PabloSerna said:
I can't keep track of the number of articles and segments I listen to, but in almost every case there is no one reason why some people are homosexual and others are heterosexual. You (and so did I) cite that massive genome study for the so called "gay gene" only to come to the conclusion that it more complicated (biologically, genetically, and psychologically).
What I am hearing, not just here on this board, but from other well meaning friends is that - it is a choice. That those persons tempted into such sinfulness need to pick up their cross and march on. End of story.
What is a sin, is sex outside of the sacrament of marriage. Why is that a sin? Because God instituted marriage and the family as the cornerstone of civilization. This is all good and worked out for a man and a woman seeking to commit their lives to each other.
I question if we are looking at human sexuality with a narrow lens (heterosexual) and labeling anything outside of that view as sinful. Not all homosexual persons are perverse, as the Pope was telling Juan Carlos. They were made by God and he loves them that way. Important to note that the Pope is not commenting on their actions, rather their being.
The comparison of homosexual orientation to other predispositions such as alcoholism, drugs, or other forms of substance abuse is problematic. For one, being gay and being a drug addict have nothing in common, other than the sinful nature the church has imposed. Clearly an addiction to drugs is harmful to the body and will lead to a physical death. What we are saying now, is that being gay and living that lifestyle will lead to a spiritual death. We say that only in the light of scripture and tradition that has always associated homosexuality with perversion and sexual sins (rape, prostitution).
I know this is a too long take, but I have yet to find biblical or sacred tradition that addresses two persons of the same sex, in love, and willing to commit their lives to each other.
I'm trying not to lose patience here. Please, go watch the video all the way through. You arent seeing clearly due to the fact that you see this attraction as a PART of the individual. It is not. The purpose of pointing out that it is clearly NOT genetic is to show you it 100% absolutely is not HOW THEY ARE MADE!!!! It is something that happen TO the person. Their sexuality and perception of it is damaged. It is broken. They need help. I bring up alcoholism, rage, etc not to equate them as similar sins but to show that since there ARE legitimate genetic markers for these issues, they have a much stronger claim to "made this way" than homosexuals. Yet we try to help people out of these sins, not try to find ways to allow them.
Again, as the video addresses, these people should not be condemned to a life of white knuckling it. We should be pouring resources into helping them understand where and how they were harmed earlier in life and to deal with those issues. Your approach of making this apart of their identity is flat out incorrect. And because of that incorrect understanding, you seek a way to validate their lifestyle. You are blinded to reality, and in my opinion, are treading on very dangerous ground of saying God intentionally makes sinners.
Your last two paragraphs are just willful blindness. The church has always taught sodomy is wrong. It's bad for heterosexual couples too. it has always been 100% clear. There is no way around that.
At the end of the day, my opinion is that your view robs people of the chance at a full life. It is telling them they can never overcome their sin. Jesus isn't big enough for that. You will never have a chance at a natural family. Jesus isn't big enough for that. You will forever live your life wondering why you're different. Jesus isn't big enough for that. Your view imposed limits on people's ability to say yes to God and limits God's ability to help them.
