lost job due to no vax

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dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?


This is a joke right? 800 people died at least partly from covid just yesterday in the US. I would love to see proof of 800 covid vaccine deaths in the last year.
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dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?
From everything I've read, every possible vaccine side effect is also seen at higher rates from COVID infection. So while we are concerned about pericarditis, myocarditis, and blood clots from vaccines, the actual COVID virus is notorious for all of these at much higher incidence.
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schmendeler said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?


This is a joke right? 800 people died at least partly from covid just yesterday in the US. I would love to see proof of 800 covid vaccine deaths in the last year.
How many typically die every day from respiratory viruses?
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schmendeler said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?


This is a joke right? 800 people died at least partly from covid just yesterday in the US. I would love to see proof of 800 covid vaccine deaths in the last year.


What do you mean partly from COVID? Are we talking 90 year olds? Obese people? Or healthy young 30 year olds with no comorbidities?
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schmendeler said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?


This is a joke right? 800 people died at least partly from covid just yesterday in the US. I would love to see proof of 800 covid vaccine deaths in the last year.
No it is not a joke. You read the medical articles about deaths from the vax?

And then you have to factor in if people had the vax, would Covid have still killed them.

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ramblin_ag02 said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?
From everything I've read, every possible vaccine side effect is also seen at higher rates from COVID infection. So while we are concerned about pericarditis, myocarditis, and blood clots from vaccines, the actual COVID virus is notorious for all of these at much higher incidence.
But you have to stratify age groups.

Was Covid or the vax more dangerous to people under 30 years of age?
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dermdoc said:

ramblin_ag02 said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?
From everything I've read, every possible vaccine side effect is also seen at higher rates from COVID infection. So while we are concerned about pericarditis, myocarditis, and blood clots from vaccines, the actual COVID virus is notorious for all of these at much higher incidence.
But you have to stratify age groups.

Was Covid or the vax more dangerous to people under 30 years of age?


https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/myocarditis-seven-times-more-likely-covid-19-vaccines/

I don't think anyone has studied age stratifications, but all the studies we have show the virus is more dangerous than the vaccine. Think about it. The problems that occur with the vaccine also occur with the virus. So there must be a common element between the two. The only things they have in common are specific RNA, spike proteins and the immune response to spike proteins. In each case you'll get a higher dose of all three in a systemic infection versus a vaccine. All the studies so far have been consistent with that.

As I have said, I'd put my money on the heart complications being due to antibodies against the spike protein cross-reacting with heart proteins. That's why young men, who tend to have the most robust immune systems, have this reaction more than other groups

Edit: found a preprint article that showed 6x more myocarditis in teens after covid infection compared with vaccination. Take it with a grain of salt as it is preprint, but it's consistent with the paper above and others I've seen

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8328065/
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AGC said:

schmendeler said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?


This is a joke right? 800 people died at least partly from covid just yesterday in the US. I would love to see proof of 800 covid vaccine deaths in the last year.


What do you mean partly from COVID? Are we talking 90 year olds? Obese people? Or healthy young 30 year olds with no comorbidities?


Are these the only people who count?
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RAB91 said:

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ramblin_ag02 said:

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Sapper Redux said:

Yes, the vaccines have worked. But if you don't take precautions and get vaccinated, viruses mutate and continue to mutate. We're currently dealing with a mix of RSV, flu, and COVID. It's a mess. Get the bivalent shot and your flu vaccine, folks.
The vaccines did nothing with regards to getting it or transmitting it. They do help with the severity of it. Maybe if the CDC/Fauci had been honest about it from the beginning they would have better luck with it. Either way, we now know with 100% certainty that the vaccine mandates were both bad science and bad policy.
Not exactly true. From the release of the vaccines until April/May 2021 (during the alpha wave), the vaccines were nearly miraculous. 95+% for preventing infeciton and spread. From April/May 2022 to Dec 2022 (the delta wave), they were 80% against infection and spread. Its only when omicron hit in Dec 2022 that we started seeing mass breakthrough infections and the vaccines started being used as disease mitigators instead of disease preventers. Honestly, the vaccines probably wouldn't have been approved in the first place based on their activity against omicron and it's subsequent variants. So the vaccines were underwhelming until the bivalent booster just came out that also works against omicron. But don't let that obscure the fact that they were amazing against alpha and pretty good against delta. All comments relate to the mRNA vaccines. The others were less effective than those at each step.
Your years must be off. Omicron started in late '21. And by the time mandates were being strictly enforced my original statement stands. The arrogance of the medical community (not you personally) was a sight to behold. Between them ignoring natural immunity and them supporting mandates when the whole world knew of the lack of effectiveness, they've shown themselves to be completely 'following orders' types. It is sad, really.


"Natural immunity" requires getting the virus. Which has killed over 1 million Americans. And "natural immunity" offers no long term protection from Omicron.

I'll take my chances with my natural immunity. How many total shots are you up to?


4. I've seen a lot of people dying from COVID. It's a terrible, terrible way to go.
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ramblin_ag02 said:

dermdoc said:

ramblin_ag02 said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?
From everything I've read, every possible vaccine side effect is also seen at higher rates from COVID infection. So while we are concerned about pericarditis, myocarditis, and blood clots from vaccines, the actual COVID virus is notorious for all of these at much higher incidence.
But you have to stratify age groups.

Was Covid or the vax more dangerous to people under 30 years of age?


https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/myocarditis-seven-times-more-likely-covid-19-vaccines/

I don't think anyone has studied age stratifications, but all the studies we have show the virus is more dangerous than the vaccine. Think about it. The problems that occur with the vaccine also occur with the virus. So there must be a common element between the two. The only things they have in common are specific RNA, spike proteins and the immune response to spike proteins. In each case you'll get a higher dose of all three in a systemic infection versus a vaccine. All the studies so far have been consistent with that.

As I have said, I'd put my money on the heart complications being due to antibodies against the spike protein cross-reacting with heart proteins. That's why young men, who tend to have the most robust immune systems, have this reaction more than other groups

Edit: found a preprint article that showed 6x more myocarditis in teens after covid infection compared with vaccination. Take it with a grain of salt as it is preprint, but it's consistent with the paper above and others I've seen

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8328065/


They say they reviewed cases from 12/19-5/22.

Would be very curious as to how many patients with myocarditis were from 2020 vs 2022.

This is not the same Covid from 2020.

Would love to see numbers just from 2022.

Also would like to see those who got vaccinated and still got Covid and developed myocarditis.

Because if the vaccine does not prevent getting Covid why expose a patient to more spike protein inducers?

And how can anybody be for mandates when it is not even proven the vax, at least sonce 2021, does not prevent transmission?

One size does not fit all in medicine.

Mandating vaccines in healthy young people, especially males seems really wrong and bad medicine.


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Sapper Redux said:

AGC said:

schmendeler said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?


This is a joke right? 800 people died at least partly from covid just yesterday in the US. I would love to see proof of 800 covid vaccine deaths in the last year.


What do you mean partly from COVID? Are we talking 90 year olds? Obese people? Or healthy young 30 year olds with no comorbidities?


Are these the only people who count?
I do not think that is what is meant by the post.

Obviously, when assessing risk/benefit for each individual patient due to age, underlying conditions, etc.to determine whether the vax is more dangerous than the actual disease.

Since it was proven the vax did not prevent the transmission of the virus, I would be very hesitant to advise a healthy 20-30 y/o male to get the vax even if myocarditis risks were greater with the actual infection rather than the vaccine.

Odds are that patient will never get Covid, yet if you vax him he is exposed to a probably unnecessary spike protein barrage that he might not ever have had to experience.

Plus, as I mentioned before, the article (granted a preprint) needs to stratify Covid cases from different time periods. 2020 and early 2021 Covid was a totally different animal than 2022 Covid.
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Also need gender stratified studies.

Collectivism does not work in medicine.
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dermdoc said:

Sapper Redux said:

AGC said:

schmendeler said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?


This is a joke right? 800 people died at least partly from covid just yesterday in the US. I would love to see proof of 800 covid vaccine deaths in the last year.


What do you mean partly from COVID? Are we talking 90 year olds? Obese people? Or healthy young 30 year olds with no comorbidities?


Are these the only people who count?
I do not think that is what is meant by the post.

Obviously, when assessing risk/benefit for each individual patient due to age, underlying conditions, etc.to determine whether the vax is more dangerous than the actual disease.

Since it was proven the vax did not prevent the transmission of the virus, I would be very hesitant to advise a healthy 20-30 y/o male to get the vax even if myocarditis risks were greater with the actual infection rather than the vaccine.

Odds are that patient will never get Covid, yet if you vax him he is exposed to a probably unnecessary spike protein barrage that he might not ever have had to experience.

Plus, as I mentioned before, the article (granted a preprint) needs to stratify Covid cases from different time periods. 2020 and early 2021 Covid was a totally different animal than 2022 Covid.
Although they used the term 'vaccine' (a poor choice in my opinion), I didn't and I don't think most people ever thought it would prevent the virus but rather reduced the likelihood of getting it and if you did it would help mitigate the symptoms. I always thought it was supposed to be like the annual flu shot. The mandates were to reduce the spread. Obviously there was a learning curve but I think if they had not had the mandates and waited a couple of years to gather more data about viable vaccines, the death toll would have been significantly higher.
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BluHorseShu said:

dermdoc said:

Sapper Redux said:

AGC said:

schmendeler said:

dermdoc said:

Question, does anyone feel that at this point in time that the virus is more dangerous than the vax?


This is a joke right? 800 people died at least partly from covid just yesterday in the US. I would love to see proof of 800 covid vaccine deaths in the last year.


What do you mean partly from COVID? Are we talking 90 year olds? Obese people? Or healthy young 30 year olds with no comorbidities?


Are these the only people who count?
I do not think that is what is meant by the post.

Obviously, when assessing risk/benefit for each individual patient due to age, underlying conditions, etc.to determine whether the vax is more dangerous than the actual disease.

Since it was proven the vax did not prevent the transmission of the virus, I would be very hesitant to advise a healthy 20-30 y/o male to get the vax even if myocarditis risks were greater with the actual infection rather than the vaccine.

Odds are that patient will never get Covid, yet if you vax him he is exposed to a probably unnecessary spike protein barrage that he might not ever have had to experience.

Plus, as I mentioned before, the article (granted a preprint) needs to stratify Covid cases from different time periods. 2020 and early 2021 Covid was a totally different animal than 2022 Covid.
Although they used the term 'vaccine' (a poor choice in my opinion), I didn't and I don't think most people ever thought it would prevent the virus but rather reduced the likelihood of getting it and if you did it would help mitigate the symptoms. I always thought it was supposed to be like the annual flu shot. The mandates were to reduce the spread. Obviously there was a learning curve but I think if they had not had the mandates and waited a couple of years to gather more data about viable vaccines, the death toll would have been significantly higher.
I am not convinced the vax reduced the spread so I do not see the reason for mandates.

I do think the vax in late 2020 and most of 2021 reduced the severity of Covid if you got it.

Covid 2022 is not the same as far as severity and mortality as Covid of 2020-2021.

Obviously it is your decision but I am not getting any more Covid vaccinations.

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Neither am I. I've had covid three times. I'm 66 and in pretty good health but a little heavy. I've had pneumonia three times so I do have some compromised lung issues. I "almost" waited too late to get the Monoclonal (day 8) but do believe that saved my life. The other two infections were nothing more significant than a cold. I did get the Pfizer vaccine after the first bout of COVID but will never take a booster. My wife and 5 year old son had covid twice and neither have or ever will be vaxed. I don't trust our government to ever tell us the truth about anything.
 
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