Sapper Redux said:
The Peaky Blinders imagery is ironic. Being crushed could just mean a painful, pointless transformation into goo.
Sapper Redux said:
For the people who don't survive or suffer intensely in harsh situations, it's not "half empty." These kinds of cheap sentiments don't help anyone.
88Warrior said:
Good example of those that see things as half empty vs. half full….
Sapper Redux said:
It's meaningless pablum that harms more than it helps. Tell a grieving spouse or kid that "God never gives you more than you can handle." Or, "this will make you stronger." That's harmful horse**** that minimizes legitimate concerns and grief to try and force it into a theology that for some reason you have to prioritize over the needs of suffering individual.
The Banned said:Sapper Redux said:
It's meaningless pablum that harms more than it helps. Tell a grieving spouse or kid that "God never gives you more than you can handle." Or, "this will make you stronger." That's harmful horse**** that minimizes legitimate concerns and grief to try and force it into a theology that for some reason you have to prioritize over the needs of suffering individual.
How about something like: "this situation absolutely sucks ass. No way around it. It's absolutely unfair to you. Now you decide if you want to fight back or succumb to it".
With all due respect, you seem to have a distorted, almost caricature, like projection of who you think Christians are, what they believe, and how they act in times of grief.Sapper Redux said:
It's meaningless pablum that harms more than it helps. Tell a grieving spouse or kid that "God never gives you more than you can handle." Or, "this will make you stronger." That's harmful horse**** that minimizes legitimate concerns and grief to try and force it into a theology that for some reason you have to prioritize over the needs of suffering individual.
Sapper Redux said:The Banned said:Sapper Redux said:
It's meaningless pablum that harms more than it helps. Tell a grieving spouse or kid that "God never gives you more than you can handle." Or, "this will make you stronger." That's harmful horse**** that minimizes legitimate concerns and grief to try and force it into a theology that for some reason you have to prioritize over the needs of suffering individual.
How about something like: "this situation absolutely sucks ass. No way around it. It's absolutely unfair to you. Now you decide if you want to fight back or succumb to it".
How does that help actually address the problem? Giving people a false sense of agency doesn't help, it just amplifies the odds that you create a new mental health issue.
The Banned said:
How about something like: "this situation absolutely sucks ass. No way around it. It's absolutely unfair to you. Now you decide if you want to fight back or succumb to it".
kurt vonnegut said:The Banned said:
How about something like: "this situation absolutely sucks ass. No way around it. It's absolutely unfair to you. Now you decide if you want to fight back or succumb to it".
I can relate to what you are saying, but I think its flawed in that it assumes that all trials and pressures and unfairnesses can or should yield similar results.
Stresses to perform well in school or work or sports often makes people better. It can be the pressure that turns coal to diamonds. Is child abuse or sexual abuse the type of stress that makes people better? You could still tell someone that is that type of victim that they can fight back or succumb to it - but its more likely that fighting back in their case means learning to live with and deal with something terrible. This isn't the type of stress that is likely to turn coal into diamonds. Is PTSD a trauma that makes people better? Are soldiers that deal with mental stresses weak because they haven't turned horrible war experiences into diamonds?
In Shelby's case, his story is that he was a tunneller for the Brits in WW1. The flashbacks in the show are meant to be horrible and scary and traumatic. His character leaves the war desensitized and cynical. Pressure doesn't always turn coal into diamond, sometimes it makes TNT - at least that is a theme of Peaky Blinders. . . . which is why the original post feels ironic.
The Banned said:
But you aren't suggesting that he had no agency, correct? You're not saying that with adequate mental health resources that he could have had the opportunity to go a different way, correct?
My original post was meant to be short and to the point. This abbreviated conversation would be lengthened in a therapy type scenario. If the pressure applied to him in the war set him (or the sexual abuse victims, etc) on a path that they can't help but to follow, why encourage greater access to mental health treatments? May as well just let people do what they're going to do.
I firmly believe anyone can turn their terrible situation around, regardless of their circumstances. I also believe that is much, much harder for some people than others. This doesn't make them weak. But encouraging a platform of self-determination from "this point on" is kind of the point of seeking help in the first place.