The (New) Global Methodist Church

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5:27p, 8/17/24
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" This one is for people who like spreadsheets. If you don't like spreadsheets, you will not like this one. It compares a few vital stats among all US Annual Conferences in the UMC from 2019 to 2022. The picture it paints is devastating. It is MUCH worse than losing 25% of its churches to disaffiliation. I think this data shows it is likely the denomination has lost at least 75% of its average worship attendance from 2019. Dark days."

“If you’re going to have crime it should at least be organized crime”
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In reply to UTExan • 6:55a, 8/18/24
And the band played on until the Titanic went under….
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In reply to 88Warrior • 8:27a, 8/18/24
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88Warrior said:
And the band played on until the Titanic went under….


That is a powerful analogy of what is happening. The sad part is the "band" is thousands of deceived Methodists who are playing the song the bishops are telling them to play. We need to be in prayer for those who are caught up in the marching orders, that God may deliver them from the deception.
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In reply to birddog7000 • 8:39a, 8/18/24
birddog7000 said:
88Warrior said:
And the band played on until the Titanic went under….


That is a powerful analogy of what is happening. The sad part is the "band" is thousands of deceived Methodists who are playing the song the bishops are telling them to play. We need to be in prayer for those who are caught up in the marching orders, that God may deliver them from the deception.


No truer words!
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In reply to birddog7000 • 10:08a, 8/18/24
The bishops have no one to blame but themselves.
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In reply to UTExan • 3:42p, 8/18/24
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UTExan said:
The bishops have no one to blame but themselves.


My comment was about the congregations who are deceived.

But, and this is an important but, the bishops are deceived as well. The deception originated with the devil. The bishops hearts are hardened and they need prayer too. We have a hard time praying for those who hurt and deceive us, but when we do we begin to better understand the depth of God's grace, love, and mercy.
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8:15p, 8/18/24
I think we, as lay persons, deserve some blame as well. We (me included) all sat there over the years and saw where the UMC was headed year by year. In my head it was like "oh that's in LA or San Francisco..won't happen here"…then it was…"Well Austin is gonna Austin"…didn't take long before the whole thing came crashing down…we should have put up a fight before it got to where it is..but we've moved on…Our church left the UMC a couple of years ago and we haven't looked back…We've experienced tremendous growth and have renewed energy! Hope others are seeing this as well! God Bless you all!
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In reply to 88Warrior • 9:29p, 8/18/24
The UMC was doomed by its episcopal system. Once the progressive political factions were established in the seminaries, they spawned church-killing progressives in the clergy, who became church-killing district superintendents and church-killing bishops. It was doomed from the time the church no longer demanded either integrity or orthodoxy from its clergy.
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