IDK - don't hate the messenger. Interesting. True or not - I think there's something big behind this.

Just an Ag said:

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After mowing down all those people, how did the isis assassin escape the room and hotel without being noticed or caught?

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Because BIG CASINO and BIG GOVERNMENT are in on it!! DUH!!!!

Just an Ag said:

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After mowing down all those people, how did the isis assassin escape the room and hotel without being noticed or caught?

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popped smoke, duh

GeorgePlimpton said:

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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Not a usual poster here, but my parents has their next door neighbor killed in the Killeen Luby's mass shooting and they never really were able to decide why that man did it. Some people are just plain evil and sociopathic.

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But that guy was 35...nearly half the age of the LV shooter...

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So what?

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Murderous sociopaths who have committed mass shootings have usually been much younger than this guy was...

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You're right, no one has ever done anything sociopathic after the age of 60.


jeeeessssuuusssss

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The average age of a US mass shooting perpetrator (not including workplace violence), where the victims are seemingly random targets is 28.6 years of age, with a median of 25 and a range of 25...

64 years old, for this type of crime, is a significant outlier...

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Well... Sunday night would make it appear...that this is still possible

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I'm fairly certain he's speaking in terms of statistical probability. He isn't speaking in absolutes.

Another thing that seems weird - seems like someone who purchased such a massive cache of arms would be known to some gun dealers and sellers.

I don't own nearly that volume, but the people I know who are gun enthusiasts and own anything approaching what this guy had know tons of people in the business. No one seems to know this guy at all.

Marcus Aurelius said:

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From Pol

"The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders.

Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock's true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don't want their scheme to become public knowledge.

I will be posting further information throughout the day, people within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public."

FWIW. Not out of the realm of possibility.

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So did ISIS wipe down all of the guns and replace his fingerprints all over them? Did ISIS use their invisibility cloaks for the hotel cameras and also to elude the police in the hallway and all over the entire hotel to escape unnoticed. Does ISIS often request enormous magazines and bump stocks on the guns that they purchase? This is just barely scratching the surface on the 80 foot layer of BS in this story.

GeorgePlimpton said:

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3rd Generation Ag said:

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Not a usual poster here, but my parents has their next door neighbor killed in the Killeen Luby's mass shooting and they never really were able to decide why that man did it. Some people are just plain evil and sociopathic.

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But that guy was 35...nearly half the age of the LV shooter...

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So what?

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Murderous sociopaths who have committed mass shootings have usually been much younger than this guy was...

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You're right, no one has ever done anything sociopathic after the age of 60.


jeeeessssuuusssss

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The average age of a US mass shooting perpetrator (not including workplace violence), where the victims are seemingly random targets is 28.6 years of age, with a median of 25 and a range of 25...

64 years old, for this type of crime, is a significant outlier...

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Well... Sunday night would make it appear...that this is still possible

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I'm not arguing that it is impossible. But statistically speaking, it would be significant outlier...at least as far as sociopathic mass shooting murders go in the US...

The tendency for a sociopath to do something like this in the US is likely to occur at a much younger age...

If anything, I would argue that given his age, and given the fact that he has no mental or legal problems of note, he was anything but a "sociopath"...

Something other than "I hate the world and it hates me" drove this...at least that's my opinion...

Just an Ag said:

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After mowing down all those people, how did the isis assassin escape the room and hotel without being noticed or caught?

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What does an ISIS operative look like exactly that would make him/her stand out?

Or he was with the FBI but converted to Islam and carried this out for ISIS and the government is trying to figure out the narrative.

no

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Very Tolerant Nice Guy said:

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I play Poker a ton, absolutely love the game; but I know what Tilt can do to a person. It can really drive you nuts, and I'm playing $2/$4, this guy is playing $10,000 a day. I've felt like punching my fist through the computer screen or a fellow player multiple times. Maybe this dude just snapped and felt like taking his rage out?

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Which explains why he had been purchasing rifles and ammo over a period of years?

Come on.

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maybe he was just a gun nut. You have no idea how long he had the weapons he used for the actual shooting, since they clearly weren't obtained legally. Could have just had them a few weeks

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Many of the rifles he had were modified and could be purchased legally in Nevada.

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Marcus Aurelius said:

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From Pol

"The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders.

Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock's true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled the scene.

Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don't want their scheme to become public knowledge.

I will be posting further information throughout the day, people within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public."

FWIW. Not out of the realm of possibility.

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So did ISIS wipe down all of the guns and replace his fingerprints all over them? Did ISIS use their invisibility cloaks for the hotel cameras and also to elude the police in the hallway and all over the entire hotel to escape unnoticed. Does ISIS often request enormous magazines and bump stops on the guns that they purchase? This is just barely scratching the surface on the 80 foot layer of BS in this story.

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And also ISIS wouldn't run away... they want to die... so they probably stay until the authorities kill them, and they'd put a fight. So while sounds plausible at first it doesn't fit the ISIS mentality and belief system. ISIS operatives want to die.

Marcus Aurelius said:

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IDK - don't hate the messenger. Interesting. True or not - I think there's something big behind this.

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Me too.

aggieaviator said:

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Just an Ag said:

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After mowing down all those people, how did the isis assassin escape the room and hotel without being noticed or caught?

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What does an ISIS operative look like exactly that would make him/her stand out?

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Probably a bell hop.

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"Professional gambler" is what shady people use to hide their real source of income. Red flag.

How did this guy actually build his wealth to where he didn't need to be employed? When was he last employed, 1988 is the date I heard... that is 28 years ago, so he hasn't been employed since his 30s?

If he is a real estate investor you'd think we'd know something by now about his business. Did he have an LLC? Property managers? Lenders he did deals with? How were properties advertised and sold? Seems like he doesn't operate any real business or we'd have heard about these things by now I think.

I don't think he acquired his airplanes and homes with income made playing video poker or gambling. If the casinos were losing money on this guy he would be persona non grata and blacklisted.

What happened to the money his father stole from banks? FBIs ten most wanted father. Father taught him how to escape authorities when he was a kid. It's what he knew.

Guy is an accountant doing audits of all things for a major defense company... you know what comes to mind... money laundering.

Everything about this guy is more like a fictional crime boss out of a movie than your typical retired accountant.

- Psychopath bank robbing father
- Accountant specializes in audits (has knowledge necessary to launder money and cook books)
- Gambling as a source of wealth (shady bogus cover as source of wealth)
- Multiple airplanes and homes
- No public front (social media or business front)
- No identified business associates....?
- Foreign girlfriend...

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This is a great post.

I think he was an illegal arms dealer. Explains him having access to exotic weapons, as well has the lockdown of information about him.

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This is a great theory!

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i think something like this may be up, but there are no exotic weapons involved at all....at least that i have seen, so that part doesnt add up.

thanks?

Cy_Tolliver said:

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Another thing that seems weird - seems like someone who purchased such a massive cache of arms would be known to some gun dealers and sellers.

I don't own nearly that volume, but the people I know who are gun enthusiasts and own anything approaching what this guy had know tons of people in the business. No one seems to know this guy at all.

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They have already interviewed a gun store owner/FFL that sold him a shotgun. Said the guy gave off absolutely no reasons for concern.

FBI is actively working to bring GF back to US, per Sheriff

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Sheriff just said he is absolutely positive he will share the motive...he can't now due to ongoing investigation

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Which would imply what?

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Sheriff just said he is absolutely positive he will share the motive...he can't now due to ongoing investigation

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Well now that is interesting. That nutjob planned this so well he probably left a video manifesto or something.

He also said, even if I say i dont know right now, I probably do know.

Agnzona said:

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Not likely when his neighbor talked to him about guns and going to the range he showed no interest. A gun enthusiasts would be look at my cool guns.

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Unless....you are an illegal gun runner....but want everyone to think you have no interest in guns (like his brother did - which was obviously totally wrong).....then it makes perfect sense.

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Sheriff just said he is absolutely positive he will share the motive...he can't now due to ongoing investigation

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Well now that is interesting. That nutjob planned this so well he probably left a video manifesto or something.

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He apparently videoed the entire thing in his hotel room. No telling what's on that.

Can we have a thread for conspiracy theories?

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He also said, even if I say i dont know right now, I probably do know.

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Seems like an odd thing to say...

It's always the postal workers.....

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The Las Vegas gunman who killed nearly 60 people at a country music festival worked as a letter carrier for the U.S. Postal Service, an IRS agent and in an auditing department over a 10-year period.

A spokeswoman for the Office of Personnel Management told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Stephen Paddock's employment included about two years as a mail carrier from 1976 to 1978.

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http://www.dailywire.com/news/21893/just-vegas-shooter-was-former-irs-agent-letter-amanda-prestigiacomo

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GeorgePlimpton said:

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Very Tolerant Nice Guy said:

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I play Poker a ton, absolutely love the game; but I know what Tilt can do to a person. It can really drive you nuts, and I'm playing $2/$4, this guy is playing $10,000 a day. I've felt like punching my fist through the computer screen or a fellow player multiple times. Maybe this dude just snapped and felt like taking his rage out?

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Is there a chance this is all this was? Dude got caught up in it one night and lost everything. Millions gone on one hand or something. That might cause anyone to snap.


Also I can see going crazy if you lived full time in one of those casinos. No daylight, that oxygen getting pumped in, no idea what time it is, the bright lights. Even a couple days in one makes you start to lose it

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This guy didn't just snap and decide to shoot up a concert. This was planned out. Look at the placement of the broomstick on the one rifle. He had been to the range and set those weapons up well before hand. Anybody in the military or owns a AR platform knows you just don't take them out of the box and start shooting. One of the rifles has an EO tech optic on it, the other a scope, once again very well thought out and planned. If I were to just snap, I'd go buy a gun some mags and ammo and just start shooting.

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If the goal is to shoot into a large crowd, there is no need to sight in the rifle, straight out of the box is more than accurate enough to get the job done.

It doesn't mean that he wasn't a gun nut and had lots of nice toys attached to his ARs, but it doesn't mean that each one was brought in for a specific task.

Charpie said:

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Can we have a thread for conspiracy theories?

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IDK, why did you delete my thread poking fun at them?

aTmAg said:

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Conspiracy theorists remind me of Scientologists

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They're 1000 times worse.

I once tried to explain why TWA800 was not shot down by a Stinger or SA-7, and was accused of being part of the coverup, if not the "shoot down" itself.