New Columbia Movement: The lefts newest boogieman

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In reply to BluHorseShu • 8:35p, 6/13/22
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BluHorseShu said:
Silian Rail said:
Macarthur said:
BTW, if you continue to use 'libs of TikTok' you should repeatedly be ridiculed because they have been shown to be peddling disinformation, propaganda and using incendiary framing that paints the worst possible light. It's awful and has resulted in people getting death threats. That abomination is going to get someone killed.


Haha "how dare you show what people are doing and saying". Maybe don't try and groom kids.
Do you really think MacArthur as an individual , is trying to groom kids? If your being hyperbolic…maybe take that to F16. I may not agree with him, but this isn't the board for accusing someone unless they've stated it explicitly


Do you believe in morally neutral actions?
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In reply to Macarthur • 8:39p, 6/13/22
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You live in an alternate reality.

BTW, if one of these guys were your son, would you be proud of him?


Everyone on social media lives in an alternate reality. The only people who don't are those disconnected from it.
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12:04a, 6/14/22
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I think LoTT just reposts things others put up publicly on the internet.

They aren't the frauds, but they are victims now of the nuts (aka WaPo fraud reporter hack doxxing her);





But anyway, these events are disgusting.

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In reply to RebelE Infantry • 9:13a, 6/14/22
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Macarthur said:
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Their demonstrations do tend to be civil, so we can deduce that this one most likely would have been as well.

No I do not support them. But I do understand them to a degree.

So, they just threw in some riot gear, just in case the gays got testy?




Yes, actually. They are a prime target for antifa and other agitators so they adopt a defensive posture and come prepared.

You didn't answer if you would be proud of your son for being a part of this group and a part of this incident?

With the caveat that this has not been confirmed, but if this turns out to be true, do you still support this?

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In reply to Macarthur • 9:20a, 6/14/22
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Macarthur said:
RebelE Infantry said:
Macarthur said:
RebelE Infantry said:
Their demonstrations do tend to be civil, so we can deduce that this one most likely would have been as well.

No I do not support them. But I do understand them to a degree.

So, they just threw in some riot gear, just in case the gays got testy?




Yes, actually. They are a prime target for antifa and other agitators so they adopt a defensive posture and come prepared.

You didn't answer if you would be proud of your son for being a part of this group and a part of this incident?

With the caveat that this has not been confirmed, but if this turns out to be true, do you still support this?



Let me help you out- it's not true at all.
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In reply to RebelE Infantry • 9:23a, 6/14/22
Of course, you didn't answer the question.
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In reply to Macarthur • 9:30a, 6/14/22
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Of course, you didn't answer the question.


I've heard that the pride parades are going to use Goldfingers gas to make all the spectators pass out and then rob them. Do you still support Pride if that's true?
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In reply to RebelE Infantry • 9:52a, 6/14/22
Were you there?

I mean, you're claiming to understand the position of avowed white supremacists / neo-Nazis.
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In reply to Silian Rail • 10:10a, 6/14/22
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Macarthur said:
Of course, you didn't answer the question.


I've heard that the pride parades are going to use Goldfingers gas to make all the spectators pass out and then rob them. Do you still support Pride if that's true?
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 10:13a, 6/14/22
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Sapper Redux said:
Were you there?

I mean, you're claiming to understand the position of avowed white supremacists / neo-Nazis.


Well, Sapper, I can use the powers of reason to deduce that they would have behaved as they always have.

Just as I can reasonably deduce that violence and destruction will likely accompany a BLM/antifa by looking at past performance.

Or that a pride parade will include all manner of sexual degeneracy on display in front of children.

This is kind of basic stuff…
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In reply to AGC • 10:59a, 6/14/22
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AGC said:
BluHorseShu said:
Silian Rail said:
Macarthur said:
BTW, if you continue to use 'libs of TikTok' you should repeatedly be ridiculed because they have been shown to be peddling disinformation, propaganda and using incendiary framing that paints the worst possible light. It's awful and has resulted in people getting death threats. That abomination is going to get someone killed.


Haha "how dare you show what people are doing and saying". Maybe don't try and groom kids.
Do you really think MacArthur as an individual , is trying to groom kids? If your being hyperbolic…maybe take that to F16. I may not agree with him, but this isn't the board for accusing someone unless they've stated it explicitly


Do you believe in morally neutral actions?
No, but I think there's a difference in accusing someone of proactively doing something as opposed to just standing on the sidelines. It's like prolifers who say, "well, I voted for a prolife politician, so my efforts to stop abortion are sufficient"
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In reply to BluHorseShu • 11:10a, 6/14/22
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BluHorseShu said:
AGC said:
BluHorseShu said:
Silian Rail said:
Macarthur said:
BTW, if you continue to use 'libs of TikTok' you should repeatedly be ridiculed because they have been shown to be peddling disinformation, propaganda and using incendiary framing that paints the worst possible light. It's awful and has resulted in people getting death threats. That abomination is going to get someone killed.


Haha "how dare you show what people are doing and saying". Maybe don't try and groom kids.
Do you really think MacArthur as an individual , is trying to groom kids? If your being hyperbolic…maybe take that to F16. I may not agree with him, but this isn't the board for accusing someone unless they've stated it explicitly


Do you believe in morally neutral actions?
No, but I think there's a difference in accusing someone of proactively doing something as opposed to just standing on the sidelines. It's like prolifers who say, "well, I voted for a prolife politician, so my efforts to stop abortion are sufficient"


So macarthur doesn't personally take his kids there but defends other people's ability to do so and doesn't find it to be harmful. If you research groomers they rely on others to help them gain access by looking the other way (if not actively helping them). Whether we like it or not, mac is standing in the gap right now. He could say it's wrong and stop it by condemning it and voicing his concern but he's equivocating and saying it's not his choice.
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In reply to AGC • 11:16a, 6/14/22
You need to quit being so cavalier with that term of groomers. That is a very specific term that is very serious.
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In reply to RebelE Infantry • 11:22a, 6/14/22
RebelE Infantry said:
Sapper Redux said:
Were you there?

I mean, you're claiming to understand the position of avowed white supremacists / neo-Nazis.


Well, Sapper, I can use the powers of reason to deduce that they would have behaved as they always have.

Just as I can reasonably deduce that violence and destruction will likely accompany a BLM/antifa by looking at past performance.

Or that a pride parade will include all manner of sexual degeneracy on display in front of children.

This is kind of basic stuff…


As they always have? You mean violently and combatively, hoping for an excuse to use force? And of course you jump to issues during BLM. That's literally all you have while defending avowed white supremacists.
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In reply to Macarthur • 11:23a, 6/14/22
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You need to quit being so cavalier with that term of groomers. That is a very specific term that is very serious.


It's their latest Fox News word of the week.
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In reply to Macarthur • 11:25a, 6/14/22
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Macarthur said:
You need to quit being so cavalier with that term of groomers. That is a very specific term that is very serious.


No, he doesn't. The behavior on display at these events is absolutely grooming, and you can either stand against it or look the other way.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 11:30a, 6/14/22
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Sapper Redux said:
RebelE Infantry said:
Sapper Redux said:
Were you there?

I mean, you're claiming to understand the position of avowed white supremacists / neo-Nazis.


Well, Sapper, I can use the powers of reason to deduce that they would have behaved as they always have.

Just as I can reasonably deduce that violence and destruction will likely accompany a BLM/antifa by looking at past performance.

Or that a pride parade will include all manner of sexual degeneracy on display in front of children.

This is kind of basic stuff…


As they always have? You mean violently and combatively, hoping for an excuse to use force? And of course you jump to issues during BLM. That's literally all you have while defending avowed white supremacists.


PF's protest history consists of marching around with their megaphone and flags (a bit silly and ineffective if you want my true opinion) while carrying shields to defend themselves. Saying that "this is an excuse to use force" sounds an awful lot like blaming victims of violent mob attacks.

And of course I use BLM as an example. It makes perfect sense to draw comparisons and distinctions between various groups of organized protestors. And it's not like we all didn't sit around and watch on TV as one of these groups rampaged across the country like a Mongol horde just 2 years ago…
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In reply to Macarthur • 11:37a, 6/14/22
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Macarthur said:
You need to quit being so cavalier with that term of groomers. That is a very specific term that is very serious.


As someone who's undergone training multiple times to work with youth at church and been actively involved in an anti-trafficking org for three plus years I know damn well what grooming is and how to use the term. It isn't just related to pedophiles so if that's what you think your information is way out of date.

I also know groomers rely on people looking the other way or trying to rationalize red flags, like how taking kids to drag shows and pride parades is normal. Normalization is part of it, making sex background noise that's always there. If you feel like I'm accusing you of grooming that's your own conscience because I've never said that nor would I. I've simply said you're looking the other way while it happens.
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In reply to AGC • 11:39a, 6/14/22
Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?
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In reply to Macarthur • 11:48a, 6/14/22
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Macarthur said:
Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?


I've given years of my life and a material portion of my income to fighting domestic minor sex trafficking in a secular organization. I've rattled off in the past how pimps choose their victims and how they groom them. You can search the forums if you really care (but I don't think you do). Your lack of awareness of what the term means and reliance on politico and sapper's robin to your Batman to bash the red herring of Fox News speaks to how seriously you want to engage.

I can't make you see what you don't want to see. I hope you're smart enough not to take your kids to these events.
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11:51a, 6/14/22
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Marxist>CRT>Grooming

All moral panic buzzwords that get low information voters riled up.
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In reply to Macarthur • 11:51a, 6/14/22
Macarthur said:
Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?
Since you are so offended at the term "grooming", explain to me what is the purpose in having transvestites come read to children in a library? Does the LGBTQ community feel a duty to teach children of normal people to read? What do transvestites and kids reading have to do with each other?

It was always another way to act out in a shocking, deviant way and normalize their sexual perversion to kids. And regular people naturally find it disgusting, even if we're told by big corporations that we need to celebrate it.
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In reply to schmendeler • 12:04p, 6/14/22
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Marxist>CRT>Grooming

All moral panic buzzwords that get low information voters riled up.


No irony in this post.
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In reply to Johnny04 • 12:05p, 6/14/22
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Macarthur said:
Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?
Since you are so offended at the term "grooming", explain to me what is the purpose in having transvestites come read to children in a library? Does the LGBTQ community feel a duty to teach children of normal people to read? What do transvestites and kids reading have to do with each other?

It was always another way to act out in a shocking, deviant way and normalize their sexual perversion to kids. And regular people naturally find it disgusting, even if we're told by big corporations that we need to celebrate it.

It's always projection with you guys....


I don't have the answer to what the purpose is for all of these but this was a quote from one of the mother's that organized one of these in Texas.

"I want trans kids to know they're perfect as they are and that they're worth fighting for," Briggle told the Record-Chronicle. "We have to celebrate these children. Reading a book with a transgender theme does not make kids transgender, but it does make transgender kids feel empowered."


If you don't want your kids exposed to it, don't go!
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In reply to Macarthur • 12:24p, 6/14/22
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Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?

I've taken trainings through various secular and non-secular environments with no difference between the two, so I am not sure what youre getting at.

I love and applaud your takes on many posts and you are a great contributor to the discussion here...but this is not one I think you continue down. Yes, please continue being against the Patriot Front stuff and everything else...but don't cast your lot with actual grooming just to oppose them.

Blu is absolutely correct with a previous take - this children in drag stuff is just as bad as all the other forms of child "sexplotiation" like pageants and whatnot.
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In reply to diehard03 • 1:02p, 6/14/22
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Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?

I've taken trainings through various secular and non-secular environments with no difference between the two, so I am not sure what youre getting at.

I love and applaud your takes on many posts and you are a great contributor to the discussion here...but this is not one I think you continue down. Yes, please continue being against the Patriot Front stuff and everything else...but don't cast your lot with actual grooming just to oppose them.

Blu is absolutely correct with a previous take - this children in drag stuff is just as bad as all the other forms of child "sexplotiation" like pageants and whatnot.

I guess where it comes down to, for me, is that there are degrees to everything. I'm sure someone could dig up video that we would all agree crosses a line. And there's also some that I've seen that is pretty innocuous.

What I object to is the immediate implication that because someone is trans or gay or lesbian and they participate in these things it is automatically sexually deviant and those people are sexual deviants who only want to prey on children.


Based on Pew, there are about 1.6% of the population that identifies as trans or nonbinary. That is an incredibly small % of people of the population. And when you break it down further to those that are actual pedophiles, you get incredibly small numbers.

When contrasted against recent reports of estimates into the hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults within churches and the amount of effort to cover those up, it strikes me as more than a bit misguided all the attention being paid to this particular issue.
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In reply to Macarthur • 1:12p, 6/14/22
Macarthur said:
diehard03 said:
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Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?

I've taken trainings through various secular and non-secular environments with no difference between the two, so I am not sure what youre getting at.

I love and applaud your takes on many posts and you are a great contributor to the discussion here...but this is not one I think you continue down. Yes, please continue being against the Patriot Front stuff and everything else...but don't cast your lot with actual grooming just to oppose them.

Blu is absolutely correct with a previous take - this children in drag stuff is just as bad as all the other forms of child "sexplotiation" like pageants and whatnot.

I guess where it comes down to, for me, is that there are degrees to everything. I'm sure someone could dig up video that we would all agree crosses a line. And there's also some that I've seen that is pretty innocuous.

What I object to is the immediate implication that because someone is trans or gay or lesbian and they participate in these things it is automatically sexually deviant and those people are sexual deviants who only want to prey on children.


Based on Pew, there are about 1.6% of the population that identifies as trans or nonbinary. That is an incredibly small % of people of the population. And when you break it down further to those that are actual pedophiles, you get incredibly small numbers.

When contrasted against recent reports of estimates into the hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults within churches and the amount of effort to cover those up, it strikes me as more than a bit misguided all the attention being paid to this particular issue.


Yes, but they're trying to groom the next generation, so to speak
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What I object to is the immediate implication that because someone is trans or gay or lesbian and they participate in these things it is automatically sexually deviant and those people are sexual deviants who only want to prey on children.
The context matters right? Like the quote you posted, there's an agenda behind it. I don't think we are discussing mere participation here. There no agreement on what "trans kids" even are.

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Based on Pew, there are about 1.6% of the population that identifies as trans or nonbinary. That is an incredibly small % of people of the population. And when you break it down further to those that are actual pedophiles, you get incredibly small numbers.
Maybe it's my manufacturing background talking, but I see 1.6% as trans/nonbinary as massive and must include a large portion of "false positives" to be accurate. Over 1 out of 100 people having this "switch flipped" and in the wrong body? That doesn't seem right to me (please feel free to correct me though) edit: I realize that non-binary is included and isn't quite the same, but the same principle applies - too high a %.

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When contrasted against recent reports of estimates into the hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults within churches and the amount of effort to cover those up, it strikes me as more than a bit misguided all the attention being paid to this particular issue.

eh, thats its own argument and only serves to rile people up. This is humans behaving badly and completely against the tenets of the faith itself.
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In reply to diehard03 • 2:01p, 6/14/22
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Based on Pew, there are about 1.6% of the population that identifies as trans or nonbinary. That is an incredibly small % of people of the population. And when you break it down further to those that are actual pedophiles, you get incredibly small numbers.

Maybe it's my manufacturing background talking, but I see 1.6% as trans/nonbinary as massive and must include a large portion of "false positives" to be accurate. Over 1 out of 100 people having this "switch flipped" and in the wrong body? That doesn't seem right to me (please feel free to correct me though) edit: I realize that non-binary is included and isn't quite the same, but the same principle applies - too high a %.



Yeah, it would be interesting to break out that nonbinary.

So, what's interesting is I think you make a good point as it relates to raw numbers. I went back and found a source that claims about 0.6% of the population as trans, so I think the takeaway is that this number is pretty hard to pin down.

HOwever, I think the overarching point I was trying to make still stands and that is the number is really low based on the level of fervor.


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When contrasted against recent reports of estimates into the hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults within churches and the amount of effort to cover those up, it strikes me as more than a bit misguided all the attention being paid to this particular issue.


eh, thats its own argument and only serves to rile people up. This is humans behaving badly and completely against the tenets of the faith itself.


But I think it's important because I'm using it to further my point about proportionality. I know some may think differently, but my intent here wasn't to dunk on religion but to show that proportionally there are elements of sexual abuse that should garner far more attention than the trans community.
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In reply to Silian Rail • 2:04p, 6/14/22
Silian Rail said:
Macarthur said:
diehard03 said:
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Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?

I've taken trainings through various secular and non-secular environments with no difference between the two, so I am not sure what youre getting at.

I love and applaud your takes on many posts and you are a great contributor to the discussion here...but this is not one I think you continue down. Yes, please continue being against the Patriot Front stuff and everything else...but don't cast your lot with actual grooming just to oppose them.

Blu is absolutely correct with a previous take - this children in drag stuff is just as bad as all the other forms of child "sexplotiation" like pageants and whatnot.

I guess where it comes down to, for me, is that there are degrees to everything. I'm sure someone could dig up video that we would all agree crosses a line. And there's also some that I've seen that is pretty innocuous.

What I object to is the immediate implication that because someone is trans or gay or lesbian and they participate in these things it is automatically sexually deviant and those people are sexual deviants who only want to prey on children.


Based on Pew, there are about 1.6% of the population that identifies as trans or nonbinary. That is an incredibly small % of people of the population. And when you break it down further to those that are actual pedophiles, you get incredibly small numbers.

When contrasted against recent reports of estimates into the hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults within churches and the amount of effort to cover those up, it strikes me as more than a bit misguided all the attention being paid to this particular issue.


Yes, but they're trying to groom the next generation, so to speak


Ah, dehumanizing a small group, those you deem "other," while positing them as a threat to "normal people." This always goes well, historically speaking.
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 2:11p, 6/14/22
Sapper Redux said:
Silian Rail said:
Macarthur said:
diehard03 said:
Quote:
Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?

I've taken trainings through various secular and non-secular environments with no difference between the two, so I am not sure what youre getting at.

I love and applaud your takes on many posts and you are a great contributor to the discussion here...but this is not one I think you continue down. Yes, please continue being against the Patriot Front stuff and everything else...but don't cast your lot with actual grooming just to oppose them.

Blu is absolutely correct with a previous take - this children in drag stuff is just as bad as all the other forms of child "sexplotiation" like pageants and whatnot.

I guess where it comes down to, for me, is that there are degrees to everything. I'm sure someone could dig up video that we would all agree crosses a line. And there's also some that I've seen that is pretty innocuous.

What I object to is the immediate implication that because someone is trans or gay or lesbian and they participate in these things it is automatically sexually deviant and those people are sexual deviants who only want to prey on children.


Based on Pew, there are about 1.6% of the population that identifies as trans or nonbinary. That is an incredibly small % of people of the population. And when you break it down further to those that are actual pedophiles, you get incredibly small numbers.

When contrasted against recent reports of estimates into the hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults within churches and the amount of effort to cover those up, it strikes me as more than a bit misguided all the attention being paid to this particular issue.


Yes, but they're trying to groom the next generation, so to speak


Ah, dehumanizing a small group, those you deem "other," while positing them as a threat to "normal people." This always goes well, historically speaking.
had no clue you were an Afrikaner apologist.
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Fear...Fear...Fear. It's all you guys have.


So I'm clear, was this 'groomer training' through your church organzations?

I've taken trainings through various secular and non-secular environments with no difference between the two, so I am not sure what youre getting at.

I love and applaud your takes on many posts and you are a great contributor to the discussion here...but this is not one I think you continue down. Yes, please continue being against the Patriot Front stuff and everything else...but don't cast your lot with actual grooming just to oppose them.

Blu is absolutely correct with a previous take - this children in drag stuff is just as bad as all the other forms of child "sexplotiation" like pageants and whatnot.

I guess where it comes down to, for me, is that there are degrees to everything. I'm sure someone could dig up video that we would all agree crosses a line. And there's also some that I've seen that is pretty innocuous.

What I object to is the immediate implication that because someone is trans or gay or lesbian and they participate in these things it is automatically sexually deviant and those people are sexual deviants who only want to prey on children.


Based on Pew, there are about 1.6% of the population that identifies as trans or nonbinary. That is an incredibly small % of people of the population. And when you break it down further to those that are actual pedophiles, you get incredibly small numbers.

When contrasted against recent reports of estimates into the hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults within churches and the amount of effort to cover those up, it strikes me as more than a bit misguided all the attention being paid to this particular issue.


Yes, but they're trying to groom the next generation, so to speak


Ah, dehumanizing a small group, those you deem "other," while positing them as a threat to "normal people." This always goes well, historically speaking.
had no clue you were an Afrikaner apologist.


I wasn't sure what the stupidest response to my point would be, but by God you found it.
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However, I think the overarching point I was trying to make still stands and that is the number is really low based on the level of fervor.
We are at peak "us vs them" in that both sides pick crazy positions just to prove how not "them" "us" is. (this is actually fascinating in that it's not kicking someone out of one's circle...it's choosing defining characteristics of your circle based on what someone else's are)

Theres a certain irony that the position of "family friendly drag shows are awesome" is the exact same as "everyone having access to AR15s is awesome".
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But I think it's important because I'm using it to further my point about proportionality. I know some may think differently, but my intent here wasn't to dunk on religion but to show that proportionally there are elements of sexual abuse that should garner far more attention than the trans community.
There's no zero sum to being able to say something is right or wrong. The Catholics here already know how much non-Catholics bring this up.
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Theres a certain irony that the position of "family friendly drag shows are awesome" is the exact same as "everyone having access to AR15s is awesome".
you're gonna have to walk me through that one
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Were you there?

I mean, you're claiming to understand the position of avowed white supremacists / neo-Nazis.


Well, Sapper, I can use the powers of reason to deduce that they would have behaved as they always have.

Just as I can reasonably deduce that violence and destruction will likely accompany a BLM/antifa by looking at past performance.

Or that a pride parade will include all manner of sexual degeneracy on display in front of children.

This is kind of basic stuff…


As they always have? You mean violently and combatively, hoping for an excuse to use force? And of course you jump to issues during BLM. That's literally all you have while defending avowed white supremacists.


PF's protest history consists of marching around with their megaphone and flags (a bit silly and ineffective if you want my true opinion) while carrying shields to defend themselves. Saying that "this is an excuse to use force" sounds an awful lot like blaming victims of violent mob attacks.

And of course I use BLM as an example. It makes perfect sense to draw comparisons and distinctions between various groups of organized protestors. And it's not like we all didn't sit around and watch on TV as one of these groups rampaged across the country like a Mongol horde just 2 years ago…
But we can all agree PF and BLM are both groups of idiots. The distinction is that BLM was not held accountable and PF was arrested preemptively. I'd have to have more info on the PF arrest situation. I believe all have since been released. I guarantee that Coeur d'Alene is a very right leaning area, so if the police arrested them, they did so out of reasonable suspicion. But now those officers are getting death threats. I guess next time they'll wait until a riot happens and people are injured or killed. Constitutional rights should not be supressed…but what if it prevents a massacre? Tough choices
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