.

The casino cameras would also be able to track the security guard. If he is no where to be found before the shootings then there could be a good chance he was in the room with Paddock dismissing his "heroic" deeds. If he was in the lobby, then proceeded up elevator, then that would back his story.

BernArnold said:

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unmade bed said:

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HoustonAg15 said:

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Two single gunshots at 3:26 and 3:37

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Seems like those were the last shots. Maybe those were the 2 that hit the jet fuel tanks? When they didn't explode he decided to eat a bullet.

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Seems more like

1. shoot security guard
2. shoot himself

OR

assuming the conspiracy theory that there were 2 and security guard was in on it
1. security guard shoots him
2. security guard shoots himself to stage his exit and cover story

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More like, 2 last attempts at the jet fuel tanks.

the door was barricaded shut. i doubt he ran in the hallway.

he shot thru the door.

when swat arrived they had to blow the door open with explosives.

paddock killed himself at the first sign of resistance. this is very common with these crazed gunman types. once they fell that they've lost control, they end it.

i seriously doubt the security guard was in on anything