aggieband 83 said:
You are well within your right to ask. First, ask him in private for a churchwide informative meeting.. If he dodges the question, ask for a future church information meeting during the announcements portion of the service. If there are other like minded people in attendance, they can chime in about wanting an information meeting.
Fishing Fools said:
Not sure if this has been posted,
aggieband 83 said:
You are well within your right to ask. First, ask him in private for a churchwide informative meeting.. If he dodges the question, ask for a future church information meeting during the announcements portion of the service. If there are other like minded people in attendance, they can chime in about wanting an information meeting.
The Chicken Ranch said:
Is there an exact list of the churches that have voted so far?
There used to be a group that tracked Presbyterian churches that voted to leave, and where they affiliated, and how much they had to pay to leave. But it has been taken down.
It would be interesting to see this.
OnlyForNow said:
I don't think there is going to be "a list".
Seems like a bad idea to be honest, for sure gonna get targeted as "bigot" churches.
OnlyForNow said:
Your friend needs to read the section about overruling the admin council on things like this.
Make a stink about it and get a vote taken.
What were they shouting?UTExan said:OnlyForNow said:
Your friend needs to read the section about overruling the admin council on things like this.
Make a stink about it and get a vote taken.
The laity have saved Methodist Christianity before. I had an ancestor who hosted Asbury on his circuit. These lay people were shouting Methodists who upset the status quo.
Now, I consider Adam Hamilton dishonest, so I find this very funny but some may take it seriously;Quote:
As per the report, Christ Church deliberated over which religious group could, ultimately, do the best job of getting its members ready to meet Jesus "when He comes back to earth." House stated that after much consideration, they came to the conclusion that the Global Methodist Church was the right denomination for them
He further stated that 91 percent of the members of their congregation participated in a vote, and the outcome was that they would leave the United Methodist Church and instead join the Methodist Church worldwide.
House also noted that the issue has expanded beyond its initial scope, revealing a wider disagreement within the United Methodist Church over questions of biblical authority and interpretation. According to the House, about 900 representatives cast their votes.
I don't think he is stupid, though, so I don't think that was really his responsive argument against a split. If so, what a pathetic straw man.Quote:
The founder of the United Methodist Church's largest megachurch in the United States will be traveling to Northwest Arkansas to advocate unity in the cause of Christ. This visit comes at a time when the United Methodist Church is on the verge of a schism.
On Sept. 24 at 10:30 a.m., Adam Hamilton, senior pastor at Church of the Resurrection in Leawood, Kansas, will deliver a lecture at the Fayetteville Public Library Event Center.
According to Arkansas Online, many members of the Methodist church, which is the nation's second-largest Protestant denomination, have elected to depart from the denomination as a result of disputes that have taken place over the past half century over human sexuality, interpretation of the Bible, and church governance.
Some liberals are upset that the church does not allow same-sex weddings or the ordination of homosexuals, and as a result, they wish to sever their connections with the church.
According to Hamilton, Methodists can have differing opinions regarding human sexuality while yet cooperating with one another as genuine disciples of Jesus Christ.
In addition, he mentioned that they have been living together as United Methodists for a considerable amount of time, despite the fact that they have different perspectives on this topic and distinct methods of interpreting Scripture.
Proponents of a split argue that the two sides share radically different perspectives on the authority of Scripture and other important Christian doctrines. Hamilton, however, argued that the vast majority of Methodists do believe in Jesus' sinlessness, crucifixion, and bodily resurrection.
12thMan9 said:What were they shouting?UTExan said:OnlyForNow said:
Your friend needs to read the section about overruling the admin council on things like this.
Make a stink about it and get a vote taken.
The laity have saved Methodist Christianity before. I had an ancestor who hosted Asbury on his circuit. These lay people were shouting Methodists who upset the status quo.
The folks like Adam Hamilton, agreed. He will wind up running the remnant of a UMC, a true zombie of a denomination with some large churches in metropolitan areas and nothing else. Perhaps 10 percent of the 90's volume of sunday attendees in the US, but around 20 percent of the revenues.88Warrior said:
The UMC couldn't care less about the bodies leaving the denomination it's the $$$'s they're worried about losing….
UTExan said:
What I don't understand is how the UMC can have so many ineffective, or downright destructive clergy (not good preachers plus borderline/apostate theology) and not ever address their clergy problems.
Justin2010 said:
I moved to downtown Fort Worth in 2021. Attended Fort Worth UMC many times and really enjoyed the service. Attended a men's breakfast and met a lot of good people.
But I just can't get past the liberalism. I attended services maybe 8 times, and only once did an associate pastor get kind of political. But on their blog the pastor of their liberal service, which is separate from their primary one, bemoaned the loss of "women's reproductive rights".
It's so disappointing. You can be welcoming to all people without celebrating sin... But they are grieving the loss of the right to kill the unborn.
I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt... That these beliefs and views are held in good faith... But I just can't fellowship with a group who tolerates and even advocates for the death of infants.
As far as I've been able to tell, there has been no opportunity for church wide discernment or discussion about the direction of the fw UMC. If I were a member I would raise a little more commotion. Instead I'm moving on.
Justin2010 said:
But I just can't get past the liberalism. I attended services maybe 8 times, and only once did an associate pastor get kind of political. But on their blog the pastor of their liberal service, which is separate from their primary one, bemoaned the loss of "women's reproductive rights".
It's so disappointing. You can be welcoming to all people without celebrating sin... But they are grieving the loss of the right to kill the unborn.
I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt... That these beliefs and views are held in good faith... But I just can't fellowship with a group who tolerates and even advocates for the death of infants.
Justin2010 said:
I moved to downtown Fort Worth in 2021. Attended Fort Worth UMC many times and really enjoyed the service. Attended a men's breakfast and met a lot of good people.
But I just can't get past the liberalism. I attended services maybe 8 times, and only once did an associate pastor get kind of political. But on their blog the pastor of their liberal service, which is separate from their primary one, bemoaned the loss of "women's reproductive rights".
It's so disappointing. You can be welcoming to all people without celebrating sin... But they are grieving the loss of the right to kill the unborn.
I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt... That these beliefs and views are held in good faith... But I just can't fellowship with a group who tolerates and even advocates for the death of infants.
As far as I've been able to tell, there has been no opportunity for church wide discernment or discussion about the direction of the fw UMC. If I were a member I would raise a little more commotion. Instead I'm moving on.
Private PoopyPants said:OnlyForNow said:
Out of? Just curious.
Ours voted to stay in, and no even go through discernment. I feel pastor had a lot to do with that and some people are gonna end up being very surprised.
I talked to a friend of mine who has been a member of a Methodist church their entire life. The church leadership council or whatever it is called is refusing to allow the church to discuss or vote. The pastor is apparently trying to prevent a vote from taking place. Most of the people on the leadership council are conservatives who don't support what the left-wing of the church is doing but they unfortunately believe everything will blow over and they want to ride it out. I many of them just simply don't understand the ramifications of what they are doing. It is sad. The area bishop is also pushing churches to stay.
It will be sad to watch this youth program disintegrate from afar over the next 10 years.Quote:
Over the past several years, there have been ongoing discussions regarding the future of the broader denomination of the United Methodist Church. The lay leadership and clergy of St. Andrew have closely followed this issue and would like to inform you of the direction St. Andrew will take as we move forward. We invite you to attend an informational session this Sunday, October 2 at 12:15 p.m. in the Sanctuary to hear from all key lay leaders and Arthur regarding the decisions for our future and the denomination.
We would love to have you personally attend this session if you are able. We do understand this is short notice, but the leadership felt it was important to communicate to the congregation as soon as a decision was final. If you are unable to attend, a follow-up email with details will be sent out Sunday afternoon as the session will not be livestreamed. This email will include a way to submit questions or connect with a pastor should you want to discuss further.
The informational session will last 45 minutes
