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In reply to Thaddeus73 • 8:55a, 6/8/23
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Truly sad and disappointing. The Dodgers fubar'd this thing by even considering the acknowledge of that wackadoo group.
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I'll bet they won't have a bunch of white guys in blackface show up singing "Old Black Joe."
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That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
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9:35a, 6/8/23
These are the kind of people that Sapper is supporting.

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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:08a, 6/8/23
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That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
And they could do an equal amount of good without mocking Christianity and the Catholic Church.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:15a, 6/8/23
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That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s
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In reply to ramblin_ag02 • 10:38a, 6/8/23
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Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
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In reply to RAB91 • 10:40a, 6/8/23
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These are the kind of people that Sapper is supporting.



I can say they did far more for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church without agreeing with every single thing they did. But won't someone please think of the massively wealthy and politically powerful organization that has its feelings hurt.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:49a, 6/8/23
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That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
Encouraging and promoting sodomy seems like a great way to stop AIDS
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Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
Encouraging and promoting sodomy seems like a great way to stop AIDS


Yeah, this is the stuff that did so much to help those suffering. I will say there were a number of individual priests and nuns who did great things during the early years of the epidemic, but this is the stuff which did so much to help kill people.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 11:04a, 6/8/23
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Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Wow! I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and proud example of anti-religious bigotry.

Seriously? Some random activist group did more than hundreds of hospitals full of medical professionals all doing their absolute best to help people with a new and unknown illness? I don't even know what to say
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In reply to jrico2727 • 11:06a, 6/8/23
jrico2727 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
Encouraging and promoting sodomy seems like a great way to stop AIDS
"The expression of their faces testifies against them, And they display their sin like Sodom; They do not even conceal it. Woe to them! For they have done evil to themselves." - Isaiah 3:9
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 11:06a, 6/8/23
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ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.


Here is a gay man that is against the catholic church's stance on homosexuality that documents just how much Catholic charities and hospitals helped. Your catholic bashing is misplaced here
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 11:07a, 6/8/23
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That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
That group is just a bunch of demons.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 11:08a, 6/8/23
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Sapper Redux said:
jrico2727 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
Encouraging and promoting sodomy seems like a great way to stop AIDS


Yeah, this is the stuff that did so much to help those suffering. I will say there were a number of individual priests and nuns who did great things during the early years of the epidemic, but this is the stuff which did so much to help kill people.
How so? Speaking truth to the situation, if a certain activity, within a particular group, leads to predictable results. Why would telling them to not engage in that activity be killing them? Seems like the opposite would have happened had they listened.
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In reply to ramblin_ag02 • 11:40a, 6/8/23
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ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Wow! I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and proud example of anti-religious bigotry.

Seriously? Some random activist group did more than hundreds of hospitals full of medical professionals all doing their absolute best to help people with a new and unknown illness? I don't even know what to say
Yep. It is sad. He really, really hates religion. Sad.
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In reply to jrico2727 • 11:44a, 6/8/23
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jrico2727 said:
Sapper Redux said:
jrico2727 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
Encouraging and promoting sodomy seems like a great way to stop AIDS


Yeah, this is the stuff that did so much to help those suffering. I will say there were a number of individual priests and nuns who did great things during the early years of the epidemic, but this is the stuff which did so much to help kill people.
How so? Speaking truth to the situation, if a certain activity, within a particular group, leads to predictable results. Why would telling them to not engage in that activity be killing them? Seems like the opposite would have happened had they listened.
Exactly. But as docs we were not allowed to do that because it was seen as prejudice towards the gay population. There was even backlash if we suggested condom use.

And these are the same folks who wanted people fined for not wearing masks during Covid.

The hypocrisy is surreal.
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I have seen hundreds of Bishop Barrons videos. This is the first time I've seen him pissed off.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 12:14p, 6/8/23
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Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Sorry but this makes me mad.

I was a resident at Baylor College of Medicine at the time. Did skin biopsies for some of Fauci's studies. Even got published on an article describing lymphocyte changes before we discovered the viruses. Every doc I know worked their asses off trying to figure it out and find a cure. And every AIDS patient we took care of was treated with compassion even though there wa little we could except palliative care.

And the gay population refused to listen to any docs or wear condoms. Instead they cried victimhood and oppression.

You have zero idea what you are talking about.
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I have seen hundreds of Bishop Barrons videos. This is the first time I've seen him pissed off.
Kudos to him.
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I was a resident at Baylor College of Medicine at the time. Did skin biopsies for some of Fauci's studies. Even got published on an article describing lymphocyte changes before we discovered the viruses. Every doc I know worked their asses off trying to figure it out and find a cure. And every AIDS patient we took care of was treated with compassion even though there wa little we could except palliative care.

And the gay population refused to listen to any docs or wear condoms. Instead they cried victimhood and oppression.

You have zero idea what you are talking about.
THIS!

100% agree...
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In reply to dermdoc • 5:02p, 6/8/23
dermdoc said:
Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Sorry but this makes me mad.

I was a resident at Baylor College of Medicine at the time. Did skin biopsies for some of Fauci's studies. Even got published on an article describing lymphocyte changes before we discovered the viruses. Every doc I know worked their asses off trying to figure it out and find a cure. And every AIDS patient we took care of was treated with compassion even though there wa little we could except palliative care.

And the gay population refused to listen to any docs or wear condoms. Instead they cried victimhood and oppression.

You have zero idea what you are talking about.


I have a pretty good idea.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 5:17p, 6/8/23
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Sapper Redux said:
dermdoc said:
Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Sorry but this makes me mad.

I was a resident at Baylor College of Medicine at the time. Did skin biopsies for some of Fauci's studies. Even got published on an article describing lymphocyte changes before we discovered the viruses. Every doc I know worked their asses off trying to figure it out and find a cure. And every AIDS patient we took care of was treated with compassion even though there wa little we could except palliative care.

And the gay population refused to listen to any docs or wear condoms. Instead they cried victimhood and oppression.

You have zero idea what you are talking about.


I have a pretty good idea.


So you were at a med center and took care of AIDS patients?
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In reply to dermdoc • 5:18p, 6/8/23
dermdoc said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Wow! I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and proud example of anti-religious bigotry.

Seriously? Some random activist group did more than hundreds of hospitals full of medical professionals all doing their absolute best to help people with a new and unknown illness? I don't even know what to say
Yep. It is sad. He really, really hates religion. Sad.


I don't hate religion. But I'm also not deferential to religious organizations and their pearl clutching while ignoring their own history.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 5:21p, 6/8/23
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Sapper Redux said:
dermdoc said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Wow! I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and proud example of anti-religious bigotry.

Seriously? Some random activist group did more than hundreds of hospitals full of medical professionals all doing their absolute best to help people with a new and unknown illness? I don't even know what to say
Yep. It is sad. He really, really hates religion. Sad.


I don't hate religion. But I'm also not deferential to religious organizations and their pearl clutching while ignoring their own history.


And you and your side do not pearl clutch? And I am not deferential to political takes on health care.

You are a hypocrite.

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The Catholic Church invented free hospitals, orphanages, and the University system, and were innovators in land reclamation, metallurgy, brewing, and transcribing the Bible.

So, I'm pretty proud of our history.
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The Catholic Church invented free hospitals, orphanages, and the University system, and were innovators in land reclamation, metallurgy, brewing, and transcribing the Bible.

So, I'm pretty proud of our history.
Seems like you're being a touch selective.
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In reply to dermdoc • 8:19p, 6/8/23
dermdoc said:
Sapper Redux said:
dermdoc said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Wow! I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and proud example of anti-religious bigotry.

Seriously? Some random activist group did more than hundreds of hospitals full of medical professionals all doing their absolute best to help people with a new and unknown illness? I don't even know what to say
Yep. It is sad. He really, really hates religion. Sad.


I don't hate religion. But I'm also not deferential to religious organizations and their pearl clutching while ignoring their own history.


And you and your side do not pearl clutch? And I am not deferential to political takes on health care.

You are a hypocrite.

How is my position hypocritical?
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 8:35p, 6/8/23
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Thaddeus73 said:
The Catholic Church invented free hospitals, orphanages, and the University system, and were innovators in land reclamation, metallurgy, brewing, and transcribing the Bible.

So, I'm pretty proud of our history.
Seems like you're being a touch selective.


When a person/entity is selectively criticized, they tend to be selective in their responses
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In reply to The Banned • 10:24p, 6/8/23
I am discussing the criticism levied for their reaction to a specific event which resulted in the creation of the group causing so much angst. I'm not talking about the entire history of the Catholic Church. The immediate fall back to a selective list of positives doesn't address the issue at play here. Dealing with the full history of the Church and nuance in the list of accomplishments and failures would take a much longer thread than this.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 5:08a, 6/9/23
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Sapper Redux said:
dermdoc said:
Sapper Redux said:
dermdoc said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Wow! I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and proud example of anti-religious bigotry.

Seriously? Some random activist group did more than hundreds of hospitals full of medical professionals all doing their absolute best to help people with a new and unknown illness? I don't even know what to say
Yep. It is sad. He really, really hates religion. Sad.


I don't hate religion. But I'm also not deferential to religious organizations and their pearl clutching while ignoring their own history.


And you and your side do not pearl clutch? And I am not deferential to political takes on health care.

You are a hypocrite.

How is my position hypocritical?
What is your position? It seems that you are claiming that a small activist group did more to help AIDS patients than the Catholic Church and hospitals and doctors.

And that you "have a pretty good idea" of what was going on during the AIDS deal and yet give no history of actually working in medicine or dealing with AIDS patients. Where do you get your supposed knowledge of what was going on?

Maybe it is more arrogance than hypocrisy.
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That dude was fit... twirling on that pole and cross! J-Lo would be jealous.

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It is a shame that a group that desires to do some much good, chooses to dress up like nuns in order to gain attention. Of course they are not going to impersonate a Muslim Imam, they know better. But nuns? C'mon man, that's low. I read that some nuns were amused and some were offended. Either way, this is part of their "show". Like putting a crucifix in a glass of urine (Piss Christ) - the deal is that they dress like this for a few hours, entertain, get that attention for their cause - then go home.

Women religious on the other hand- have given their life to this vocation. Their habits, what they wear, is an outward sign to the world that they have chosen to set themselves apart -to minister to the poor, the hospitalized, the imprisoned, the dying. Incredible that the LA Dodgers can't see that this is out of bounds.

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In reply to dermdoc • 6:10a, 6/9/23
dermdoc said:
Sapper Redux said:
dermdoc said:
Sapper Redux said:
dermdoc said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
ramblin_ag02 said:
Sapper Redux said:
That group did more good for LGBTQ people during the AIDS epidemic than the Catholic Church has ever done.
I'm not if you are aware, but there are more than 600 Catholic hospitals. There were even more in the 80s and 90s


I stand by what I said. The medical care provided to most AIDS patients in the 80s was hardly worth praising.
Wow! I don't think I've ever seen a more blatant and proud example of anti-religious bigotry.

Seriously? Some random activist group did more than hundreds of hospitals full of medical professionals all doing their absolute best to help people with a new and unknown illness? I don't even know what to say
Yep. It is sad. He really, really hates religion. Sad.


I don't hate religion. But I'm also not deferential to religious organizations and their pearl clutching while ignoring their own history.


And you and your side do not pearl clutch? And I am not deferential to political takes on health care.

You are a hypocrite.

How is my position hypocritical?
What is your position? It seems that you are claiming that a small activist group did more to help AIDS patients than the Catholic Church and hospitals and doctors.

And that you "have a pretty good idea" of what was going on during the AIDS deal and yet give no history of actually working in medicine or dealing with AIDS patients. Where do you get your supposed knowledge of what was going on?

Maybe it is more arrogance than hypocrisy.


I said the they did more than the Church. I didn't say anything about individual doctors and nurses at hospitals, many of whom are not Catholic. And the mistreatment and prejudice towards gay people during the AIDS epidemic in hospitals is very well documented. My anecdotal experience comes from knowing a few gay men impacted by the epidemic and the treatment they and their partners received at the hands of the medical system and churches. Yours comes from a different angle. You may think you were doing all you could. It didn't come across like that to many impacted patients, just so you know.

The group in question is part of the original AIDS quilt because of their tireless efforts and support for those suffering. The Catholic Church is not on the quilt for a reason. Regardless of how many hospitals they have founded.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 7:44a, 6/9/23
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I am discussing the criticism levied for their reaction to a specific event which resulted in the creation of the group causing so much angst. I'm not talking about the entire history of the Catholic Church. The immediate fall back to a selective list of positives doesn't address the issue at play here. Dealing with the full history of the Church and nuance in the list of accomplishments and failures would take a much longer thread than this.


I shared a link from a gay man that refutes what you're saying about the Catholic Church during this time. He is against church teaching, and though the cardinal in New York was a bigot, yet was surprised by how many gay men he visited in the hospitals and how much the church run hospitals were trying to figure out best methods of treatment.

seems like the Catholic Church had the same problem then that it does now. If you don't say everything we're doing is ok, then you just hate us and want us to die. One can be against the action and still want the best for the actors, like the nuns helping care for these men
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