These are the Palestinians that are oppressed that we should demand justice for and humanitarian aide.

https://zoa.org/2023/10/10448582-sickening-video-shows-disgusting-hamas-terrorists-parading-naked-battered-woman-through-streets/

I am sure the naked girl being spit on and paraded around was guilty of great crimes against the innocent Palestinians.

Are we not all made in the image of our Creator? What you are attempting to do here is to dehumanize an entire population to justify any reaction. We as people of God are called to be better.

Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

My point is forcing them to relocate is not too harsh and forcing them to live behind walls is just…. Unless you just want the Jews to be slaughtered which I suspect some on this board do.

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Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

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Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.

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Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

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Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.

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If an elected official of the US committed war crimes, would killing you be justified?

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Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

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Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.

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Hamas won with a plurality in 2006 and then forced all opposition to shut down and now rules through force. Don't pretend Gazans as a people support this group. Even if every person alive in 2006 supported them, half the population was born after 2006.

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Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

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Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.

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If an elected official of the US committed war crimes, would killing you be justified?

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If I voted for them knowing they would follow that I would be guilty to a certain degree.

But who defines war crimes. It's in the eye of the beholder. An organization such as the UN is absolutely corrupt.

There will never be justice until Christ comes again.

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But if we are called to carry out justice, no matter how imperfect we are, genocide is not a solution we can even consider.

Blaming the corruption of others for your genocidal solution is not justice.

You guys are going along with a definition of genocide that waters it down to the point of meaninglessness.

And it's interesting to see the multitude of posts about how horrible the Israelis are, but hardly anything except from a poster or two about Hamas.

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You guys are going along with a definition of genocide that waters it down to the point of meaninglessness.

And it's interesting to see the multitude of posts about how horrible the Israelis are, but hardly anything except from a poster or two about Hamas.

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Exactly. Depriving the Palestinians of Christmas candy or forcing them to move is genocide. It's laughable.

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Hamas won with a plurality in 2006 and then forced all opposition to shut down and now rules through force. Don't pretend Gazans as a people support this group. Even if every person alive in 2006 supported them, half the population was born after 2006.

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Unfortunately, that's the way the world works. The unwilling die when dictators go to war. Did the Nazis ever get a majority prior to their seizure of power? How many Japanese civilians voted for Tojo?

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Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

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Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.

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Hamas won with a plurality in 2006 and then forced all opposition to shut down and now rules through force. Don't pretend Gazans as a people support this group. Even if every person alive in 2006 supported them, half the population was born after 2006.

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So are you conceding that Hamas, Hezbollah, and radical Islam are the real oppressors of the Palestinian citizens? That's who Palestinian should be freed from whenever leftist protestors scream "Free Palestine". It'd be wonderful if authorities spent international aid on clean water and better infrastructure for their people instead of rockets and munitions to attack Israel.

Yes, all human beings, including Palestinians, are made in the image of God.

The same God who miraculously intervened to drown the Egyptian army when they tried to recapture the Jews. Make of that what you will.

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Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

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Or we can all just come to the understanding that these are incredibly difficult circumstances and. I matter what happens, innocent people are going to die. It sucks. There is absolutely, 100% no way around that.

Im fine with people proposing solutions. But I do hope people understand that no matter what solution you propose, innocent people will die horrific deaths. In my opinion, there seems to be one side that is totally fine with that and another side that sadly has to comply with these rules of engagement.

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Hamas won with a plurality in 2006 and then forced all opposition to shut down and now rules through force. Don't pretend Gazans as a people support this group. Even if every person alive in 2006 supported them, half the population was born after 2006.

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Unfortunately, that's the way the world works. The unwilling die when dictators go to war. Did the Nazis ever get a majority prior to their seizure of power? How many Japanese civilians voted for Tojo?

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It's not an excuse to justify indiscriminate targeting of areas with huge numbers of civilians.

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Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

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Hamas is the elected government of Gaza.

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If an elected official of the US committed war crimes, would killing you be justified?

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If I voted for them knowing they would follow that I would be guilty to a certain degree.

But who defines war crimes. It's in the eye of the beholder. An organization such as the UN is absolutely corrupt.

There will never be justice until Christ comes again.

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If you follow that line of reasoning it extends to Israeli government officials who helped create Hamas and used it as a tool to prevent a unified Palestinian state.

Being near blind to the plight of civilians based on government actions isn't justified. Whether it's Hamas doing or Israel.

Life is far too cheap to some of you.

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Ah yes, continuing the justification for genocide against Palestinians.

Hamas is evil and all for the total destruction of that organization of hate. 3 million people in Gaza though are not Hamas and your desire to eradicate them is also horrific.

Christianity Today has an article interviewing Christians on both sides. Is a good short read and might help you understand that the issue is much more complicated than Israel good Gaza bad.
https://christianitytoday.com/news/2023/october/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinian-evangelical-messianic-jew.html

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Or we can all just come to the understanding that these are incredibly difficult circumstances and. I matter what happens, innocent people are going to die. It sucks. There is absolutely, 100% no way around that.

Im fine with people proposing solutions. But I do hope people understand that no matter what solution you propose, innocent people will die horrific deaths. In my opinion, there seems to be one side that is totally fine with that and another side that sadly has to comply with these rules of engagement.

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Again, there's a difference between the unintentional deaths of civilians and, for example, My Lai. I haven't seen anyone here say Israel has no right to defend itself against Hamas. But the reality of war does not ever justify treating every Palestinian in Gaza as a legitimate target.

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Yes, all human beings, including Palestinians, are made in the image of God.

The same God who miraculously intervened to drown the Egyptian army when they tried to recapture the Jews. Make of that what you will.

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So you know the mind of God on this situation?

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And it's interesting to see the multitude of posts about how horrible the Israelis are, but hardly anything except from a poster or two about Hamas.

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The person who advocates for forcibly relocating Jews from Israel or killing them all will get the exact same objections.

And where are all these posts about Israelis being horrible? All I see is OP repeatedly advocating for Palestinians to be forcibly expelled.

Ok now do Zionism before 1948. We don't have to support any of it.

What's crazy is the common ground people like OP can't find with people like me is

- don't indiscriminately target civilians
- don't advocate for the expulsion of people from their homes based on their faith or ethnicity
- don't advocate for the killing of people based on their faith or ethnicity

This shouldn't be a difficult place to agree.

Ok? So what? That doesn't make it good

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Ok? So what? That doesn't make it good

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It means that by the same standard that you are holding Israel to, the United States was complicit in war crimes back in 1945. Would you agree with that assessment?

Regardless of whether it's a war crime or not, indiscriminate attacks against civilians are wrong. If you consider indiscriminate attacks against civilians war crimes, then yes.

Do you agree that we should not indiscriminately target civilians, or expel or people based on their ethnicity or faith?

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Ok now do Zionism before 1948. We don't have to support any of it.

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What about it? Where else should the Jews have gone?

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What's crazy is the common ground people like OP can't find with people like me is

- don't indiscriminately target civilians
- don't advocate for the expulsion of people from their homes based on their faith or ethnicity
- don't advocate for the killing of people based on their faith or ethnicity

This shouldn't be a difficult place to agree.

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The Allies did the first two of those things during and after WW2.

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America also advocated for the killing of people based on their ethnicity in the removal of the American Indian.

So guess those things are now always OK? Of course not. Using the fact that someone else did something as justification for you doing it is lazy.

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And it's interesting to see the multitude of posts about how horrible the Israelis are, but hardly anything except from a poster or two about Hamas.

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The person who advocates for forcibly relocating Jews from Israel or killing them all will get the exact same objections.

And where are all these posts about Israelis being horrible? All I see is OP repeatedly advocating for Palestinians to be forcibly expelled.

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Than you for correctly summarizing my position and not saying I want to kill all of them. I get no satisfaction of seeing dead children or people trying to live their lives.

I just see no other alternative for Israel other than to take action or endure terror attacks.

Yeah, and your repeated support for ethnic cleansing is disgusting and naiive to the point of stupidity.