It's a sad state of affairs when even Haaretz and the encyclopedia of Jews in Eastern Europe are repeating antisemitic canards

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Are you denying the history and present reality of Jew hatred?

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I acknowledge this. Do you acknowledge Jewish hatred? For example, the thousands of YouTube videos of assaults upon Christians in Jerusalem? (And yes, it's common, if we consider spitting assault)

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We can use the term Juden Hass here if it makes you feel better.

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It's true I am highly triggered here. Marr was a bad guy. Too bad Zionists and Nazis followed his word usage. Meaning - linguistic to "racial."

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TheGreatEscape said:

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You read me.

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What does it mean that Reform Judaism is "not Semitic"?

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I mean that you were stating that Judaism is an ethnoreligion and I don't think Judeo-Christianity can't claim that as well.

And Abraham from the beginning brought in 318 previously trained men into the household of God who were not Semitic. Neither were the foreigners and the slaves that Abraham and his descendants would buy. For they too were to receive the sign of circumcision as a sign.

Moreover, what is a Jew if Abraham was elect of God in Genesis 12 before he was circumcised?

Wrong.

Detail it.

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Are you denying the history and present reality of Jew hatred?

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I acknowledge this. Do you acknowledge Jewish hatred? For example, the thousands of YouTube videos of assaults upon Christians in Jerusalem? (And yes, it's common, if we consider spitting assault)

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We can use the term Juden Hass here if it makes you feel better.

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It's true I am highly triggered here. Marr was a bad guy. Too bad Zionists and Nazis followed his word usage. Meaning - linguistic to "racial."

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Antisemitism is used the world over. It was never a "Nazi" and "Zionist" thing.

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Wrong.

Detail it.

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Here's a brief overview with sources.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#:~:text=Several%20genetic%20studies%20demonstrated%20that,Middle%20Eastern%20and%20European%20groups.

For the Apostolic faith - Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, the prophets worshipped Logos, Christ before Jesus. And these are the people Israel, as we strive to be today.

Pathetic.

Let's assume the usefulness of Wikipedia here (lol).

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and admixture and introgression with non-Jewish host populations.

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Ok bud.

Now -
Who is more closely related "racially" to 2nd Temple worshippers? Assuming we could determine.

Massive European immigration this past century
Or
Residents of Gaza

What would Reich say?
(He has, look it up)

TheGreatEscape said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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TheGreatEscape said:

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You read me.

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What does it mean that Reform Judaism is "not Semitic"?

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I mean that you were stating that Judaism is an ethnoreligion and I don't think Judeo-Christianity can't claim that as well.

And Abraham from the beginning brought in 318 previously trained men into the household of God who were not Semitic. Neither were the foreigners and the slaves that Abraham and his descendants would buy. For they too were to receive the sign of circumcision as a sign.

Moreover, what is a Jew if Abraham was elect of God in Genesis 12 before he was circumcised?

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I've already said Judaism allows conversion and those converts are adopted into the group. Again, ethnoreligion is an extremely ancient concept that doesn't fit neatly into the boxes of ethnicity or religion.

Christianity, on the other hand, like Islam, is not an ethnoreligion. There is no ethnic identity or culture around Christianity. Christianity is a proselytizing faith that works into the existing culture of an area.

Really?
Zionists and Nazis did not share a "racial" view of defining the large term "Jewish" (which I 100% reject) ….?
You believe this?

I ask again.
Ethno
Please refer to my specific question above.

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Pathetic.

Let's assume the usefulness of Wikipedia here (lol).

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and admixture and introgression with non-Jewish host populations.

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Ok bud.

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Are they only Jewish if they have 100% pure Jewish ancestry? I'm confused as to what your standards are? Jews entered diaspora. They intermarried some and maintained their traditions and their culture. Their heritage is traceable back to ancient Canaan.

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Really?
Zionists and Nazis did not share a "racial" view of defining the large term "Jewish" (which I 100% reject) ….?
You believe this?

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I just said the definition of antisemitism is used across the world. You perform some bizarre pirouette to try and tie Zionists and Nazis together again. I'm done for a bit. You're off the rails.

My standard is "best definition."
Ethnic - shared characteristics. IMO, rejection of the Nazarene as the organizing principle.
Much better than genetics, which exists and is limited.

Now, your definition? Ethno

This is not complicated:

Zionists AND Nazis used a "racial" definition.
And yes I've read Zionist early texts.
I reject this.
Marr bears bad fruit every day.

That's untrue. Remember the sign of the Prophet Jonah going to preach in Nineveh? They repented.

Or what about Daniel who preached revelation to the Babylonians?

What about Joseph who preached revelation to the Pharaoh in Egypt?

Historic Jews did evangelize.

Hahah. You are someone who is not a Jew trying to tell someone who is a Jew what a Jew is and refuse to go ad hoc with me.

Sapper, another couple of questions for you?

Since Abraham received the promise before circumcision…

Is a Jew a Jew by Faith? Or is a Jew a Jew by circumcision?

Second,

How are all the families of the earth going to be blessed by Abraham's Faith and seed without the preaching the Psalms declaring over and over again that the nations will rejoice in YHWH?

And how are physical-Jews being fruitful and multiplying according the command in Genesis 1:28?

You still haven't answered that one.

One percent of the world population…

Reform Judaism isn't a religion. It's the occult.

Oh and what do you look like Sapper?
What does you bank statement look like?

Because the first thing her dad is going to ask you is what do you do for a living?

I have this on personal experience and upon other good authority.

"But daddy he's so handsome and is a gentleman."

We will find someone else for you. Just trust me. When you have children then you want them to have the same luxuries, vacations, and a nice big house with security for what may happen up ahead.

And by the way, every father should consider these things. It's just that when you are factoring in old physical-Jewish money, then Godspeed on that pursuit for the one your attracted towards…

Got to marry in to be in there godforsaken country club they call a mystical religion of various influences as the true holder of truth and rhetoric.

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And how are physical-Jews being fruitful and multiplying according the command in Genesis 1:28?

You still haven't answered that one.

One percent of the world population…

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Israel today is one of the few First-World countries to have above-replacement fertility.

It's true that the Jewish population is still pretty small, but that's largely a result of Christian Europe constantly trying to kill them.

Wrong. The Nazi regime was not Christian at all.

See Hitler and see Himmler, for example…

But your numbers still wouldn't add up to make any impact of 6 million Jews being lost. What about the 10 million Christians who the atheist Jews in Russia aided in killing?

Didn't affect our efforts in being fruitful and multiplying …

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Wrong. The Nazi regime was not Christian at all.

See Hitler and see Himmler, for example…

But your numbers still wouldn't add up to make any impact of 6 million Jews being lost. What about the 10 million Christians who the atheist Jews in Russia aided in killing?

Didn't affect our efforts in being fruitful and multiplying …

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The Wehrmacht wore belts inscribed with "God with Us," and plenty of good Christians joined the Nazi Party and were proud adherents of its ideology. Far more Christians than nonbelievers.

And I love how you have to qualify how you describe the Bolsheviks. There were far more non-Jews than Jews in the Bolsheviks and Jews were wiped out by the Soviets just as they had by the Tzar. I notice you still haven't addressed the pogroms in Russia and the Soviet Union.

As for the birth rate, nowhere does it say what quantity qualifies as a great nation nor does it say when that will happen. But it's abundantly clear that the Tanakh is an ethnically and religiously centered collection on the people of Israel. Adding in everyone in the world or just plopping non-Jews into the covenant is a Christian tradition, not own found in Jewish traditions.

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Oh and what do you look like Sapper?
What does you bank statement look like?

Because the first thing her dad is going to ask you is what do you do for a living?

I have this on personal experience and upon other good authority.

"But daddy he's so handsome and is a gentleman."

We will find someone else for you. Just trust me. When you have children then you want them to have the same luxuries, vacations, and a nice big house with security for what may happen up ahead.

And by the way, every father should consider these things. It's just that when you are factoring in old physical-Jewish money, then Godspeed on that pursuit for the one your attracted towards…

Got to marry in to be in there godforsaken country club they call a mystical religion of various influences as the true holder of truth and rhetoric.

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This is a remarkably prejudiced post. Pretty gross. I was born into the tribe, by the way, on my mother's side, and know plenty of converts who did not marry in.

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TheGreatEscape said:

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Oh and what do you look like Sapper?
What does you bank statement look like?

Because the first thing her dad is going to ask you is what do you do for a living?

I have this on personal experience and upon other good authority.

"But daddy he's so handsome and is a gentleman."

We will find someone else for you. Just trust me. When you have children then you want them to have the same luxuries, vacations, and a nice big house with security for what may happen up ahead.

And by the way, every father should consider these things. It's just that when you are factoring in old physical-Jewish money, then Godspeed on that pursuit for the one your attracted towards…

Got to marry in to be in there godforsaken country club they call a mystical religion of various influences as the true holder of truth and rhetoric.

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This is a remarkably prejudiced post. Pretty gross. I was born into the tribe, by the way, on my mother's side, and know plenty of converts who did not marry in.

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Well, you'll never be in the inner circle until you do.

Oh…so you outright deceive and play your own attorney and are in the tribe?

You kept stating over and over again that the Jews did this and that. You kept referring and never as in the case of being one of us. Deceptive to say the least. No wonder you don't get the second table of the Ten Commandments right. For you don't adhere to the first table of the Ten Commandments either.

Anything goes for an atheist or agnostic…

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Wrong. The Nazi regime was not Christian at all.

See Hitler and see Himmler, for example…

But your numbers still wouldn't add up to make any impact of 6 million Jews being lost. What about the 10 million Christians who the atheist Jews in Russia aided in killing?

Didn't affect our efforts in being fruitful and multiplying …

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The Wehrmacht wore belts inscribed with "God with Us," and plenty of good Christians joined the Nazi Party and were proud adherents of its ideology. Far more Christians than nonbelievers.

And I love how you have to qualify how you describe the Bolsheviks. There were far more non-Jews than Jews in the Bolsheviks and Jews were wiped out by the Soviets just as they had by the Tzar. I notice you still haven't addressed the pogroms in Russia and the Soviet Union.

As for the birth rate, nowhere does it say what quantity qualifies as a great nation nor does it say when that will happen. But it's abundantly clear that the Tanakh is an ethnically and religiously centered collection on the people of Israel. Adding in everyone in the world or just plopping non-Jews into the covenant is a Christian tradition, not own found in Jewish traditions.

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Christians serving in the German military didn't have the same code of conduct that the US has for refusing to obey orders when it is unethical. Plus, they would be receive a court martial and killed for treason.

https://ucmjdefense.com/resources/military-offenses/the-lawfulness-of-orders.html

Second,

"the approximately 200 thousand non-Jewish prisoners included: They also died in the holocaust.
165 thousand Catholics
12.3 thousand Eastern Orthodox
11.6 thousand Protestants
5.5 thousand Greek Catholics
and at least 9.7 thousand people of other or no religious denomination."

May be more. I believe that was just one concentration camp?

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/which-religious-denominations-did-the-people-deported-to-auschwitz-belong-to,109.html

Next, you had a Lutheran priest and his group who tried to assassinate Adolf Hitler. The Priest's name was Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He and his group were put to death.

I was talking to this German born American. She was a child when the Nazis ruled. I asked her why her parents didn't say anything. She said they were scared to death to question anything. Plus, many Germans wrongfully accepted the slave labor camps of ethnic Jews. But many didn't know of the gas chambers and ovens. Find an article where that was written about for the public? They also didn't know that they were killing people with handicaps.

Athirst Jews weren't a big part of the Bolsheviks you claim?

Well, myself and others have already provided the evidence and you just have a skillfully Wikipedia page dominated by you atheists. You are not a Jew.

Deuteronomy 10:16 ESV) Moses

"Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn."

Seriously, please read The Jewish Century by Slezkine and Hitler's Monsters by Kurlander.

Your summaries are wrong.

The NSDAP was explicitly anti-Christian, even paying for "scholarship" into an "Aryan Christ,' and explicitly racialist pagan. Hitler was an agnostic, probably, according to his private letters.

And for sure many Christians served in the Wehrmacht and elsewhere. It was their government. The larger fight, in their minds, was against Communism. Doesn't excuse serving a Luciferian regime, but this context, alongside the NSDAP "healing" a deep seated Lutheran-Catholic divide, which Hitler played to, is essential context. And if you want me to detail the large-scale opposition by Catholic bishops, we can.

Regarding the Bolsheviks:
IT IS INDISPUTABLE, THE PROPORTION OF POPULATION, THE MONEY, THE ENERGY, THE IMPETUS. Seriously, read Slezkine. We have documents and financial trails - heck, how did Lenin keep going? Look it up.
Let's think through this again: Stalin go on such large-scale purges..........
What do you think that says about 1880 t0 1930s?

TheGreatEscape said:

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Sapper Redux said:

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Wrong. The Nazi regime was not Christian at all.

See Hitler and see Himmler, for example…

But your numbers still wouldn't add up to make any impact of 6 million Jews being lost. What about the 10 million Christians who the atheist Jews in Russia aided in killing?

Didn't affect our efforts in being fruitful and multiplying …

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The Wehrmacht wore belts inscribed with "God with Us," and plenty of good Christians joined the Nazi Party and were proud adherents of its ideology. Far more Christians than nonbelievers.

And I love how you have to qualify how you describe the Bolsheviks. There were far more non-Jews than Jews in the Bolsheviks and Jews were wiped out by the Soviets just as they had by the Tzar. I notice you still haven't addressed the pogroms in Russia and the Soviet Union.

As for the birth rate, nowhere does it say what quantity qualifies as a great nation nor does it say when that will happen. But it's abundantly clear that the Tanakh is an ethnically and religiously centered collection on the people of Israel. Adding in everyone in the world or just plopping non-Jews into the covenant is a Christian tradition, not own found in Jewish traditions.

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Christians serving in the German military didn't have the same code of conduct that the US has for refusing to obey orders when it is unethical. Plus, they would be receive a court martial and killed for treason.

https://ucmjdefense.com/resources/military-offenses/the-lawfulness-of-orders.html

Second,

"the approximately 200 thousand non-Jewish prisoners included: They also died in the holocaust.
165 thousand Catholics
12.3 thousand Eastern Orthodox
11.6 thousand Protestants
5.5 thousand Greek Catholics
and at least 9.7 thousand people of other or no religious denomination."

May be more. I believe that was just one concentration camp?

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/museum/news/which-religious-denominations-did-the-people-deported-to-auschwitz-belong-to,109.html

Next, you had a Lutheran priest and his group who tried to assassinate Adolf Hitler. The Priest's name was Dietrich Bonhoeffer. He and his group were put to death.

I was talking to this German born American. She was a child when the Nazis ruled. I asked her why her parents didn't say anything. She said they were scared to death to question anything. Plus, many Germans wrongfully accepted the slave labor camps of ethnic Jews. But many didn't know of the gas chambers and ovens. Find an article where that was written about for the public? They also didn't know that they were killing people with handicaps.

Athirst Jews weren't a big part of the Bolsheviks you claim?

Well, myself and others have already provided the evidence and you just have a skillfully Wikipedia page dominated by you atheists. You are not a Jew.

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The idea that Germans were just poor dupes of the Nazis and didn't know about the crimes is an absolute lie. The "myth of clean Wehrmacht" is well dismantled at this point. You can argue that some didn't know the extent of the crime, but it was an open secret that Jews were being deported to areas where death was likely and that the "destruction of European Jewry" was openly called for by Hitler as early as 1942. The vast overwhelming majority of those Germans were good Christians.

I do find your method of arguing tiring. You want to pull out small groups that make Christians look good and Jews look bad. It must be why you refuse to address the centuries of pogroms in Europe and Russia in particular before the Soviets and the Holocaust. Yes, there were a number of Jews amongst the Bolsheviks. The brutal persecution of Jews by the Tzar made radical politics appealing to many. But the Soviet government was not a Jewish government and Jews were persecuted as much or more proportionally than other groups in the Soviet Union.

And yes, halachically, I'm a Jew, though not raised as one and not actively religious.

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What do you think that says about 1880 t0 1930s?

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You mean an era of brutal pogroms against Jews and the imposition of the May Laws?

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Deuteronomy 10:16 ESV) Moses

"Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn."

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The quote in context is very specific to the Israelites.

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12 And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, 13 and to observe the Lord's commands and decrees that I am giving you today for your own good?

14 To the Lord your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it. 15 Yet the Lord set his affection on your ancestors and loved them, and he chose you, their descendants, above all the nationsas it is today. 16 Circumcise your hearts, therefore, and do not be stiff-necked any longer. 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

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I read that before I posted it. I'm a Jew. And God still uses families in his continuing of the covenant though Christ Jesus.

Just ask some believers to raise their hands if they had Christian parents. The covenant to the Israel of God is still working.

To bad you are not circumcised in your heart, are thus far stubborn, and the covenant doesn't apply to you because you don't believe in the last verse that God is the God of all gods. You are not a Jew. I am a Jew. For a Jew is a Jew by faith.

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I read that before I posted it. I'm a Jew. And God still uses families in his continuing of the covenant though Christ Jesus.

Just ask some believers to raise their hands if they had Christian parents. The covenant to the Israel of God is still working.

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You were claiming a "Semitic grandmother" before. Now you're a Jew?

You are claiming an ethnoreligion concept that you liberals made up and call yourself a Jew? You deny the first three of the Ten Commandments which establishes that God does exist for any Jew to call himself whatever the term you just used for yourself and morphed into as heresy.

I go ad hoc on you and you just ignore it.

Again…Abraham was a Gentile before he started what was to be called a jew or Hebrew. God made a covenant with Abraham before he was circumcised.

I realize that this is pointless because you are not in covenant with our father Abraham. Thus you are not even a Jew. And the DNA argument is falling to pieces in modern science.

Not only that but Enoch walked with God and this was way before Abraham.