Shooting in Las Vegas

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drcrinum
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Watch the interview with Stephen Schuck, the Maintenance Man, on Page 124, only 5 minutes long, and then listen to the audio record of his communication on Page 125, slightly over a minute.

Schuck was called to investigate a fire door that wouldn't open -- only Campos (and Paddock) knew that, so Campos had to have called such info in for Schuck to be notified. Schuck comes down from a higher floor; Campos had to go to another floor, return to the 32nd floor and then go to the end of the corridor. When Schuck arrived on the 32nd floor and began walking down the corridor of the 100 wing, he heard shots. Then as he gets closer he sees Campos hiding in a door inlet/offset. Campos yells at him to take cover, and then the shots are fired through the door down the corridor, just missing Schuck. Schuck said the room door was closed at that time. Schuck calls the 'central' office and tells them about the shooting -- the audio recording. The shooting stops and Campos and Schuck move further away from the door. Security arrives, and more shooting occurs but not through the door into the corridor. Schuck takes his master keys, runs (apparently to another floor/perhaps the ground floor) and turns off the elevators, and then returns to give Security his master keys. (If you watch the 60 Minutes interview with the improvised SWAT Team, the officers responded to a report that Security at MB was under fire from the shooter(s).)

So there is a witness (Schuck) who saw Campos in the corridor and has reported they were being shot at through a closed door, and that shooting occurred again but not through the door. If you are going to implicate Campos in the plot, then you have to include Schuck. Then it is obvious from the above, Security was present as well while shooting was going on in the room.

So Paddock alone did the shooting. The 'Why' (motive), what other accomplices were involved (conspiracy), etc. are the unknowns.
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Good post. If Campos finds a stuck door worthy of calling maintenance, then it also makes sense that he's probably making a bit of a racket trying to unstick it - hence making it easier for Paddock to notice him (beyond potentially seeing him on camera).
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The Sheriff (Lombardo) is certainly contributing to the on-going conspiracy stories, be it intentional or unintentional...many believe that he is lying. Regarding Lombardo's background:

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He graduated from Rancho High School and earned his B.S. in civil engineering and a master's degree in crisis management from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. He is also a graduate of the FBI National Academy, the Las Vegas Sun reported.

If Lombardo's behavior is intentional and part of a disinformation campaign, an FBI technique designed to confuse others involved in a suspected conspiracy, then he is not very good at it. I saw an interesting comment at another site that bears on this issue:

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C. Lowell says:
October 14, 2017 at 10:35 am

Let's look at what's really going on here: there's a book called "Spy the Lie" based on work that was done in Langley.
https://www.amazon.com/Spy-Lie-Former-Officers-Deception/dp/1250029627/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1507991282&sr=1-1&keywords=spy+the+lie

The key to the methodology involves asking questions and then looking for involuntary, emotional, and reflex responses or "tells" immediately after the question is asked and as it is answered, before respondents can compose themselves. Once practiced in this technique, it becomes easy to spot those who are lying as most people have a built in need to tell the truth.

That's why this guy Lombardo is falling apart on the stage: he's lying, he's not good at it, so he's stressed. The lies are being dictated and directed by the FBI, so he's the unwilling dupe here he doesn't even want to tell these lies! They're not his lies! He's the victim! Can't you see that! I'm the victim! It's unfair! Why is this happening? I didn't become a law enforcement officer to do this!

Or something like that

Most people are programmed to tell the truth.

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I don't know if he is lying but in the last five days we went from Campos the hero, to Campos radioing gunfire 6 minutes before the concert shooting, which made MGM look horrible, to now it looks like a few seconds between Campos being fired on and the concert shooting started. Now MGM is not looking bad at all.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4980288/Hero-Las-Vegas-security-visits-quick-clinic.html
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Saying he went to a clinic.
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Reddit all over the security award photos saying it has a "Weekend at Bernie's" feel.
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Kimberly Suchomel found dead. She was at the concert and made a public statement about multiple gunmen.
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Dirty Pool
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Madman said:

Dirty Pool


Wish I could post link, but my wife has it on her tablet. Apparently the valet that parked Paddock's car has disappeared. Neon nettle; nnettle.com. No clue if it's fake or not.
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The guy from Hawaii that they scrubbed the news story i posted earlier?
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Madman said:

The guy from Hawaii that they scrubbed the news story i posted earlier?


I didn't see that post, so can't really say.
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Those pics of Campos are ..........FAKE..........
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I read she had pretty severe epilepsy, so maybe not that surprising?
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LisaMarie said:

I read she had pretty severe epilepsy, so maybe not that surprising?


It's certainly possible. With all of the other data points, it just seems particularly bizarre.
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Bald Messiah said:

Kimberly Suchomel found dead. She was at the concert and made a public statement about multiple gunmen.


That's some heavy and relevant stuff. Sources?
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TAMUallen said:

Bald Messiah said:

Kimberly Suchomel found dead. She was at the concert and made a public statement about multiple gunmen.


That's some heavy and relevant stuff. Sources?
Ummm... So..... I looked up Kimberely Suchomel earlier and there was a story about her in the Independent, including quotes of her posts about multiple gunmen. Now the page is scrubbed.

Here's a different source about her sudden death:

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/20171009/after-escaping-las-vegas-shooting-high-desert-phoenix-foundation-co-founder-dies-suddenly
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Bobcat06 said:

TAMUallen said:

Bald Messiah said:

Kimberly Suchomel found dead. She was at the concert and made a public statement about multiple gunmen.


That's some heavy and relevant stuff. Sources?
Ummm... So..... I looked up Kimberely Suchomel earlier and there was a story about her in the Independent, including quotes of her posts about multiple gunmen. Now the page is scrubbed.

Here's a different source about her sudden death:

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/20171009/after-escaping-las-vegas-shooting-high-desert-phoenix-foundation-co-founder-dies-suddenly



That's all kinds of weird. When can something normal, concrete or logical emerge? I don't mean a complete explanation but really any data point/s to connect this crazy occurrence. Or it doesn't even have to be logical or normal but something fitting or linear
drcrinum
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Coppell97 said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4980288/Hero-Las-Vegas-security-visits-quick-clinic.html
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Jesus Campos, the hero security guard who was shot in the Las Vegas hotel massacre, checked into a 'quick clinic' after vanishing moments before he was due to speak to the media for the first time since the attack.

The security guard is yet to be interviewed since he was shot by Stephen Paddock on October 1 on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel.

On Thursday, Campos was due to appear at a press conference after being given an award for his bravery but he disappeared.

His union representative revealed on Saturday that Campos was taken to a clinic shortly afterwards but he did not know which.


The Union is certainly providing cover for Campos. First the 'award ceremony' with the photos, and now this.
Why the Union and not MB? Well, the answer may be 'publicity':

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On December 9, 2016, the Mandalay Bay Casino Security Professionals voted 2 to 1 to join the SPFPA Family. This historic victory makes them the first ever Casino Security Professionals to unionize in Las Vegas.

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Is this Campos guy autistic or something? He just looks off in every photo of him. Like he can't smile and he just has a blank stare. Still traumatized?
drcrinum
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bmks270 said:

Is this Campos guy autistic or something? He just looks off in every photo of him. Like he can't smile and he just has a blank stare. Still traumatized?
Likely pain meds.
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I could defintely smile if I was on hydrocondone...
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Trying to keep from screaming in pain bc the doctor only prescribed ibuprofen 800 for a gunshot wound because junkies.
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Amazing, the guy goes away and nobody shows up to ask questions on his missing. Nobody but a unknown female and her friend with a camera. People who know stuff are dying at home alone and again nobody cares. I guess in about a week or so this will all go away until the next event.
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Gun-free Zone signs were posted on the top floors of the Mandalay Bay hotel (Four Seasons Resort on floors 35-39) on the day that Paddock checked into the hotel.

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With a separate entrance and accessed by private express elevators, Four Seasons Hotel offers stylish renovated guest rooms located on the top floors of the Mandalay Bay tower.
One of the owners of Four Seasons is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal.
drcrinum
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/wayne-allyn-root/commentary-more-questions-surrounding-the-las-vegas-strip-shooting/

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The readers of my column are well aware I'm not a fan of MGM CEO Jim Murren. I've called him "the worst CEO in America" because he entangled his company in radical leftist politics including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, an organization tied to terror and called by many experts a front group for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Murren was appointed by Barack Obama to the Homeland Security Council. From that perch, Murren had insider access to the detailed threats aimed at Vegas. What did he do to prepare and adequately safeguard his guests?

Several MGM security guards and ex-security guards have called my radio show in recent days. They described MGM's security as "woefully under-trained and understaffed." One ex-MGM security guard called to say Murren's first act in taking over Luxor and Mandalay Bay was to disarm most of the guards and declare MGM hotels "gun-free" zones. Maybe that's why the shooter chose Mandalay Bay.

Did the shooter choose a MGM property because VIP high roller clients were free to use service elevators, thereby avoiding scrutiny?

SEC records for September reveal more than $200 million in stock selloffs from MGM officers and directors. From July 31 to early September, Murren sold more than 80 percent of his MGM stock.

Also in September, while MGM's CEO and insiders were selling off huge amounts of their own company stock, MGM announced a billion-dollar stock buyback program. In other words, they used "other people's money" to buy back MGM stock on the open market to prop up the price.

Interesting details. More info in the article.

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That is interesting. Are there any pro-2nd-amendment LV hotel owners?
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BlueMiles said:

That is interesting. Are there any pro-2nd-amendment LV hotel owners?


Sheldon Adelson & Steve Wynn
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Thanks for the reply

Am I confused though? I thought Wynn set up TSA-like security recently.
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I haven't diligently kept up with every minute detail, but have tried to keep up with this story. I'm royally confused. It's so *********disrespectful to the victims and their families how all parties are handling this.
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Middle eastern terrorists with ties to left wing Americans did this attack, used Paddock as a pawn to throw to the bought media. Campos was very involved with shooting the 200 rounds and the death of Paddock. Crooked deal all around.
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Or mgm is going to be sued to high heaven and they don't want Campos to talk
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Mr_mo8268 said:

Middle eastern terrorists with ties to left wing Americans did this attack, used Paddock as a pawn to throw to the bought media. Campos was very involved with shooting the 200 rounds and the death of Paddock. Crooked deal all around.


I can't tell if this is a parody of a conspiracy theory or if you're actually serious.
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http://truepundit.com/mgm-threatens-legal-action-against-mandalay-bay-hero-security-guard-forbids-all-media-interviews/

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MGM Threatens Legal Action Against Mandalay Bay "Hero" Security Guard; Forbids ALL Media Interviews

Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos, lauded as the hero who stopped the rampage of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock, is now under a gag order from hotel conglomerate MGM forbidding him from speaking to the media, according to a Clark County law enforcement veteran.

Campos, who vanished last night mysteriously moments before going live on air with Sean Hannity of FOX, has been directed by MGM to not give any press interviews.The 25-yr-old Campos has not been spotted in public since.MGM owns the Mandalay Bay Hotel.

A Clark County Distinct Attorney's Office veteran told True Pundit, the gag order was likely requested by the FBI through MGM.

The gag order could be temporary, the source said, but doubted it would be lifted until the FBI, Clark County Sheriff's Office and MGM get their facts straight about the shooter's timeline which has been altered several times since the shooting almost two weeks ago.

So, I guess we won't be hearing from Campos. Too much CYA going on.


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