dermdoc said:
Got a friend with a 20 y/o son, incredibly healthy, who developed myocarditis after the vax. This is being shown to be a side effect in young males.
He basically went into total body failure and was intubated for several weeks. Both legs amputated, liver and kidney failure, and may need a heart transplant.
My friend from the military went to the hospital with heart trouble after getting the vax. They discharged him after a couple of days. Two weeks later he went back and died.dermdoc said:
Got a friend with a 20 y/o son, incredibly healthy, who developed myocarditis after the vax. This is being shown to be a side effect in young males.
He basically went into total body failure and was intubated for several weeks. Both legs amputated, liver and kidney failure, and may need a heart transplant.
dermdoc said:
Got a friend with a 20 y/o son, incredibly healthy, who developed myocarditis after the vax. This is being shown to be a side effect in young males.
He basically went into total body failure and was intubated for several weeks. Both legs amputated, liver and kidney failure, and may need a heart transplant.
Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:
Got a friend with a 20 y/o son, incredibly healthy, who developed myocarditis after the vax. This is being shown to be a side effect in young males.
He basically went into total body failure and was intubated for several weeks. Both legs amputated, liver and kidney failure, and may need a heart transplant.
I hope he's able to recover. That's an extremely rare response.
The odds of myocarditis from the vaccine are far lower than the odds from contracting Covid.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2784800
Compared to infection with Covid
https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/08/31/covid-myocarditis-risk-children-083121
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/
its 37 seconds long. . .dermdoc said:
I did not watch it. Will do later. This is just fresh on my mind.
If I'm not old or fat, I'd rather contract Covid.Quote:
The odds of myocarditis from the vaccine are far lower than the odds from contracting Covid.
Martin Q. Blank said:If I'm not old or fat, I'd rather contract Covid.Quote:
The odds of myocarditis from the vaccine are far lower than the odds from contracting Covid.
dermdoc said:
And imho, we should always question science. Science lovers by and large sure question my religion. And freedom.
I've had Covid. I'm fine.Sapper Redux said:Martin Q. Blank said:If I'm not old or fat, I'd rather contract Covid.Quote:
The odds of myocarditis from the vaccine are far lower than the odds from contracting Covid.
No, you wouldn't. The odds of significant side effects are much higher with Covid than the vaccines.
SEATAC Aggie said:
The best source of scientific data is Wikipedia, followed very closely by the R&P agnostic crew (none of which are even employed in scientific or medical research).
Martin Q. Blank said:I've had Covid. I'm fine.Sapper Redux said:Martin Q. Blank said:If I'm not old or fat, I'd rather contract Covid.Quote:
The odds of myocarditis from the vaccine are far lower than the odds from contracting Covid.
No, you wouldn't. The odds of significant side effects are much higher with Covid than the vaccines.
From the whole 1 year of data we have? No thanks.Sapper Redux said:Martin Q. Blank said:I've had Covid. I'm fine.Sapper Redux said:Martin Q. Blank said:If I'm not old or fat, I'd rather contract Covid.Quote:
The odds of myocarditis from the vaccine are far lower than the odds from contracting Covid.
No, you wouldn't. The odds of significant side effects are much higher with Covid than the vaccines.
Good for you. Going off of the stats, you're much better off with the vaccine. Much, much better off.
That is so arrogant I do not know where to begin. The amount of projection, generalization, moral superiority, etc. is off the charts. I do not presume to know how you think. Please do not assume you know how others do.Sapper Redux said:dermdoc said:
And imho, we should always question science. Science lovers by and large sure question my religion. And freedom.
There's "questioning science" and then there's, "I don't like what science says, so I'm going to find any excuse I can to avoid reality." I see a lot more of the latter than the former in the anti-vaccine, anti-mask crowd.
Sapper Redux said:
I've looked at the "evidence" being used frequently and shared. It's not science.
Than most of what?Sapper Redux said:
Millions infected and millions vaccinated. The data is far better than most.
dermdoc said:Sapper Redux said:
I've looked at the "evidence" being used frequently and shared. It's not science.
Show me a definitive study that show that masks do much unless they are N95s.
You can't because you can not do the trials that are necessary due to ethics.
Do you really believe these folks walking around HEB with the blue cotton masks are doing any good?
Sometimes you have to think critically and use common sense. And not just blindly follow "science" which often is biased. Trust me, I have a lot of experience of writing and reviewing scientific articles. Amazing how stars can be used to say what you like or to support who is paying you.
And I have really tried to stop being a pompous turd, but I can still smell and spot them. Very easily.
Sapper Redux said:
What are the odds? It's certainly not low that you can avoid Covid without extensive precautions.