Bishop Joseph Strickland

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6:42a, 6/26/23
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I really like Bishop Strickland for his consistency in the faith and unwillingness to bow to the left and wokeness.

It seems that the Vatican is not happy with his style of truth-telling.

Apostolic Visitation of Bishop Strickland of Tyler.

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The inquiry, known as an apostolic visitation, marks a rare though not unprecedented intervention by Rome into a U.S. diocese and points to possible disciplinary action against Strickland, a widely popular though polarizing Texas firebrand viewed as a culture war champion by many U.S. conservatives for his staunch defense of the unborn, marriage, the traditional Latin liturgy, and Catholic orthodoxy.
The leader of the eastern Texas diocese since 2012, Strickland, 64, has faced criticism for what some see as intemperate social media posts unbecoming of a prominent U.S. prelate, including a May 12 tweet that suggested Pope Francis was "undermining the Deposit of Faith."
Not one to sit on the sidelines, he recently played a prominent role in a eucharistic procession and prayer rally in Los Angeles on June 16 organized to protest Major League Baseball's Los Angeles Dodgers for honoring an anti-Catholic drag group at the team's annual Pride Night game.

I'll be Praying and Fasting for Bishop Strickland.
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7:30a, 6/26/23
Article from the Pillar.

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An apostolic visitation is an official review of diocesan leadership and governance, usually convened at the behest of a Vatican congregation.

One priest interviewed said the visitation's questions focused on Strickland's administrative leadership in the diocese, rather than on his outsized social media personality.

"It was not even primarily about his 'rants' about Pope Francis," said the priest, who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

"The questions really focused on years of governance issues, which have had us priests concerned. We had two finance officers removed before their five year terms were expired, and that's not typical at all."
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In recent years, Strickland has been critical of Pope Francis, and was during the coronavirus pandemic outspoken in his criticism of the Holy See's approach to vaccines, urging a more stringent position than the Vatican's on ethical questions surrounding vaccine testing and embryonic cell lines.

Last month, Strickland tweeted that he "rejects" Pope Francis' "program undermining the Deposit of Faith."



That tweet garnered considerable controversy online.
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"The bishop doesn't want to make too big of a deal of it," the source said. "He's got vocations, the diocese is doing well financially, so by all the numbers, he's doing very well."

"He's not trying to make too big a deal of it," the source added.

But a priest who was questioned during the visitation said that interviewers "were already asking questions about who might be a good fit to replace [Strickland]."

Still, it is not clear when the bishops who conducted the visitation reportedly Bishop Gerald Kicanas, emeritus of Tucscon, and Bishop Dennis Sullivan of Camden will file a report with the Dicastery for Bishops, nor when the dicastery might reach a decision about its outcome.
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8:04a, 6/26/23
Ridiculous, but not surprising
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9:17a, 6/26/23
If someone is coming down, could he swing through Fort Worth and take a look at Bp. Olson, who's been taking a meat axe to priests, nuns, parishes, etc?
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9:38a, 6/26/23
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This Pope

Sick of it
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9:54a, 6/26/23
Bishop Strickland needs to be laicized immediately, he is a huge roadblock to progress and he's killing my numbers for the decade.
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10:03a, 6/26/23
The Vatican will go after Bishop Strickland and do nothing about Fr. James Martin. What a clown world we live in under Pope Francis. We've survived bad popes before, and we'll do it again.
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10:44a, 6/26/23
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It's hard not to despair with everything that's going on in the Church.
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2:22p, 6/26/23
The first 10-12 minutes of this are worth watching IMO.

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4:06p, 6/26/23
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Methinks there will soon be a rally in Tyler for this great man...

See you all there...
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4:51p, 6/26/23
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We had a Rosary yesterday, and will have daily rosary's each night this week at 7pm.
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In reply to RAB91 • 5:46p, 6/26/23
RAB91 said:
The Vatican will go after Bishop Strickland and do nothing about Fr. James Martin. What a clown world we live in under Pope Francis. We've survived bad popes before, and we'll do it again.
To be fair that is the responsibility of the Superior General of the Jesuits. On the other hand if Father Sosa is unwilling to do so, an Apostolic Visitation (or whatever the correct term for a similar audit for a religous order) of the Society of Jesus definitely seems necessary.
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In reply to jkag89 • 9:16p, 6/26/23
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RAB91 said:
The Vatican will go after Bishop Strickland and do nothing about Fr. James Martin. What a clown world we live in under Pope Francis. We've survived bad popes before, and we'll do it again.
To be fair that is the responsibility of the Superior General of the Jesuits. On the other hand if Father Sosa is unwilling to do so, an Apostolic Visitation (or whatever the correct term for a similar audit for a religous order) of the Society of Jesus definitely seems necessary.
I'm pretty sure that he's already shown that he's unwilling to do so. So it is back in the pope's hands.
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10:06p, 6/26/23
And he continues to show courage through this whole mess....

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6:28a, 6/27/23
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A real St. John the Baptist..I hope the Vatican doesn't behead him before the homosexuals do....
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9:09a, 6/27/23
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Just my opinion, the guy needs to stay in his lane. With the whole protest in Los Angeles, the bishop of LA did not invite him to that. It's very disrespectful for Strickland to not let that bishop handle his business (I believe they held mass and a prayer service instead).

And whether or not you agree with the program of Pope Francis, Strickland is bound by obedience to the pope. An apostolic visitation seems like an appropriate response based on his behavior.
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In reply to Law361 • 9:24a, 6/27/23
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Law361 said:
Just my opinion, the guy needs to stay in his lane. With the whole protest in Los Angeles, the bishop of LA did not invite him to that. It's very disrespectful for Strickland to not let that bishop handle his business (I believe they held mass and a prayer service instead).

And whether or not you agree with the program of Pope Francis, Strickland is bound by obedience to the pope. An apostolic visitation seems like an appropriate response based on his behavior.
1. +Strickland sought +Gomez' permission to be there. Archdiocese made deliberate decision to NOT be at the prayer rally. +Strickland was asked by group coordinating rally given the Archdiocese of LA position. Moreover, +Strickland did not do anything to usurp +Gomez' authority.

2. Obedience has limits.
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In reply to 747Ag • 10:01a, 6/27/23
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1. Strickland being there usurps Gomez' authority.

2. Obedience has limits IF you don't believe in the power of the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus to Peter, his successors, and the Church. Otherwise, you don't have a problem with Francis. You've got a problem with management upstairs.
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10:11a, 6/27/23
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Cult of personality.

Seen it before.
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In reply to Law361 • 10:15a, 6/27/23
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Law361 said:
1. Strickland being there usurps Gomez' authority.

2. Obedience has limits IF you don't believe in the power of the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus to Peter, his successors, and the Church. Otherwise, you don't have a problem with Francis. You've got a problem with management upstairs.
1. No it doesn't. Bishops visit other dioceses ALL THE TIME. Moreover, communication between chanceries was had beforehand.

2. Obedience DOES have limits; it is not absolute. Rather, you have a duty to resist sinful commands. Moreover, the papacy is not an oracle. The Holy Father isn't sinless. The Pope can and does sin as well as sometimes do imprudent things. History has shown us pontiffs doing wicked things as well as stating heresy. Imputing the infallibility of our Blessed Lord in all things to the Holy Father is an abuse of the canons of Vatican I (re: infallibility).
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In reply to RAB91 • 10:16a, 6/27/23
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I like Taylor, fellow Texan and Aquinas aficionado, just that he was in such a rush to find smoke in Rome that he went out of his way to say that Pope Benedict was removed to make way for Pope Francis. Before Pope Benedict passed away, he set the record straight that there was no such conspiracy- Taylor whiffed big time.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 10:20a, 6/27/23
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PabloSerna said:
Cult of personality.

Seen it before.


So admirers of Bishop Strickland are a cult?

Nah

He's just a guy trying keep your ilk from damaging the church, and upending 2000 years of biblical and Catholic teaching and tradition

But continue your attempts of inside-out rot if you wish.

You will fail
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10:24a, 6/27/23
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A march led by the people is one thing. A rally led by a bishop from another diocese, from another state is another.
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In reply to Law361 • 10:25a, 6/27/23
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Law361 said:
1. Strickland being there usurps Gomez' authority.

2. Obedience has limits IF you don't believe in the power of the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus to Peter, his successors, and the Church. Otherwise, you don't have a problem with Francis. You've got a problem with management upstairs.


Whoa, what? You're saying obedience is absolute and has no limits? Not even if the command is to sin?
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In reply to PabloSerna • 10:33a, 6/27/23
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A march led by the people is one thing. A rally led by a bishop from another diocese, from another state is another.
Organizers started with the Archdiocese of LA. +Gomez declined for reasons that I don't know. A report from people flying with him (from FL) back to LA spoke with him about it. +Gomez was deeply troubled by the Dodgers, but had his reasons (perhaps good ones) for not being in attendance. Good on him for offering Holy Mass in reparation. But +Strickland was reluctant as well. Seeing that no other bishop would be there, he accepted the invitation. He also related a story on his chancery's communication with that of the Archdiocese of LA... some back and forth misses, but eventually connected.

People like +Strickland because he has a direct approach. They like him because he preaches a need for repentance and a need to follow our Blessed Lord. He is not afraid to decry sinful behavior. Cult of personality perhaps, but then we could also say that about Ven. Fulton Sheen. Or JPII.
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In reply to PabloSerna • 10:38a, 6/27/23
PabloSerna said:
Cult of personality.

Seen it before.


Is this in regards to Strickland or Marshall?
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10:45a, 6/27/23
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All Strickland does is teach what was handed down to him and challenge his fellow bishops and priests to do the same. That includes his Holiness.

Hardly seems like a cult of personality



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In reply to Captain Pablo • 10:59a, 6/27/23
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Obedience to God is absolute and has no limits. The pope is the vicar of Christ and is given his authority until he comes again. That's not easy to believe in good times and it's very difficult in hard times. The pope is the sign of the Church's unity. That doesn't depend on the man in the chair. It's a belief in the power of the Holy Spirit to guide the Church into all truth and not be frustrated by our sinfulness and well-intentioned (or mal-intentioned) actions. Also, Francis has not commanded people to sin. That's absurd and is not a responsible claim to make.

I'm very much a Benedict guy, and Francis has challenged me. Reading the website WherePeterIs has been very helpful.

I'm going to bow out now. Peace to you.
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In reply to Law361 • 11:03a, 6/27/23
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Law361 said:
Obedience to God is absolute and has no limits. The pope is the vicar of Christ and is given his authority until he comes again. That's not easy to believe in good times and it's very difficult in hard times. The pope is the sign of the Church's unity. That doesn't depend on the man in the chair. It's a belief in the power of the Holy Spirit to guide the Church into all truth and not be frustrated by our sinfulness and well-intentioned (or mal-intentioned) actions. Also, Francis has not commanded people to sin. That's absurd and is not a responsible claim to make.

I'm very much a Benedict guy, and Francis has challenged me. Reading the website WherePeterIs has been very helpful.

I'm going to bow out now. Peace to you.


I like WherePeteris.
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In reply to Law361 • 11:52a, 6/27/23
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Law361 said:
Obedience to God is absolute and has no limits. The pope is the vicar of Christ and is given his authority until he comes again. That's not easy to believe in good times and it's very difficult in hard times. The pope is the sign of the Church's unity. That doesn't depend on the man in the chair. It's a belief in the power of the Holy Spirit to guide the Church into all truth and not be frustrated by our sinfulness and well-intentioned (or mal-intentioned) actions. Also, Francis has not commanded people to sin. That's absurd and is not a responsible claim to make.

I'm very much a Benedict guy, and Francis has challenged me. Reading the website WherePeterIs has been very helpful.

I'm going to bow out now. Peace to you.


I did not say Francis commanded anyone to sin. I'm just asking if there are ANY CONCEIVABLE circumstances under which obedience would have limits

I also am not disputing that the Bishop must obey, lest he face consequences. Such as being fired

I'm just wondering if there is any conceivable situation where a Pope could be wrong, gives an order that a Bishop shouldn't follow, and the Bishop accepts removal as a consequence
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1:19p, 6/27/23
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Look - 90% of the USCCB are democrats accepting huge amounts of government largess from the DNC...As such, they have to toe the line on pushing the DNC agenda, and opposing the RNC. This is why so few of them openly oppose the butchering of kids in their mother's womb, and why they are for open borders and are silent (very silent) on opposing so-called "homosexual "marriage.""

Strickland, pushing Catholicism 100% and not the DNC agenda (cleverly disguised as Catholicism) is off the reservation, and therefore must be silenced...
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1:28p, 6/27/23
Is anyone familiar with the apostolic visitation process? Any guesses on how likely it is that he'll be removed? From what little I've read, the bishop is usually removed after these. But, I don't know if we only hear of the ones where they are removed.
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In reply to RAB91 • 1:47p, 6/27/23
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But a priest who was questioned during the visitation said that interviewers "were already asking questions about who might be a good fit to replace [Strickland]."
This is the concerning part to me... candidly talking about a replacement to others within the chancery. I am not, however, familiar with the process.
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747Ag said:

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But a priest who was questioned during the visitation said that interviewers "were already asking questions about who might be a good fit to replace [Strickland]."
This is the concerning part to me... candidly talking about a replacement to others within the chancery. I am not, however, familiar with the process.


That and the Bishop's June 26 tweet.

Leads Me to believe the Bishop sees the writing on the wall

Hope that's not the case
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Captain Pablo said:
747Ag said:

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But a priest who was questioned during the visitation said that interviewers "were already asking questions about who might be a good fit to replace [Strickland]."
This is the concerning part to me... candidly talking about a replacement to others within the chancery. I am not, however, familiar with the process.

That and the Bishop's June 26 tweet.

Leads Me to believe the Bishop sees the writing on the wall

Hope that's not the case
Likely why +Schneider will stay as auxiliary bishop, at least under this pontificate.
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