PabloSerna said:

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DeProfundis said:

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PabloSerna said:

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DeProfundis said:

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PabloSerna said:

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DeProfundis said:

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PabloSerna said:

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DeProfundis said:

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I believe he has excommunicated himself from the Church with his material involvement in and promotion of one of the Catholic non-negotiable evils.

His bishop, Cardinal Wilton Gregory went as far as I've ever seen him in an interview this weekend and say he was a Cafeteria Catholic, pick and choosing what to follow and what to ignore. That was a big step, as Cdl Gregory is very reticent to speak out

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I see by your own hand that the commandment against bearing false witness means nothing to you. It should. Biden hasn't been excommunicated, but must have been thrilling to type such a lie.

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Tell me what you know about Latae Sententiae excommunication before you go about jousting against an argument I haven't made.

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Plenty. My accusation of your action remains. Biden has not been excommunicated.

ETA: read the exceptions for the full application of this offense.

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Why don't you just tell me? And articulate an argument?

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What you "believe" no one else that matters, meaning a Bishop, does. That should tell you everything.

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I once heard a homily years ago about how many of us are going to be surprised at who made it to heaven. I advise you to stop passing judgment and stick to your critical analysis.

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You're mistaking latae sententiae and ferendae sententiae. No formal decision is necessary, it is incurred immediately. I even explained my reasoning, Biden has willfully and materially cooperated in the celebration of and continuance of abortion. As such I believe he has excommunicated himself. Jesus Christ can do whatever he wants, He is Lord of All, we are bound by the Catechism, He is not.

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Did you read all of Cardinal Gregory's interview? He discussed this very topic. Funny thing- he didn't bring up excommunication. Being the Bishop that could make such a decision- is very important to a better understanding. So, again, you are just giving your take on it and it is a judgement.

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HumpitPuryear said:

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Aggrad08 said:

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Aggrad08 said:

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Yes our country is run by clowns-no argument from me. But that doesn't mean we should participate by making the same clownish arguments as long as it's in favor of the red or blue team.

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Ummm, I was talking about radicalization of the right. You're the one that made the clownish comment about Trump. I never mentioned Trump and only mentioned Biden related to his hostile comments about other Americans.

In my opinion Biden is the worst president at least in modern times. That's a statement of opinion, one held by a lot of Democrats as well as Republicans. I gave some quick examples of why I hold that opinion and why four more years is a risky proposition given the decline in the last three. You attacked me on my opinion and didn't address any of the facts supporting it. But I'm the crazy one. 10-4 little buddy. Have a nice weekend.

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I made no clownish comment and there is nothing I wrote that is factually incorrect that I can't defend.

You wrote that biden is the worst president in American history. A desperately ignorant take, and the one I responded to. Your reasons aren't particularly sound but hardly worth addressing in light of the absurdity of the statement. You are backtracking now to the last century, but I think that more or less proves how dumb the original take was.

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I accept your surrender so eloquently proffered.

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shsuAg12 said:

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I think Biden is by far the worst president. I'm having a hard time making ends meet, and he is busy pandering to transgenders?

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He's objectively not anywhere close to the worst and just how much do you think the President has to do with your personal situation?

I might add that corporate profits are at an all time high and the stock market has been doing well. Maybe, just maybe, corporate profiteering has a bit more to do with inflation than anything the POTUS does. And, our inflation, BTW, has been lower than many other countries.

Corporate profits rose to a new all time high in Q4 of 2023. pic.twitter.com/mIuxvfEwqr

— Kathy Jones (@KathyJones) March 28, 2024

This is the corporate profit index

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So you care more about corporations than people?

Now do inflation.

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PabloSerna said:

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DeProfundis said:

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PabloSerna said:

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DeProfundis said:

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PabloSerna said:

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DeProfundis said:

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PabloSerna said:

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DeProfundis said:

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PabloSerna said:

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I believe he has excommunicated himself from the Church with his material involvement in and promotion of one of the Catholic non-negotiable evils.

His bishop, Cardinal Wilton Gregory went as far as I've ever seen him in an interview this weekend and say he was a Cafeteria Catholic, pick and choosing what to follow and what to ignore. That was a big step, as Cdl Gregory is very reticent to speak out

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I see by your own hand that the commandment against bearing false witness means nothing to you. It should. Biden hasn't been excommunicated, but must have been thrilling to type such a lie.

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Tell me what you know about Latae Sententiae excommunication before you go about jousting against an argument I haven't made.

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Plenty. My accusation of your action remains. Biden has not been excommunicated.

ETA: read the exceptions for the full application of this offense.

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Why don't you just tell me? And articulate an argument?

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What you "believe" no one else that matters, meaning a Bishop, does. That should tell you everything.

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I once heard a homily years ago about how many of us are going to be surprised at who made it to heaven. I advise you to stop passing judgment and stick to your critical analysis.

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You're mistaking latae sententiae and ferendae sententiae. No formal decision is necessary, it is incurred immediately. I even explained my reasoning, Biden has willfully and materially cooperated in the celebration of and continuance of abortion. As such I believe he has excommunicated himself. Jesus Christ can do whatever he wants, He is Lord of All, we are bound by the Catechism, He is not.

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Did you read all of Cardinal Gregory's interview? He discussed this very topic. Funny thing- he didn't bring up excommunication. Being the Bishop that could make such a decision- is very important to a better understanding. So, again, you are just giving your take on it and it is a judgement.

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Cardinal Wilton Gregory does not have to excommunicate him. There is a reason that there are two different types of excommunication. He COULD make such a decision, in my opinion he SHOULD make such a decision, but Biden is still perfectly capable of excommunicating himself.

If I find an abortionist and drive a woman to the abortion; are you judging me by saying "that's textbook material cooperation with evil"? Of course not. When the Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, Biden immediately issued an executive order protecting abortion rights. And this is after his executive order directing the HHS to make sure the morning after pill remained available.

What do you call issuing an executive order to make sure people can get abortions?

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I am familiar with both types. I am saying that he did not excommunicate himself because he does not have full knowledge and therefore cannot incur the full penalty. You, however, claim he does- which I find impossible to believe- so who is committing the greater sin?

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shsuAg12 said:

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I think Biden is by far the worst president. I'm having a hard time making ends meet, and he is busy pandering to transgenders?

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He's objectively not anywhere close to the worst and just how much do you think the President has to do with your personal situation?

I might add that corporate profits are at an all time high and the stock market has been doing well. Maybe, just maybe, corporate profiteering has a bit more to do with inflation than anything the POTUS does. And, our inflation, BTW, has been lower than many other countries.

Corporate profits rose to a new all time high in Q4 of 2023. pic.twitter.com/mIuxvfEwqr

— Kathy Jones (@KathyJones) March 28, 2024

This is the corporate profit index

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So you care more about corporations than people?

Now do inflation.

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How's inflation in the U.S. compared to the rest of the world?

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Trump is to the left of Bill Clinton and has a lot more overlap with Barack Obama than does George Bush. I don't know what he does that people think is so conservative, and he can only be thought conservative in opposition to the Democrats who have gone so completely bat**** crazy it's not sane to use them to calibrate

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Trump isn't so much extreme right as he is an extreme moron.

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I think they have a word for those……demagogue. You know how you get one of those? Maybe by doing exactly what the left has done over the last 20 years. Did you somehow miss George W Bush, Mitt Romney and John McCain? How did that work out?

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PabloSerna said:

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I was told once, never to cite Canon Law, because very few even understand it.. however, this exception seems easy enough to understand:

Can. 1323 No one is liable to a penalty who, when violating a law or precept:
1 has not completed the sixteenth year of age;
2 was, without fault, ignorant of violating the law or precept; inadvertence and error are equivalent to ignorance;
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There are quite a few other exemptions, but I call your attention to #2. You are making the case (I will accept your deference on judgement, since I cannot know your heart- lest I make the same error) that Biden cannot be ignorant of the grave and moral evil that is abortion.

Here is why I say he must be- that he continues to refer to it as a woman's "choice" or "reproductive freedom." It was interesting that he choose those words instead of the word "abortion" at his recent State of the Union. This tells me that he is stuck on the lie that this is about human freedom instead of human life. Maybe you have never had to think about it that way, but for some (me at one time), the idea of denying a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason- seems bigger than the tiny cells quickly forming into a baby.

You and I (now) have a different understanding. We know (full knowledge) that only God gives life (Acts 17:25). That God has known us before we were in our mother's womb (Jer 1:5). So we could never issue such an executive order.

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Here is why I say he must be- that he continues to refer to it as a woman's "choice" or "reproductive freedom." It was interesting that he choose those words instead of the word "abortion" at his recent State of the Union. This tells me that he is stuck on the lie that this is about human freedom instead of human life.

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PabloSerna said:

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I was told once, never to cite Canon Law, because very few even understand it.. however, this exception seems easy enough to understand:

Can. 1323 No one is liable to a penalty who, when violating a law or precept:
1 has not completed the sixteenth year of age;
2 was, without fault, ignorant of violating the law or precept; inadvertence and error are equivalent to ignorance;
....

There are quite a few other exemptions, but I call your attention to #2. You are making the case (I will accept your deference on judgement, since I cannot know your heart- lest I make the same error) that Biden cannot be ignorant of the grave and moral evil that is abortion.

Here is why I say he must be- that he continues to refer to it as a woman's "choice" or "reproductive freedom." It was interesting that he choose those words instead of the word "abortion" at his recent State of the Union. This tells me that he is stuck on the lie that this is about human freedom instead of human life. Maybe you have never had to think about it that way, but for some (me at one time), the idea of denying a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason- seems bigger than the tiny cells quickly forming into a baby.

You and I (now) have a different understanding. We know (full knowledge) that only God gives life (Acts 17:25). That God has known us before we were in our mother's womb (Jer 1:5). So we could never issue such an executive order.

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Aggrad08 said:

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DeProfundis said:

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DeProfundis said:

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Trump is to the left of Bill Clinton and has a lot more overlap with Barack Obama than does George Bush. I don't know what he does that people think is so conservative, and he can only be thought conservative in opposition to the Democrats who have gone so completely bat**** crazy it's not sane to use them to calibrate

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Trump isn't so much extreme right as he is an extreme moron.

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I think they have a word for those……demagogue. You know how you get one of those? Maybe by doing exactly what the left has done over the last 20 years. Did you somehow miss George W Bush, Mitt Romney and John McCain? How did that work out?

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Demagoguery is just the start of trumps failings. You need not be a buffoon to be a demagogue, you only need to appeal to buffoons. Nor do I think populism and demagoguery are necessarily linked.

And again with the lack of accountability. The left didn't make conservatives vote for Trump anymore than they made them ignore desantis.

George bush won twice. Romney didn't do terrible, going against a charismatic first black presidential candidate after your own party was leaving the White House with low approval was a major uphill climb. I'm not really sure what revisionist history republicans are appealing to in order to act like they were throwing away an easy win.

McCain was a weak candidate and picking Sarah palin did him no favors. But once again, historically incumbents do very well and need quite low approval to get ousted as a one term president.

I don't know how you look upon that particular data set and think " see our only choice was a demagogue".

Democrats had losers in gore, Kerry, and Hillary during the same era. Do democrats get to make a similar excuse on account of their failed candidates?

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PabloSerna said:

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I was told once, never to cite Canon Law, because very few even understand it.. however, this exception seems easy enough to understand:

Can. 1323 No one is liable to a penalty who, when violating a law or precept:
1 has not completed the sixteenth year of age;
2 was, without fault, ignorant of violating the law or precept; inadvertence and error are equivalent to ignorance;
....

There are quite a few other exemptions, but I call your attention to #2. You are making the case (I will accept your deference on judgement, since I cannot know your heart- lest I make the same error) that Biden cannot be ignorant of the grave and moral evil that is abortion.

Here is why I say he must be- that he continues to refer to it as a woman's "choice" or "reproductive freedom." It was interesting that he choose those words instead of the word "abortion" at his recent State of the Union. This tells me that he is stuck on the lie that this is about human freedom instead of human life. Maybe you have never had to think about it that way, but for some (me at one time), the idea of denying a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason- seems bigger than the tiny cells quickly forming into a baby.

You and I (now) have a different understanding. We know (full knowledge) that only God gives life (Acts 17:25). That God has known us before we were in our mother's womb (Jer 1:5). So we could never issue such an executive order.

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DeProfundis said:

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PabloSerna said:

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I was told once, never to cite Canon Law, because very few even understand it.. however, this exception seems easy enough to understand:

Can. 1323 No one is liable to a penalty who, when violating a law or precept:
1 has not completed the sixteenth year of age;
2 was, without fault, ignorant of violating the law or precept; inadvertence and error are equivalent to ignorance;
....

There are quite a few other exemptions, but I call your attention to #2. You are making the case (I will accept your deference on judgement, since I cannot know your heart- lest I make the same error) that Biden cannot be ignorant of the grave and moral evil that is abortion.

Here is why I say he must be- that he continues to refer to it as a woman's "choice" or "reproductive freedom." It was interesting that he choose those words instead of the word "abortion" at his recent State of the Union. This tells me that he is stuck on the lie that this is about human freedom instead of human life. Maybe you have never had to think about it that way, but for some (me at one time), the idea of denying a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason- seems bigger than the tiny cells quickly forming into a baby.

You and I (now) have a different understanding. We know (full knowledge) that only God gives life (Acts 17:25). That God has known us before we were in our mother's womb (Jer 1:5). So we could never issue such an executive order.

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The words "abortion" are literally in his executive orders. If I were president and signed an EO to protect the death penalty, which had just been outlawed, you would be ripping your hair out and posting scripture about the sacredness of life etc etc. There's always nuance and benefit of the doubt for the progressives or leftists. The right gets the hammer

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