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Please show me where I've said that? If you can't have this conversation without misrepresentation that's ok, we don't need to.
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diehard03 said:Quote:
Please show me where I've said that? If you can't have this conversation without misrepresentation that's ok, we don't need to.
I can only go by what you've posted and tried to interpret the best i can. I have no interest or agenda in intentionally misrepresenting you to "win" something on a message board.
People have offered suggestions and you've disregarded them because you don't think it would have stopped 2 school shootings...nevermind the countless other gun deaths.
we can only interpret your standard as "all or nothing" because that's what you've presented to us.
Macarthur said:
There is one thing in all this that, for whatever reason, keeps sticking with me.
Body Armor.
Can we all, at least, agree that someone buying a few guns, tons of ammo and body armor should cause some sort of red flag of attention?
Duncan Idaho said:
Such a weasel.
If you didn't know the context, the way these people are speaking about the "parents that won't get to kss their kid good night" or "grieving parents" or "tragedy" and all the other statements about not being the place for politics/policy discussion you could think they were taking about a bus wreck or an industrial accident or a bunch of kids that died from cancer.
THE key and the ONLY key to getting any, and. I mean any, gun reform through is to release the crime scene photos.
Nothing will change the ammosexuals minds but the crime scene photos of children shot in the face with a 5.56 would knock everyone to the left of 16chan back to reality.
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Accusations of trying to 'win' online debates on forums? I understand why you and others perceive me that way but he and I are dissimilar in style and reputation (least of all substance). He offered a gracious exit and you've turned it back on him by doubling down and saying it's ok to misinterpret him because your desire for information or a response that you personally deem adequate isn't satisfied. This is not the way.
Duncan Idaho said:
It would be no different than releasing pictures from the death camps, thosr picture of the people jumping from the towers on 9/11, etc. The fact that you think that releasing them shows some kind of defect on my side just proves how effective they would be.
The shooter was inside Robb Elementary School for 40 minutes or more. Meanwhile, witnesses say police stood around outside, preventing parents from going in #ReasonRoundup https://t.co/fpb8x3FXGo
— reason (@reason) May 26, 2022
schmendeler said:
Photos of the aftermath of a school shooting: we must not allow this to happen
Actual school shooting: there's nothing to be done here
AGC said:Macarthur said:
There is one thing in all this that, for whatever reason, keeps sticking with me.
Body Armor.
Can we all, at least, agree that someone buying a few guns, tons of ammo and body armor should cause some sort of red flag of attention?
Did he have body armor? From an AP article:
" Officers found one of the rifles in Ramos' truck, the other in the school, according to the briefing given to lawmakers. Ramos was wearing a tactical vest, but it had no hardened body-armor plates inside, lawmakers were told. He also dropped a backpack containing several magazines full of ammunition near the school entrance."
This is why we wait to make decisions instead of just doing something. Your idea wouldn't have triggered any red flags.
Duncan Idaho said:
It worked with Emmett Till. I disagree with swimmer, it was effective with later term abortions and it solidified a split in the minds of most of the public's acceptance between early stage abortion (being pretty much ok with) and late stage abortions (being overwhelmingly against)
schmendeler said:The shooter was inside Robb Elementary School for 40 minutes or more. Meanwhile, witnesses say police stood around outside, preventing parents from going in #ReasonRoundup https://t.co/fpb8x3FXGo
— reason (@reason) May 26, 2022
Macarthur said:AGC said:Macarthur said:
There is one thing in all this that, for whatever reason, keeps sticking with me.
Body Armor.
Can we all, at least, agree that someone buying a few guns, tons of ammo and body armor should cause some sort of red flag of attention?
Did he have body armor? From an AP article:
" Officers found one of the rifles in Ramos' truck, the other in the school, according to the briefing given to lawmakers. Ramos was wearing a tactical vest, but it had no hardened body-armor plates inside, lawmakers were told. He also dropped a backpack containing several magazines full of ammunition near the school entrance."
This is why we wait to make decisions instead of just doing something. Your idea wouldn't have triggered any red flags.
Yeah, it looks like he had one of those vests on that you can put a plate in, but didn't actually have armor or the plate in them. It appears they were reporting on that visual.
I will say that even with the armor aside, an 18 year old purchasing 2 ARs and almost 400 rounds still should be a trigger even without the body armor issue.
schmendeler said:
Photos of the aftermath of a school shooting: we must not allow this to happen. think of the impact this will have on the children
Actual school shooting: there's nothing to be done here think of Gun Industry
Yeah, sounds like he was locked in a room and they were evacuating everyone else out of there.diehard03 said:
I believe it was a standoff - he went in, shot up the school and then barricaded himself inside. it took 40 min to resolve itself.
it's weird to present this story like police were prevent parents from going inside to break up a gun fight.
AGC said:Duncan Idaho said:
It worked with Emmett Till. I disagree with swimmer, it was effective with later term abortions and it solidified a split in the minds of most of the public's acceptance between early stage abortion (being pretty much ok with) and late stage abortions (being overwhelmingly against)
Oh no we get it. You only care about efficacy.
We can discuss policy without traumatizing the populace.
DPS Director Steve McGraw said twice that the cops were the ones who barricaded the shooter into a classroom.
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That contradicts previous statements by other DPS spox, who said the gunman barricaded himself and immediately began shooting kids. https://t.co/OZO4JOJcwk
I'm not sure why posts were deleted, but the guy said we should limit the purchase of long guns and shotguns to a certain age. I am open to this, but I am not certain of how effective it would be, because in several (most?) cases the weapons were purchased by adults. How many school shootings would have been prevented by this approach? None? All? And what is the burden associated with it? Pointing out two examples I knew off the top of my head is not dismissal, it's discussion.Quote:
People have offered suggestions and you've disregarded them because you don't think it would have stopped 2 school shootings...nevermind the countless other gun deaths.
nortex97 said:
No you don't. You only care that your preferred narrative is facilitated.
Care for actual children, or law enforcement's response, is clearly disregarded in this thread. What could possibly have made law enforcement hesitant to respond forcefully to a shooter over the past 10 years? Was a social worker not available in this small town to go in and talk the shooter into surrendering?