As for your last questions - I think it all depends on what you wish to get out of engaging in a discussion with people with different ideas. If you've already decided that anything from a secularist's mouth is nonsense, then why even engage us?
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You are a troll, and will remain one. And if you don't believe me how much money you willing to put on it
Oh look, more name calling. I don't want any of your dad's money, and don't gamble on the Ags, or anything else. At least for a while you were funny.Aggrad08 said:
You are a troll, and will remain one. And if you don't believe me how much money you willing to put on it
Dude all you do is troll and you complain about being called foolish? Your shtick is so well known here and is tired and sad. You've been insulting almost always, even in your last few posts you insinuate I live with my parants because your argument is ignorant and complain I'm insulting? And you want to talk about responsibility? Where is your responsibility? You are being treated as you deserve.
So continue to complain when I point out the weakness of your arguments-which I haven't failed to notice you won't defend while crying about being called names.
And I'd gladly take your money, I'm almost sure you lack the courage. It's particularly easy my father isn't in the same country and my mother is dead and my name is on all the documents for my house. Come on lose some money.
Hell I'll donate it to a charity-but of my choice not yours.
So continue to complain when I point out the weakness of your arguments-which I haven't failed to notice you won't defend while crying about being called names.
And I'd gladly take your money, I'm almost sure you lack the courage. It's particularly easy my father isn't in the same country and my mother is dead and my name is on all the documents for my house. Come on lose some money.
Hell I'll donate it to a charity-but of my choice not yours.
Kind of incredible that guy thinks he is somehow winning this whole discussion. Went absolutely crazy over adults being raised in single parents/living with their parents into their 30's, and has been on an emotional tirade for days now.
Correct, trends that have been present, and accelerating, for decades now.Ol_Ag_02 said:
We're violent because we don't emphasize that all life is precious and that every single man, woman, and child is created in the image of God.
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As Christian Adams wrote in 2018: Flashback 30 Years: Guns Were in Schools… and Nothing Happened.Quote:
What changed? The mainstreaming of nihilism. Cultural decay. Chemicals. The deliberate destruction of moral backstops in the culture. A lost commonality of shared societal pressures to enforce right and wrong. And above all, simple, pure, evil.
Before you retort that we can't account for the mentally ill, they existed forever.
Paranoid schizophrenics existed in 1888 and 2018. Mentally ill students weren't showing up in schools with guns even three decades ago.
So it must be something else.
Those who have been so busy destroying the moral backstops in our culture won't want to have this conversation. They'll do what they do mock the truth.
There was a time in America, before the Snowflakes, when any adult on the block could reprimand a neighborhood kid who was out of line without fear.
Even thirty years ago, the culture still had invisible restraints developed over centuries. Those restraints, those leveling commonalities, were the target of a half-century of attack by the freewheeling counterculture that has now become the dominant replacement culture.
Hollywood made fun of these restraints in films too numerous to list.
The sixties mantra "don't trust anyone over thirty" has become a billion-dollar industry devoted to the child always being right a sometimes deeply medicated brat who disrupts the classroom or escapes what used to be resolved with a paddling.
Instead of telling the kid to quit kicking the back of the seat on a plane, we buy seat guards to protect the seat.
If you think it's bad now, just wait until the generation whose babysitter is an iPhone is in high school. You can hardly walk around Walmart these days without tripping over a toddler in a trance, staring at a screen.
The high school kids who shot rifles in school in 1985 were taught right and wrong. They were taught what to do with their rifle in school, and what not to do. If they got out of line, all the other students and the coach would have come down on them hard. There were no safe spaces, and that was a good thing.
simply pointing out you are ignorant is going crazy? Lots of entertainment value
Ol_Ag_02 said:
We're violent because we don't emphasize that all life is precious and that every single man, woman, and child is created in the image of God.
Far more secular countries have far, far less violence.
Please name a couple of these countries - I'll bet every one of them has advantages that the "violent" secular countries lack.Sapper Redux said:Ol_Ag_02 said:
We're violent because we don't emphasize that all life is precious and that every single man, woman, and child is created in the image of God.
Far more secular countries have far, far less violence.
This is like me saying "far more secular countries have far, far more violence".
Rongagin71 said:Please name a couple of these countries - I'll bet every one of them has advantages that the "violent" secular countries lack.Sapper Redux said:Ol_Ag_02 said:
We're violent because we don't emphasize that all life is precious and that every single man, woman, and child is created in the image of God.
Far more secular countries have far, far less violence.
This is like me saying "far more secular countries have far, far more violence".
Look up any other developed nation. We are unusually religious amongst the developed world and we are unusually violent. In fact, our most violent regions in this country also tend to be more religious.
I actually think that while religion can be very good if taught as a moral compass to youngsters, it can also be misused to justify most anything (slavery being a favorite example) including righteous violence.
Religion used to be required by the Aristocracy for some good reasons like controlling the peons.
Countries that went Protestant in Europe (Germany and Sweden to name two with very different violence reputations) tended to do so in part as revolt against the Aristocracy - and to become more socialistic and less religious than Britain/America/Spain.
As far as violent rates go, is Chicago religious?
Religion used to be required by the Aristocracy for some good reasons like controlling the peons.
Countries that went Protestant in Europe (Germany and Sweden to name two with very different violence reputations) tended to do so in part as revolt against the Aristocracy - and to become more socialistic and less religious than Britain/America/Spain.
As far as violent rates go, is Chicago religious?
Chicago is always the boogeyman. Funny that. Can't imagine why. It's violent crime rates are far better than many cities and counties in red states.
White are you trying to imply?
This is where I resort to the old Nortex happy crier - if you really think crime rates from out of control, often anti-police cities, are valid as compared to cities that actually collect crime data at a much higher rate of competency than the poorly run Dem-monopolized cities.Sapper Redux said:
Chicago is always the boogeyman. Funny that. Can't imagine why. It's violent crime rates are far better than many cities and counties in red states.
And Chicago has gone way beyond boogeyman in certain areas of the city.
LOL, as some may know I keep sapper on ignore, but in this instance thanks for quoting him.
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I won't pick on beetlejuice. Some people get the government they deserve.
63 million babies have been killed in abortions. No wonder our nation has a lack of respect for human life.
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Bruh I'm looking at the history of school shootings. Mind-blowing, kids brought guns to school until the 70s.
— Revisionist History (@Mast3rmo) May 25, 2022
Only 3 school mass shootings between 1903-1966.
What happened?
(Didnt take off until the 90s)
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Being religious doesn't prevent people from committing violence, people commit violence in the name of religion all the time. If they weren't religious they would probably find some other reason.
Any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still know where his towel is, is clearly a man to be reckoned with.
Yes, a good, thoughtful twitter thread. Kind of weird.swimmerbabe11 said:Bruh I'm looking at the history of school shootings. Mind-blowing, kids brought guns to school until the 70s.
— Revisionist History (@Mast3rmo) May 25, 2022
Only 3 school mass shootings between 1903-1966.
What happened?
(Didnt take off until the 90s)
America leading the world in substance abuse disorder. Theres Over reliance on pharma.
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Worth also noting the countries with the highest homicide rate (most in southern hemisphere) have strict gun bans
The 2008-2016 policies that led to Parkland, Trayvon Martin's death (he was out of school because they wouldn't discipline him when he got killed), etc. really had a big impact on our youth.
meh, he blew it with that silly list at the end that essentially exists to put the US at number 11. Those countries, save for France, have approx 5M or so people, so any stat based on "per million" will overweigh individual incidents. Hardly something you can extrapolate.
LOL, ok, sure stud.
The stats are blatantly manipulated to present only one side. Norway is clearly not the worst place in the world for mass shootings. Instead, they had ONE massive incident. If you use the mean instead of the median, the US rockets to the top. Why? Because those other nations have one or two shootings in 8 years while the US has multiple shootings every single year. Your odds in a given year of being in a mass shooting in Norway are zero. Your odds in the US are much higher than zero.
That all depends on what you mean by shootings. Depending on the database or definition you use there could be an order of magnitude difference in number (e.g., here).
Total victims (killed+injured) for that particular year ranged from 600-2240 in a country of 325 million. That puts the raw odds of being injured or killed in a mass shooting in the US at somewhere between 1 and 3 in 500,000. Or in other words roughly the same odds as being struck by lightning.
Then again we also know that even a cursory glance at those numbers shows that the higher end of those estimates are related to drug and gang violence. What would be interesting is to show relative risk on a like for like basis - number of not drug, not gang related mass shooting casualties in each country, per capita.
If we don't have people arguing for common sense lightning protection, we shouldn't have people worrying about mass shootings. And yet...
Total victims (killed+injured) for that particular year ranged from 600-2240 in a country of 325 million. That puts the raw odds of being injured or killed in a mass shooting in the US at somewhere between 1 and 3 in 500,000. Or in other words roughly the same odds as being struck by lightning.
Then again we also know that even a cursory glance at those numbers shows that the higher end of those estimates are related to drug and gang violence. What would be interesting is to show relative risk on a like for like basis - number of not drug, not gang related mass shooting casualties in each country, per capita.
If we don't have people arguing for common sense lightning protection, we shouldn't have people worrying about mass shootings. And yet...
And yet people can't own lightening and use it against other people. Mass shootings is one metric. If you want to talk gun violence in general we're even worse off than the rest of the developed world. Believe it or not, they have gangs and drugs in places like France and Germany and they still don't come close to our levels of gun violence. Of course, a lot of that gun violence is intimate partner violence and there's a lot of suicide as well. Suicide attempts are far less deadly in places with fewer guns.
Afghan insurgents with only AKs did is this a serious argument?Macarthur said:
Here's another thing that bugs the hell out of me.
What are these guys doing with body armor? So no red flags should go up that somebody buys a couple of AR's, over 300 rounds of ammo and some body armor?
Wonder if Jews in Germany wish they had guns circa ww2...What about Cambodians during POL POTS reign ...Is this a serious argument?larry culpepper said:
The whole idea of "I have muh guns to fight the tyrannical gubbment" is nothing more than a stupid fantasy, almost as stupid as Texas seceding.
It made sense in the 18th century when we were being harassed by a British monarch. But it's such a silly idea now. You have every right to protect yourself and your family but please stop it with this fantasy about you and your well armed friends overthrowing the democrats or something.
And a bunch of kids being murdered in a classroom isn't an acceptable price to pay for this fantasy.
What colonial college to you teach at?Sapper Redux said:Ol_Ag_02 said:Macarthur said:
There's no single thing to point to but it is clear that we have a sickness.
This is being reported as the gun dealer that sold the gun to the kid in Uvalde. If you don't see this as a part of this sickness, you need to do some soul searching.
Well.
For starters the kid in the picture appears to have a father in his life. This man Ramos, did not.
The Columbine shooters had active fathers in their lives. And overall violence is down over preceding generations, which suggests your preferred argument may be little leaky.
Care to post the demographics of this violence?Sapper Redux said:Rongagin71 said:Please name a couple of these countries - I'll bet every one of them has advantages that the "violent" secular countries lack.Sapper Redux said:Ol_Ag_02 said:
We're violent because we don't emphasize that all life is precious and that every single man, woman, and child is created in the image of God.
Far more secular countries have far, far less violence.
This is like me saying "far more secular countries have far, far more violence".
Look up any other developed nation. We are unusually religious amongst the developed world and we are unusually violent. In fact, our most violent regions in this country also tend to be more religious.
Charles Coghlan said:What colonial college to you teach at?Sapper Redux said:Ol_Ag_02 said:Macarthur said:
There's no single thing to point to but it is clear that we have a sickness.
This is being reported as the gun dealer that sold the gun to the kid in Uvalde. If you don't see this as a part of this sickness, you need to do some soul searching.
Well.
For starters the kid in the picture appears to have a father in his life. This man Ramos, did not.
The Columbine shooters had active fathers in their lives. And overall violence is down over preceding generations, which suggests your preferred argument may be little leaky.
Why are you using the name of a known antisemite and fascist as a username?
Charles Coghlan said:Wonder if Jews in Germany wish they had guns circa ww2...What about Cambodians during POL POTS reign ...Is this a serious argument?larry culpepper said:
The whole idea of "I have muh guns to fight the tyrannical gubbment" is nothing more than a stupid fantasy, almost as stupid as Texas seceding.
It made sense in the 18th century when we were being harassed by a British monarch. But it's such a silly idea now. You have every right to protect yourself and your family but please stop it with this fantasy about you and your well armed friends overthrowing the democrats or something.
And a bunch of kids being murdered in a classroom isn't an acceptable price to pay for this fantasy.
Map out for us how Jewish resistance to the Nazis would have actually worked when every one of their neighbors were also armed and were murderously antisemitic?
Sapper Redux said:
And yet people can't own lightening and use it against other people. Mass shootings is one metric. If you want to talk gun violence in general we're even worse off than the rest of the developed world. Believe it or not, they have gangs and drugs in places like France and Germany and they still don't come close to our levels of gun violence. Of course, a lot of that gun violence is intimate partner violence and there's a lot of suicide as well. Suicide attempts are far less deadly in places with fewer guns.
Observe the subtle shift away from mass shootings odds being "much higher than zero".
They are much higher than 0 in comparison to every other developed nation. Which is exactly what I said. Notice your subtle shift away from any actual engagement.
Sapper Redux said:
Chicago is always the boogeyman. Funny that. Can't imagine why. It's violent crime rates are far better than many cities and counties in red states.
Holy crap. I've been on vacation and off texags. But what is this? And I assume the five likes are jokesters??
Chicago has a lower per capita crime rate than Nashville, Anchorage, Little Rock, St. Louis, Springfield, MO, Cleveland, and 13 other American cities.chap said:Sapper Redux said:
Chicago is always the boogeyman. Funny that. Can't imagine why. It's violent crime rates are far better than many cities and counties in red states.
Holy crap. I've been on vacation and off texags. But what is this? And I assume the five likes are jokesters??
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