light_bulb said:

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Affirm that there is reasonable possibility of ECT hell. That those you evangelize should know it is a possibility and what that means.

Common Dermdoc. Affirm it. Otherwise, don't consider yourself a "hopeful" universalist, that which you actually just think is hard universalism

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I will evangelize like Paul and the apostles did in Acts. Never mentioned ECT hell. And if you are not there, I really hope you find the peace that can only come from Christ. The Kingdom of God is here. Now. And if you are trolling me I don't care

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light_bulb said:

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Affirm that there is reasonable possibility of ECT hell. That those you evangelize should know it is a possibility and what that means.

Common Dermdoc. Affirm it. Otherwise, don't consider yourself a "hopeful" universalist, that which you actually just think is hard universalism

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I will evangelize like Paul and the apostles did in Acts. Never mentioned ECT hell.

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But you said you couldn't have ever had kids if Gods perfect justice did imply eternal hell. I'm sure you have reconciled that?

light_bulb said:

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dermdoc said:

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light_bulb said:

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Affirm that there is reasonable possibility of ECT hell. That those you evangelize should know it is a possibility and what that means.

Common Dermdoc. Affirm it. Otherwise, don't consider yourself a "hopeful" universalist, that which you actually just think is hard universalism

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I will evangelize like Paul and the apostles did in Acts. Never mentioned ECT hell.

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But you said you couldn't have ever had kids if Gods perfect justice did imply eternal hell. I'm sure you have reconciled that?

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You can't reason with him. Don't bother. He would rather predicate his beliefs on the writings and postulations of saints and philosophers than on the words of Jesus Christ, which I have repeatedly quoted to him in this thread. He has heard/read the truth. He just refuses to believe it because it doesn't accord with his emotional preferences. There is nothing you can do for someone like that.

So my view of hell is going to send me there? Just curious. Where is that in Scripture?

And I still want to know where the age of accountability that you mentioned is anywhere in Scripture. Thanks.

We disagree. But we are brothers in Christ and I love you.

AozorAg said:

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So my view of hell is going to send me there? Just curious. Where is that in Scripture?

And I still want to know where the age of accountability that you mentioned is anywhere in Scripture. Thanks.

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Once again with the straw manning and putting words in my mouth. You're either intellectually dishonest or have major reading comprehension issues. I never said you are going to hell for your belief about hell, or lack thereof. You can't point to a single place I've said that or even implied it. But what I am saying is that, while claiming to be a Christian, you are denying the words of Jesus Christ with respect to eternal consequences for rejecting God. You just repeatedly obfuscate and ignore them, even when your belief is logically defeated from a Christian standpoint, which it has been ad nauseam in this thread. There is nothing that can be done to reason with somebody who has heard the truth, understood the truth, and rejected it anyway.

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So if I did that what does that mean to my eternal destination?
I mean, according to you I rejected the truth.

And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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So my view of hell is going to send me there? Just curious. Where is that in Scripture?

And I still want to know where the age of accountability that you mentioned is anywhere in Scripture. Thanks.

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Once again with the straw manning and putting words in my mouth. You're either intellectually dishonest or have major reading comprehension issues. I never said you are going to hell for your belief about hell, or lack thereof. You can't point to a single place I've said that or even implied it. But what I am saying is that, while claiming to be a Christian, you are denying the words of Jesus Christ with respect to eternal consequences for rejecting God. You just repeatedly obfuscate and ignore them, even when your belief is logically defeated from a Christian standpoint, which it has been ad nauseam in this thread. There is nothing that can be done to reason with somebody who has heard the truth, understood the truth, and rejected it anyway.

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So if I did that what does that mean to my eternal destination?
I mean, according to you I rejected the truth.

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You reject Christ

You may have no desire to expound, but curious to hear what's behind this part if you care to share:

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The following are the musings of a damned, hopeless, drunkard

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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So my view of hell is going to send me there? Just curious. Where is that in Scripture?

And I still want to know where the age of accountability that you mentioned is anywhere in Scripture. Thanks.

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Once again with the straw manning and putting words in my mouth. You're either intellectually dishonest or have major reading comprehension issues. I never said you are going to hell for your belief about hell, or lack thereof. You can't point to a single place I've said that or even implied it. But what I am saying is that, while claiming to be a Christian, you are denying the words of Jesus Christ with respect to eternal consequences for rejecting God. You just repeatedly obfuscate and ignore them, even when your belief is logically defeated from a Christian standpoint, which it has been ad nauseam in this thread. There is nothing that can be done to reason with somebody who has heard the truth, understood the truth, and rejected it anyway.

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So if I did that what does that mean to my eternal destination?
I mean, according to you I rejected the truth.

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I don't know. I can't predict your eternal destination. Not believing certain aspects of Jesus' teachings might not affect your salvation. I have no idea.

I am merely pointing out that if we're operating within the confines of Christianity, what Jesus says is the truth. You've categorically reject what he says about eternal consequences for rejecting him.

light_bulb said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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So my view of hell is going to send me there? Just curious. Where is that in Scripture?

And I still want to know where the age of accountability that you mentioned is anywhere in Scripture. Thanks.

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Once again with the straw manning and putting words in my mouth. You're either intellectually dishonest or have major reading comprehension issues. I never said you are going to hell for your belief about hell, or lack thereof. You can't point to a single place I've said that or even implied it. But what I am saying is that, while claiming to be a Christian, you are denying the words of Jesus Christ with respect to eternal consequences for rejecting God. You just repeatedly obfuscate and ignore them, even when your belief is logically defeated from a Christian standpoint, which it has been ad nauseam in this thread. There is nothing that can be done to reason with somebody who has heard the truth, understood the truth, and rejected it anyway.

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So if I did that what does that mean to my eternal destination?
I mean, according to you I rejected the truth.

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You reject Christ

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No I don't. I reject ECT hell. Totally different thing. Christ is in me and I am in him. I ask again, where in Scripture is the age of accountability?

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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So my view of hell is going to send me there? Just curious. Where is that in Scripture?

And I still want to know where the age of accountability that you mentioned is anywhere in Scripture. Thanks.

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Once again with the straw manning and putting words in my mouth. You're either intellectually dishonest or have major reading comprehension issues. I never said you are going to hell for your belief about hell, or lack thereof. You can't point to a single place I've said that or even implied it. But what I am saying is that, while claiming to be a Christian, you are denying the words of Jesus Christ with respect to eternal consequences for rejecting God. You just repeatedly obfuscate and ignore them, even when your belief is logically defeated from a Christian standpoint, which it has been ad nauseam in this thread. There is nothing that can be done to reason with somebody who has heard the truth, understood the truth, and rejected it anyway.

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So if I did that what does that mean to my eternal destination?
I mean, according to you I rejected the truth.

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I don't know. I can't predict your eternal destination. Not believing certain aspects of Jesus' teachings might not affect your salvation. I have no idea.

I am merely pointing out that if we're operating within the confines of Christianity, what Jesus says is the truth. You've categorically reject what he says about eternal consequences for rejecting him.

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You do understand that if you read the church fathers, saints, and theologians for centuries that ultimate reconciliation is there. Not the majority but there. And from your posts I assume you are Southern Baptist. I am also. Been deacon chair twice. Taught Sunday school for years.

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You may have no desire to expound, but curious to hear what's behind this part if you care to share:

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The following are the musings of a damned, hopeless, drunkard

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There is no hope for me. God should put me in ECT hell and it would be just.

And I am old and going to bed. Shalom my brother in Christ.

light_bulb said:

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The Banned said:

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You may have no desire to expound, but curious to hear what's behind this part if you care to share:

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The following are the musings of a damned, hopeless, drunkard

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There is no hope for me. God should put me in ECT hell and it would be just.

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He loves you more than anything you have loved in your life.

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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So my view of hell is going to send me there? Just curious. Where is that in Scripture?

And I still want to know where the age of accountability that you mentioned is anywhere in Scripture. Thanks.

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Once again with the straw manning and putting words in my mouth. You're either intellectually dishonest or have major reading comprehension issues. I never said you are going to hell for your belief about hell, or lack thereof. You can't point to a single place I've said that or even implied it. But what I am saying is that, while claiming to be a Christian, you are denying the words of Jesus Christ with respect to eternal consequences for rejecting God. You just repeatedly obfuscate and ignore them, even when your belief is logically defeated from a Christian standpoint, which it has been ad nauseam in this thread. There is nothing that can be done to reason with somebody who has heard the truth, understood the truth, and rejected it anyway.

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So if I did that what does that mean to my eternal destination?
I mean, according to you I rejected the truth.

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I don't know. I can't predict your eternal destination. Not believing certain aspects of Jesus' teachings might not affect your salvation. I have no idea.

I am merely pointing out that if we're operating within the confines of Christianity, what Jesus says is the truth. You've categorically reject what he says about eternal consequences for rejecting him.

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You do understand that if you read the church fathers, saints, and theologians for centuries that ultimate reconciliation is there. Not the majority but there. And from your posts I assume you are Southern Baptist. I am also. Been deacon chair twice. Taught Sunday school for years.

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I am most definitely not southern Baptist.

AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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So my view of hell is going to send me there? Just curious. Where is that in Scripture?

And I still want to know where the age of accountability that you mentioned is anywhere in Scripture. Thanks.

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Once again with the straw manning and putting words in my mouth. You're either intellectually dishonest or have major reading comprehension issues. I never said you are going to hell for your belief about hell, or lack thereof. You can't point to a single place I've said that or even implied it. But what I am saying is that, while claiming to be a Christian, you are denying the words of Jesus Christ with respect to eternal consequences for rejecting God. You just repeatedly obfuscate and ignore them, even when your belief is logically defeated from a Christian standpoint, which it has been ad nauseam in this thread. There is nothing that can be done to reason with somebody who has heard the truth, understood the truth, and rejected it anyway.

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So if I did that what does that mean to my eternal destination?
I mean, according to you I rejected the truth.

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I don't know. I can't predict your eternal destination. Not believing certain aspects of Jesus' teachings might not affect your salvation. I have no idea.

I am merely pointing out that if we're operating within the confines of Christianity, what Jesus says is the truth. You've categorically reject what he says about eternal consequences for rejecting him.

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You do understand that if you read the church fathers, saints, and theologians for centuries that ultimate reconciliation is there. Not the majority but there. And from your posts I assume you are Southern Baptist. I am also. Been deacon chair twice. Taught Sunday school for years.

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I am most definitely not southern Baptist.

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May I ask what you are then?

dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

light_bulb said:

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The Banned said:

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You may have no desire to expound, but curious to hear what's behind this part if you care to share:

Quote:

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The following are the musings of a damned, hopeless, drunkard

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There is no hope for me. God should put me in ECT hell and it would be just.

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It's the internet, so clearly I don't have to give you permission not to share, but I do want to make it clear I'm not trying to prove a point or be uncharitable. Please don't answer if you don't want to:

Why is there no hope for you?

AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

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So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

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So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

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Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

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So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

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Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

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So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

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Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.

AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

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So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

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Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

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So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

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Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.

AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

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So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

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Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.about Scripture talking about an age of accountability. I was taught that belief but am not aware of any

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.

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No I don't. God is perfectly just, merciful, and loving. And I am genuinely curious about Scripture stating an exact age of accountability.

Enjoy your Sunday my brother in Christ!

dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

---

There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

---

I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

---

So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

---

Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.about Scripture talking about an age of accountability. I was taught that belief but am not aware of any

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.

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No I don't. God is perfectly just, merciful, and loving. And I am genuinely curious about Scripture stating an exact age of accountability.

Enjoy your Sunday my brother in Christ!

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I've already directly addressed that question in this thread. You are just trolling now. It's a bad look.

AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

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There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

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I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

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I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

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So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

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Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.about Scripture talking about an age of accountability. I was taught that belief but am not aware of any

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.

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No I don't. God is perfectly just, merciful, and loving. And I am genuinely curious about Scripture stating an exact age of accountability.

Enjoy your Sunday my brother in Christ!

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I've already directly addressed that question in this thread. You are just trolling now. It's a bad look.

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Here is a link with actual verses. And I am not trolling.
https://www.gotquestions.org/age-of-accountability.html

dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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AozorAg said:

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dermdoc said:

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And no strawman. I seriously want to know where the age of accountability is in Scripture. Love you my brother in Christ.

---

There is plenty of biblical support for the notion that young children are innocent in the eyes of God. If you don't know this, you've never opened a Bible. I'm not going to quote it to you because you and I both know it won't matter to you. Just as you reject the quoted words of Jesus about eternal consequences, you will reject the scriptures that support an age of accountability.

I also find it very dishonest that you are so set on making me provide you biblical support for an age of accountability, while at the same time you outright reject the words of Jesus Christ from the Gospels about eternal consequences. Very intellectually inconsistent.

---

I have done Bible in a year for 15 years. We disagree. I am not dishonest. You just don't like me and frankly are getting emotional.

Shalom and good night.

---

I don't get emotional. Reading the Bible 15 times doesn't mean anything as a Christian if you ignore the teachings of Jesus. It is indeed intellectually dishonest of you to reject Jesus' many biblical teachings about eternal consequences that I quoted to you (for which you had no rebuttal), but then turn around and demand biblical support for the notion of an age of accountability. In fact that may be the actual definition of intellectual dishonesty. Here is the definition from Google:

"Intellectual dishonesty means failing to apply honest, rigorous standards to one's own thinking, often to protect cherished beliefs or advance an agenda, by twisting facts, ignoring evidence, making illogical arguments, or pretending ignorance, rather than seeking truth objectively, even when you know better."

---

So there is no age of accountability in Scripture? Agree?
Or are you intellectually dishonest?

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Nope. I am perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. There is biblical support for eternal consequences, there is biblical support for an age of accountability, and I believe in both. I'm just not going to be baited into wasting my time laying out all of that scriptural support for you in this thread yet again, because I know it will make no difference, just like it didn't make any difference to you the last three times I did it.

Also, even if there was no biblical support for an age of accountability (and there is abundant support), it would not be intellectually dishonest of me to believe in it. If we momentarily pretend there isn't abundant biblical support for the idea, an age of accountability still makes perfect logical sense with the rest of scripture, and there is nothing in scripture that would preclude it. Conversely, ultimate reconciliation is expressly precluded by the words of Jesus Christ, but you believe in it anyway.

So you have it backwards. In the hypothetical non-existent world where there is no biblical support for age or accountability, I still believe in a concept that is perfectly consistent with the rest of scripture, in addition to believing the teachings of Jesus in scripture on eternal consequences. You, on the other hand, believe something that the express text of scripture precludes, while simultaneously telling me I need to cite scripture to you in order to support my age of accountability belief.

I am being perfectly intellectually honest and consistent. You are unfortunately not.

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.about Scripture talking about an age of accountability. I was taught that belief but am not aware of any

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Scriptures about the age of accountability?

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See my post you just quoted. There's plenty of it, but it won't change your mind, just like 15 quotes from Jesus about eternal consequences didn't change your mind.

Do you think a 1 year old child whose parents are atheists does not go to be with God if he dies in a car accident? I am genuinely curious.

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No I don't. God is perfectly just, merciful, and loving. And I am genuinely curious about Scripture stating an exact age of accountability.

Enjoy your Sunday my brother in Christ!

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I've already directly addressed that question in this thread. You are just trolling now. It's a bad look.

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Here is a link with actual verses. And I am not trolling.
https://www.gotquestions.org/age-of-accountability.html

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Yes, you are trolling.

Have been on here a long time and never been accused of trolling.Wrong and dumb but never been called a troll.

I kind of like it. Means maybe there is more to me than posters thought.

You need a giant helping of humble pie, homie. Derm disagrees with you. He has clearly, patiently, lovingly outlined his reasons for doing so. He has referenced other brilliant, well read Christian Theoligians who were fluent in Greek who have fully articulated their reasoning.


That doesn't mean they are right, of course, but it is a completely legitimate perspective.

I especially loved the part when you started ranting about intellectual honesty when you have clearly demonstrated on this thread that is a massive opportunity for improvement in your own life.

What exactly do you think you are accomplishing at this point?

Here is a link showing that although St. Augustine disagreed with the mesirecordes, or believers in ultimate reconciliation, he was very conciliatory to them and did not call them heretics. He respected their views.

He also did not accuse them of trolling, but not sure if that was a word back then.
https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2021/08/02/st-augustine-of-hippo-and-the-misericordes/

Derm, didn't you know? Origen was just **** posting for lulz.