If you go back to Genesis 6, desecrating God's creation through illicit sexual activity is an old theme in Satanic ritual.AstroAg17 said:Quote:
After Clark's arrest, Archbishop Gregory Aymond went to the church and "performed a ritual to restore the altar's sanctity,"
Casting spells has to be the weirdest thing Catholics do.
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We need a healthier society, we need a healthier priesthood. As with politics, we each need to realize our power here. I fully expect there to be more of these stories, not less. They have to come to light for truth and justice and healing. At the same time, believers who believe really, truly believe do penance. Do reparation. And yes, even if you didn't desecrate an altar. We Christians are all part of the Body of Christ. Beg God for His mercy for all our sins. It's His Church, and problems which seem insurmountable can only be helped by His grace and our faithfulness to what He asks of us.
jrico2727 said:
I imagine there was a exorcism.... far from casting spells.
jrico2727 said:
One is a Christ given ability the other is diabolical.
jrico2727 said:
I imagine there was a exorcism and a reconsecration, far from casting spells.
jrico2727 said:
The preisthood is biblical and established by Christ, he gave them the power to exorcise demons. Did Christ cast spells when he excorised demons?
jrico2727 said:
Christ gave them the power to change bread and wine into his body and and blood, but don't use it. It can be proven just look at the history of the true presence in the true church. To say the real presence cannot be proven is to call Christ a liar. For he said this my body and this is my blood.
There are miracles every day such as the forgiveness of sins in the confessional, but lets throw that out since you cannot see it. No one ever said blessed are those who believe and do not see. Or we can look at modern day Saints like Padre Pio who preformed miracles. The proof is out there for you friend, but you choose not to believe. Just for fun attaching a video on Eucharistic miracles since you cannot see transubstanciation.
jrico2727 said:
Yes the priesthood of Aaron and the Levites.
Zobel said:
You didn't actually answer his question.
When Jesus sent out the Twelve, and told them to "heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons" was He instructing them to cast out spells? Did Christ cast out demons by magic?
jrico2727 said:
So Christ can change water into wine ,but cannot change wine into his blood and bread into his flesh? These are words spoken directly by him, especially that one must eat his flesh and drink his blood to obtain eternal life. If Christ performed miracles to prove his divinity to say those who pefrom miracles in his name are insane or liars is to doubt Christ. For he said in John12
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father.
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And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Ol_Ag_02 said:jrico2727 said:
So Christ can change water into wine ,but cannot change wine into his blood and bread into his flesh? These are words spoken directly by him, especially that one must eat his flesh and drink his blood to obtain eternal life. If Christ performed miracles to prove his divinity to say those who pefrom miracles in his name are insane or liars is to doubt Christ. For he said in John12
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes in me will do the works that I do, and will do greater ones than these, because I am going to the Father.
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And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Didn't say that.
Metaphor.
Let's see a priest, or anyone for that matter, go raise someone for the dead, or regrow a limb. You know, a miracle.
Transubstantiation isn't real. It's not a miracle. By its very design it is intended to pressure people into obeying the clergy. If only the clergy have this ability to perform "this miracle", and only "this miracle" they perform can provide you salvation. Well, where else is the uneducated lay person to go. The printing press went a long way to eliminating that power and control.
Zobel said:
Now hang on, let's be a little more systematic here.
So you believe that when Christ cast out demons, He was truly doing it by the power of His speech. Which means you believe in both Christ and demons, and that He has power and authority over them.
You also accept that Christ did give the Apostles that authority and its power over demons, and that this was not magic spells. So you believe that normal, mortal humans can be given power over demons through the Spirit.
So why do you then disbelieve in exorcisms? And how do you discern the difference between a real exorcism - which you believe exists, at least in history and in theory - and witchcraft?
How can invoking the Name of the Lord be witchcraft?
By the way, it wasn't just the Twelve but also the seventy who cast out demons (see Luke 10) and also those not of the direct disciples (Mark 9). And the Lord says others still will drive out demons (Matthew 7).
AstroAg17 said:
Apparently they had the altar removed and burned.
Good call.