good for them. all of the credible evidence says otherwise at this point.

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Wycliffe_03 said:

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BigHitterDaLama said:

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https://instagr.am/p/BZyynbSFqfG

Photoshopped or real?

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I think if there were ANY other missing windows aside from the known 2...it would be huge national news right now. There is no way that this would be covered up or ignored.

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Not that I believe any of this, but if it was an inside job or cover-up, the windows don't really matter. The roads were blocked off, people were locked down, it was at night, etc. Those windows could have been replaced very quickly and nobody would have known.

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No, they could not. You don't just walk up to a high rise window and swap it out. They are (usually) done from the OUTSIDE, not the inside during daylight. Someone would have noticed.

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Nuh-uhhh...not if the reptilian people send out a hypnotizing sound beam that put everyone in the town in a temporary trance for about 30 minutes or so. Then they could do anything and no one would have any recollection of it.

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well I'll concede that scenario...but nothing else...

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Then STFU with crackpot theories.

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I have no theories. Show me one of the theories that I've posted. All I've said is that with ingenuity, technology, the cover of darkness and chaos, roads being closed and people being locked down, anything is possible. You have magicians in Vegas pulling off slight of hand and massive illusions without all the other factors.

While I don't believe anything shady is going on, and it's not probable, anything is possible.

Edit - I can't wait for the person to imply that I now believe magic and magicians are involved. For a board that I usually like, a lot is being misconstrued on this thread.

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Then stop posting stupid crap like 10' tall 600lb windows 12-stories up can be replaced an no one would notice

If he filmed himself doing the shooting then this was a crackpot specifically looking to "set the record" and have his name go down in history/infamy. Again, if the case, I am sure he was counting on the footage he shot making it out on the interwebs eventually.

So they don't know where she is? Haven't seen that reported.

I was reading a Daily Mail article when they showed a random picture of MB from today:




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

I'm not going to start a new thread on it, but there was nothing wrong with the window thread where I was mocking conspiracy nuts on here. Shame on you for taking it down.

If you are going to start deleting suff then clean up the garbage on this thread too with crazy grassy knoll theories.

Marcus Aurelius said:

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aggiepanic95 said:

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Thought she was in Japan...Tokyo. Has that been debunked?

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Her whereabouts unknown now. I was surmising she was in Phillipines cuz the $100,000 sent there

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Where did you see this?

FriscoKid said:

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I'm not going to start a new thread on it, but there was nothing wrong with the window thread where I was mocking conspiracy nuts on here. Shame on you for taking it down.

If you are going to start deleting suff then clean up the garbage on this thread too with crazy grassy knoll theories.

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People are going to speculate when facts are sparse.

I'm more of a two day rule type person but speculation is just the nature of it. It seems kinda weird to feel the need to "police" people discussing scenarios.

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Where did those come from? Those are the same clothes he was wearing in the suicide photo posted on liveleak.

FireAg said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Video news is... interesting. Wondering if it was wifi enabled and streamed to someone somewhere.

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Except they have said he had no online persona at all...

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We know the following about this guy:

No online presence
Clean record
Professional gambler
No political affiliation
No religious affiliation
Last married in 1990
Retired and living in a retirement home
Apparently estranged from family
Multimillionaire real estate investor
Foreign girlfriend who is out of the country
An absolutely ridiculous arsenal in the hotel room when he really only needed 4 or 5 weapons max
A family history of psychopathy

Everything about this guy is fishy to the point where I'm convinced that he was a fall guy. There are way too many coincidences about this guy because all of the above basically sets up for him to have zero motive to do this. The Whitman explanation doesn't work because this was clearly planned for months so it was not just a spur of the moment thing where he just snapped.

Why would this guy kill himself instead of going out in a blaze of glory after shooting indiscriminately into a crowd and killing innocents?

Everything about this shooting is different from just about every other shooting in the past. Those all had motives or reasons whereas there appears to be a near total information blackout about this guy. To me it means one of a few things:

1. He has connections to terrorist groups, which would explain the lack of an online presence.
2. He's an arms dealer.
3. It was an inside job and he was not the actual shooter, just the fall guy.

What happens if these guns turn up to be from Fast and Furious?

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Mr. Paddock had purchased some guns in Arizona, according to a gun seller there who spoke with the authorities.

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ballchain said:

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Why didn't everyone see muzzle blasts on the 32nd floor

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compensator

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fify

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Marcus Aurelius said:

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aggiepanic95 said:

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Thought she was in Japan...Tokyo. Has that been debunked?

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Her whereabouts unknown now. I was surmising she was in Phillipines cuz the $100,000 sent there

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Where did you see this?

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Fox - story now.

"Investigators are looking into whether Paddock sent the cash to Danley amid conflicting reports she's in either the Philippines or Japan, the officials said."

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Gota De Limon said:

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The video news is old. Is fox just picking up on this? I heard that he had filmed himself on the radio this morning before 7 AM.

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stfu already

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Huh? What in the world are you upset about?

It's been public info that he had cameras set up in the hallway since yesterday and that he was filming the attack since sometime overnight. I was wondering if the poster forgot to post more info regarding the video or some such

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Why didn't everyone see muzzle blasts on the 32nd floor

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FLASH HIDER

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muzzle break

there's still flash either way

not that I'm buying any of this nonsense though

Fox says FBI interviewed a relative of the "girlfriend" and they said the guy made them uncomfortable and he seemed unstable.

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FriscoKid said:

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I'm not going to start a new thread on it, but there was nothing wrong with the window thread where I was mocking conspiracy nuts on here. Shame on you for taking it down.

If you are going to start deleting suff then clean up the garbage on this thread too with crazy grassy knoll theories.

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People are going to speculate when facts are sparse.

I'm more of a two day rule type person but speculation is just the nature of it. It seems kinda weird to feel the need to "police" people discussing scenarios.

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So what's wrong with taking it one step further with photoshops and poking fun at them for suggesting that windows are being replaced in the middle of the night to conceal the location of the shooter? No reason for that thread to have been removed by the moderators. It was no worse than the stuff in this thread.

Marcus Aurelius said:

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FireAg said:

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Marcus Aurelius said:

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aggiepanic95 said:

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Thought she was in Japan...Tokyo. Has that been debunked?

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Her whereabouts unknown now. I was surmising she was in Phillipines cuz the $100,000 sent there

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Where did you see this?

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Fox - story now.

"Investigators are looking into whether Paddock sent the cash to Danley amid conflicting reports she's in either the Philippines or Japan, the officials said."

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If they don't know where she is, then who did they speak to that claimed to be her?

Gota De Limon said:

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ThatOneAg said:

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Gota De Limon said:

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The video news is old. Is fox just picking up on this? I heard that he had filmed himself on the radio this morning before 7 AM.

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stfu already

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Huh? What in the world are you upset about?

It's been public info that he had cameras set up in the hallway since yesterday and that he was filming the attack since sometime overnight. I was wondering if the poster forgot to post more info regarding the video or some such

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NAP Violator said:

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FireAg said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Video news is... interesting. Wondering if it was wifi enabled and streamed to someone somewhere.

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Except they have said he had no online persona at all...

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We know the following about this guy:

No online presence
Clean record
Professional gambler
No political affiliation
No religious affiliation
Last married in 1990
Retired and living in a retirement home
Apparently estranged from family
Multimillionaire real estate investor
Foreign girlfriend who is out of the country
An absolutely ridiculous arsenal in the hotel room when he really only needed 4 or 5 weapons max
A family history of psychopathy

Everything about this guy is fishy to the point where I'm convinced that he was a fall guy. There are way too many coincidences about this guy because all of the above basically sets up for him to have zero motive to do this. The Whitman explanation doesn't work because this was clearly planned for months so it was not just a spur of the moment thing where he just snapped.

Why would this guy kill himself instead of going out in a blaze of glory after shooting indiscriminately into a crowd and killing innocents?

Everything about this shooting is different from just about every other shooting in the past. Those all had motives or reasons whereas there appears to be a near total information blackout about this guy. To me it means one of a few things:

1. He has connections to terrorist groups, which would explain the lack of an online presence.
2. He's an arms dealer.
3. It was an inside job and he was not the actual shooter, just the fall guy.

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The real question is how we know so little about him after two days of this being the biggest story in the world. I'm pretty convinced that illegal arms dealer makes the most sense right now

NAP Violator said:

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FireAg said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Video news is... interesting. Wondering if it was wifi enabled and streamed to someone somewhere.

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Except they have said he had no online persona at all...

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We know the following about this guy:

No online presence
Clean record
Professional gambler
No political affiliation
No religious affiliation
Last married in 1990
Retired and living in a retirement home
Apparently estranged from family
Multimillionaire real estate investor
Foreign girlfriend who is out of the country
An absolutely ridiculous arsenal in the hotel room when he really only needed 4 or 5 weapons max
A family history of psychopathy

Everything about this guy is fishy to the point where I'm convinced that he was a fall guy. There are way too many coincidences about this guy because all of the above basically sets up for him to have zero motive to do this. The Whitman explanation doesn't work because this was clearly planned for months so it was not just a spur of the moment thing where he just snapped.

Why would this guy kill himself instead of going out in a blaze of glory after shooting indiscriminately into a crowd and killing innocents?

Everything about this shooting is different from just about every other shooting in the past. Those all had motives or reasons whereas there appears to be a near total information blackout about this guy. To me it means one of a few things:

1. He has connections to terrorist groups, which would explain the lack of an online presence.
2. He's an arms dealer.
3. It was an inside job and he was not the actual shooter, just the fall guy.

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Arms or drug runner or both seems like a good fit.

Using his airplanes to run weapons and drugs.

Gambling as a cover for his real source of income.

No online presence.

No business associates, I don't think he made it investing in real estate. He has no public business front.

Former career as accountant specializing in audits, ideal back ground for money laundering.

Lots of high dollar currency exchanges reported to oversight authorities (over 200 from one source).

Father was FBI most wanted and fugitive, taught him a thing or two along with inherited anti-social behavior.


BUT, even if he was a crime boss or something, it doesn't explain why go a killing spree? Motive for mass murder is still not clear.

It was probably just your approach, not necessarily the content.

GeorgePlimpton said:

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NAP Violator said:

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FireAg said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Video news is... interesting. Wondering if it was wifi enabled and streamed to someone somewhere.

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Except they have said he had no online persona at all...

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We know the following about this guy:

No online presence
Clean record
Professional gambler
No political affiliation
No religious affiliation
Last married in 1990
Retired and living in a retirement home
Apparently estranged from family
Multimillionaire real estate investor
Foreign girlfriend who is out of the country
An absolutely ridiculous arsenal in the hotel room when he really only needed 4 or 5 weapons max
A family history of psychopathy

Everything about this guy is fishy to the point where I'm convinced that he was a fall guy. There are way too many coincidences about this guy because all of the above basically sets up for him to have zero motive to do this. The Whitman explanation doesn't work because this was clearly planned for months so it was not just a spur of the moment thing where he just snapped.

Why would this guy kill himself instead of going out in a blaze of glory after shooting indiscriminately into a crowd and killing innocents?

Everything about this shooting is different from just about every other shooting in the past. Those all had motives or reasons whereas there appears to be a near total information blackout about this guy. To me it means one of a few things:

1. He has connections to terrorist groups, which would explain the lack of an online presence.
2. He's an arms dealer.
3. It was an inside job and he was not the actual shooter, just the fall guy.

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The real question is how we know so little about him after two days of this being the biggest story in the world. I'm pretty convinced that illegal arms dealer makes the most sense right now

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If he was an illegal arms dealer, I think he would probably have access to some better weapons. RPGs, automatics, etc.

digital_ag said:

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It was probably just your approach, not necessarily the content.

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Or someone just *****ed about it and they did the typical knee jerk reaction.

N said:

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Retired and living in a retirement home

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Lived in multiple retirement communities and has moved around with the girlfriend many times. Also spent weeks or months at a time staying in hotels while he gambled. Received tons of comps from casinos due to his volume of gambling.

NAP Violator said:

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FireAg said:

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AG 2000' said:

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Video news is... interesting. Wondering if it was wifi enabled and streamed to someone somewhere.

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Except they have said he had no online persona at all...

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We know the following about this guy:

No online presence
Clean record
Professional gambler
No political affiliation
No religious affiliation
Last married in 1990
Retired and living in a retirement home
Apparently estranged from family
Multimillionaire real estate investor
Foreign girlfriend who is out of the country
An absolutely ridiculous arsenal in the hotel room when he really only needed 4 or 5 weapons max
A family history of psychopathy

Everything about this guy is fishy to the point where I'm convinced that he was a fall guy. There are way too many coincidences about this guy because all of the above basically sets up for him to have zero motive to do this. The Whitman explanation doesn't work because this was clearly planned for months so it was not just a spur of the moment thing where he just snapped.

Why would this guy kill himself instead of going out in a blaze of glory after shooting indiscriminately into a crowd and killing innocents?

Everything about this shooting is different from just about every other shooting in the past. Those all had motives or reasons whereas there appears to be a near total information blackout about this guy. To me it means one of a few things:

1. He has connections to terrorist groups, which would explain the lack of an online presence.
2. He's an arms dealer.
3. It was an inside job and he was not the actual shooter, just the fall guy.

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The arsenal is indeed weird. Maybe he thought he'd be up there for a while and was worried about multiple rifles overheating from the bump stock?

No matter what- some people will always question the story and claim a conspiracy. Seems fairly black and white he did it (they prob have tons of tape I'm sure with him carrying bags up) and people will still 'Alex Jones' talk about this.

Aston04 said:

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No matter what- some people will always question the story and claim a conspiracy. Seems fairly black and white he did it (they prob have tons of tape I'm sure with him carrying bags up) and people will still 'Alex Jones' talk about this.

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Welcome to the age of the internet. There's not a single big news event that has occurred in the 21st century that hasn't had conspiracy theories linked to it.

Not a usual poster here, but my parents has their next door neighbor killed in the Killeen Luby's mass shooting and they never really were able to decide why that man did it. Some people are just plain evil and sociopathic.

agracer said:

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Then stop posting stupid crap like 10' tall 600lb windows 12-stories up can be replaced an no one would notice

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Can you open windows on lower levels of the hotel?