I wonder if they'll have the nerve to try to use financial management issues as the reason to remove him. We all know that it is Strickland's views on cultural issues that is the driving force here. Maybe it was already talked about on this board, but I just read where Pope Francis wrote a hand written letter to Fr. James Martin in regards to a recent conference (Outreach LGBTQ Catholic Ministry Conference).
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It sounds like he knows that he's gone. I hope I'm wrong.
Let us pray constantly & fervently that more & more faithful Catholics will awaken to the devastating strangle hold that corruption has on the Roman Catholic Church. The Church which is the mystical body of Christ should be guiding us out of this darkness but she is weak. pic.twitter.com/ll9kvF8O5D
— Bishop J. Strickland (@Bishopoftyler) June 27, 2023
Whether he remains Bishop or not is immaterial. He has remained faithful.
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RAB91 said:
It sounds like he knows that he's gone. I hope I'm wrong.Let us pray constantly & fervently that more & more faithful Catholics will awaken to the devastating strangle hold that corruption has on the Roman Catholic Church. The Church which is the mystical body of Christ should be guiding us out of this darkness but she is weak. pic.twitter.com/ll9kvF8O5D
— Bishop J. Strickland (@Bishopoftyler) June 27, 2023
No doubt about it. This is how it played out with Bishop Daniel Fernandez Torres. He's the one who opposed vaccine mandates, which was not the reason given for why he was asked to resign and then later forcibly replaced.
If so… really hurts.
He is a great man, a solid Bishop, and wonderful community leader.
Pray for our Church, pray for our congregation, pray for strength.
He is a great man, a solid Bishop, and wonderful community leader.
Pray for our Church, pray for our congregation, pray for strength.
Pharisees were quite reluctant to the witness of Jesus.
ETA: I have no doubt that the legacy that Pope Francis will leave will be that of bringing back the pastoral aspect of the shepherds.
ETA: I have no doubt that the legacy that Pope Francis will leave will be that of bringing back the pastoral aspect of the shepherds.
He'll be remembered for a lot of things... that won't be one of them.PabloSerna said:
Pharisees were quite reluctant to the witness of Jesus.
ETA: I have no doubt that the legacy that Pope Francis will leave will be that of bringing back the pastoral aspect of the shepherds.
Edit:
A link on the bishop doing the investigation.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/who-is-this-bishop-investigating-bp-strickland-on-behalf-of-pope-francis/
A group of German bishops hold a synod denouncing church teaching…certainly disputing St Paul 's teaching and they get a slap on the wrist and told to think some more about it. Bishop Strickland upholds church teaching and probably will be fired. Do I have this right?
PabloSerna said:
Pharisees were quite reluctant to the witness of Jesus.
ETA: I have no doubt that the legacy that Pope Francis will leave will be that of bringing back the pastoral aspect of the shepherds.
People are heartbroken over potentially losing their faithful bishop and you think this is the "pastoral" thing to say? That's far more disappointing than any post you've made so far, and that's saying something.
What it seems to me and I hear that some people do not agree- is that this Pope is focused on the pastoral aspect he believes is lacking to move the church into the future. It does not mean that the message is different or that doctrine is wrong.
Welcoming more people to the table of the Lord is always a good thing. What is happening, we now know because of the Synod on Synodality, is that there are groups of people being pushed out.
I believe, like I have already said, that Pope Francis wants the Shepherds of the church, to reflect the love and mercy of Christ and that begins with open arms.
Welcoming more people to the table of the Lord is always a good thing. What is happening, we now know because of the Synod on Synodality, is that there are groups of people being pushed out.
I believe, like I have already said, that Pope Francis wants the Shepherds of the church, to reflect the love and mercy of Christ and that begins with open arms.
FIFYPabloSerna said:
What it seems to me and I hear that some people do not agree- is that this Pope is focused on the pastoral aspect he believes is lacking to move the church into the future. It does not mean that the message is different or that doctrine is wrong.
Welcoming more people to the table of the Lord is always a good thing. What is happening, we now know because of the Synod on Synodality, is that there are groups of people pushing themselves out.
I believe, like I have already said, that Pope Francis wants the Shepherds of the church, to reflect the love and mercy of Christ and that begins with open arms.
Making my point.
PabloSerna said:
Making my point.
What is your point? That the people who are offended by God's law feel left out? Who has Pope Francis persuaded? It looks to me like the people you're talking about are just holding out hope for the Church to amend God's law. As though that were possible.
If only the church was more accepting about abortion, pro-abortion Catholics wouldn't be getting pushed out.PabloSerna said:
Making my point.
If only the church was more accepting of birth control, more groups wouldn't be getting pushed out.
If only the church was more accepting of women priests, more groups wouldn't be getting pushed out.
If only the church was more accepting of people choosing to actively live the gay lifestyle, more gays wouldn't be getting pushed out.
I think what you're looking for in the Catholic Church might be better found in another denomination.
RAB91 said:If only the church was more accepting about abortion, pro-abortion Catholics wouldn't be getting pushed out.PabloSerna said:
Making my point.
If only the church was more accepting of birth control, more groups wouldn't be getting pushed out.
If only the church was more accepting of women priests, more groups wouldn't be getting pushed out.
If only the church was more accepting of people choosing to actively live the gay lifestyle, more gays wouldn't be getting pushed out.
I think what you're looking for in the Catholic Church might be better found in another denomination.
Not to mention that a change in any particular one of these situations (as well as the LGBT situation) is 100% proof that the magisterium of the Catholic Church is not infallible. I don't understand how anyone who considers themselves a practicing Catholic can be rooting for this
It would seem that some of you are the older brother in the parable about the Prodigal Son. It's quite telling that his father had to remind him "your brother" when the older son basically disowned his own flesh and blood.
This is where we are at now. I don't think the older brother ever came around to seeing the truth.
This is where we are at now. I don't think the older brother ever came around to seeing the truth.
The Banned said:RAB91 said:If only the church was more accepting about abortion, pro-abortion Catholics wouldn't be getting pushed out.PabloSerna said:
Making my point.
If only the church was more accepting of birth control, more groups wouldn't be getting pushed out.
If only the church was more accepting of women priests, more groups wouldn't be getting pushed out.
If only the church was more accepting of people choosing to actively live the gay lifestyle, more gays wouldn't be getting pushed out.
I think what you're looking for in the Catholic Church might be better found in another denomination.
Not to mention that a change in any particular one of these situations (as well as the LGBT situation) is 100% proof that the magisterium of the Catholic Church is not infallible. I don't understand how anyone who considers themselves a practicing Catholic can be rooting for this
Exactly. The body of work is so dense and comprehensive. There's no about face on these. It's impossible.
Change has nothing to do with it- but go on.
Can you put new wine into old wine skins?
PabloSerna said:
It would seem that some of you are the older brother in the parable about the Prodigal Son. It's quite telling that his father had to remind him "your brother" when the older son basically disowned his own flesh and blood.
This is where we are at now. I don't think the older brother ever came around to seeing the truth.
The younger son realized his mistakes. He didn't return to his father to proselytize and demand his father laud his foolishness.
It will come down to our understanding of love. This is my opinion. There is room there. Nothing changes.
If you want a genuine discussion rise above it.
PabloSerna said:
It will come down to our understanding of love. This is my opinion. There is room there. Nothing changes.
Disordered love doesn't resemble God's love.
You keep thinking that LGBTQ+ people want to tear down the church. They don't. They want in.
PabloSerna said:
If you want a genuine discussion rise above it.
I genuinely don't understand what this is supposed to mean.
You have cited something but don't have it correctly cited.
The doors open. Christ sacrifice has been paid for all, they are welcome as any other sinner is welcome. Repent, enter and resolve to try and sin no more…
PabloSerna said:
You have cited something but don't have it correctly cited.
What are you talking about?
It means citing the CCC accurately, how about that for starters?
PabloSerna said:
It means citing the CCC accurately, how about that for starters?
I didn't cite the CCC
You are locked into the "act" which is intrinsically disordered. However, you exchanged that for "love" which is an oxymoron.
I've just stopped engaging, you'll never get a concrete answer.
My best understanding is that somehow Church teaching is going to evolve to be the exact opposite of what it currently is on the issues, but don't worry - it's you who doesn't understand what's going on.
My best understanding is that somehow Church teaching is going to evolve to be the exact opposite of what it currently is on the issues, but don't worry - it's you who doesn't understand what's going on.
In other words, God, who is love, cannot be intrinsically disordered. Do you agree?
PabloSerna said:
In other words, God, who is love, cannot be intrinsically disordered. Do you agree?
If you're going where I think you're going with this, your line of reasoning is Satanic.
Bob Lee said:PabloSerna said:
It would seem that some of you are the older brother in the parable about the Prodigal Son. It's quite telling that his father had to remind him "your brother" when the older son basically disowned his own flesh and blood.
This is where we are at now. I don't think the older brother ever came around to seeing the truth.
The younger son realized his mistakes. He didn't return to his father to proselytize and demand his father laud his foolishness.
Seriously. I thought everyone knew this. The younger son repented and the older son was upset by it. Had the younger son shown up and said "I'm sorry for none of it now let me back in", I don't see the same ending to the parable coming to fruition.
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