FalconAg06 said:ramblin_ag02 said:
You may want to be more specific. I googled "Third Position" and what I found was the fusion of the worst parts of fascism (hypernationalism, racism, and state control of morality) mixed with the worst parts of communism (complete state control all economic activity). If there's some specific meaning to that term in regards to the Arab/Israeli conflict I'd like to read about it.
Make Jerusalem part of christendom again. Its a meme.
FalconAg06 said:ramblin_ag02 said:
You may want to be more specific. I googled "Third Position" and what I found was the fusion of the worst parts of fascism (hypernationalism, racism, and state control of morality) mixed with the worst parts of communism (complete state control all economic activity). If there's some specific meaning to that term in regards to the Arab/Israeli conflict I'd like to read about it.
Make Jerusalem part of christendom again. Its a meme.
You're not familiar with the latest memes produced by based Zoomer Tradcaths?PacifistAg said:FalconAg06 said:ramblin_ag02 said:
You may want to be more specific. I googled "Third Position" and what I found was the fusion of the worst parts of fascism (hypernationalism, racism, and state control of morality) mixed with the worst parts of communism (complete state control all economic activity). If there's some specific meaning to that term in regards to the Arab/Israeli conflict I'd like to read about it.
Make Jerusalem part of christendom again. Its a meme.
Yuck
Jerusalem, Washington and the whole world should be under the banner of Christ our King.RebelE Infantry said:FalconAg06 said:ramblin_ag02 said:
You may want to be more specific. I googled "Third Position" and what I found was the fusion of the worst parts of fascism (hypernationalism, racism, and state control of morality) mixed with the worst parts of communism (complete state control all economic activity). If there's some specific meaning to that term in regards to the Arab/Israeli conflict I'd like to read about it.
Make Jerusalem part of christendom again. Its a meme.
This. Reestablish the Latin Kingdom and Patriarchate of Jerusalem. The Holy Land belongs to Christendom.
No. That certainly does not sound like a world I'd be even bumping into. If it's anything like I've seen of "tradwives", then I can only shudder to think about how antichrist it is.Serotonin said:You're not familiar with the latest memes produced by based Zoomer Tradcaths?PacifistAg said:FalconAg06 said:ramblin_ag02 said:
You may want to be more specific. I googled "Third Position" and what I found was the fusion of the worst parts of fascism (hypernationalism, racism, and state control of morality) mixed with the worst parts of communism (complete state control all economic activity). If there's some specific meaning to that term in regards to the Arab/Israeli conflict I'd like to read about it.
Make Jerusalem part of christendom again. Its a meme.
Yuck
I know nothing of "zoomer trad caths", but, while a quick google search of "tradwives" shows a few extreme examples of complete male dominance, overall it seems to be a movement towards a return to a single income family model with the father as the head and mother as primary provider for the children. Maybe I'm missing something? Not sure how that is "antichrist".PacifistAg said:No. That certainly does not sound like a world I'd be even bumping into. If it's anything like I've seen of "tradwives", then I can only shudder to think about how antichrist it is.Serotonin said:You're not familiar with the latest memes produced by based Zoomer Tradcaths?PacifistAg said:FalconAg06 said:ramblin_ag02 said:
You may want to be more specific. I googled "Third Position" and what I found was the fusion of the worst parts of fascism (hypernationalism, racism, and state control of morality) mixed with the worst parts of communism (complete state control all economic activity). If there's some specific meaning to that term in regards to the Arab/Israeli conflict I'd like to read about it.
Make Jerusalem part of christendom again. Its a meme.
Yuck
ramblin_ag02 said:Just pointing you to the most amazing resource on the topic of the creation of modern Israel. It's a podcast called MartyrMade by Darryl Cooper. It's a fair, unbiased, and uncensored look at the history and consequences of Zionism in the Holy Land, and it isn't pretty. It's over 20 hours, so don't expect a 20 minute executive summary.Quote:
It is. The Nation state of Israel as you refer to her is Bible prophecy fulfilled.
If you can listen to that and tell me modern Israel arose as God fulfilling a prophecy, then you and I might as well worship different gods. The modern nation of Israel came about because a group of Jewish refugees from around Europe escaped to the Holy Land. Then they turned around and violently conquered the land from the Arabs followed by waging a worldwide terror campaign against the British. There are no "good guys" in the Israeli/Arab conflict. Only aggressors and victims, and there are plenty to go around on each side.
It's also somewhat ironic to see staunch conservatives decry the perils unrestricted immigration, and then turn around and praise Israel which is a product of the perils of unrestricted immigration.
ramblin_ag02 said:Just pointing you to the most amazing resource on the topic of the creation of modern Israel. It's a podcast called MartyrMade by Darryl Cooper. It's a fair, unbiased, and uncensored look at the history and consequences of Zionism in the Holy Land, and it isn't pretty. It's over 20 hours, so don't expect a 20 minute executive summary.Quote:
It is. The Nation state of Israel as you refer to her is Bible prophecy fulfilled.
If you can listen to that and tell me modern Israel arose as God fulfilling a prophecy, then you and I might as well worship different gods. The modern nation of Israel came about because a group of Jewish refugees from around Europe escaped to the Holy Land. Then they turned around and violently conquered the land from the Arabs followed by waging a worldwide terror campaign against the British. There are no "good guys" in the Israeli/Arab conflict. Only aggressors and victims, and there are plenty to go around on each side.
It's also somewhat ironic to see staunch conservatives decry the perils unrestricted immigration, and then turn around and praise Israel which is a product of the perils of unrestricted immigration.
Catholics are both/and. We need to do something more loving AND outlaw it.PabloSerna said:
If I can elaborate...
1. The Good Samaritan:
First point - we agree that abortion is evil. More over I have stated that it is a rejection of the will of God. If we agree that the will of God is to give life AND as already covered that we ARE our brother's keeper.. then it seems to me that we can apply the moral of the story about the Good Samaritan in this case, namely, that we are called to do more - much more to ensure that "thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."
Second point - I think the idea that you are less Catholic or more Catholic because you vote a certain way is a red herring. Jesus has already said (JN 13:34-35) that all will know we are his disciples by the love we have for one another. So it follows that the best way to approach any issue is with love.
2. The Workers in the Vineyard:
To me this is one of the more remarkable insights into The Kingdom of God in all the bible. On one level, it introduces the wisdom of God seeing past mankind's failures when it comes to taking care of our fellow man.
Here are the key verses (clipped from biblegateway.com, bold emphasis mine)
"3 "About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.' 5 So they went."
"He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, 'Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?' 7 "'Because no one has hired us,' they answered.
"He said to them, 'You also go and work in my vineyard.'
As you know, the landowner pays the workers hired last a full day's wage. The workers hired first became incensed when they received the same pay thinking they would get more than what they agreed to with the landowner. Why? Because that is how man thinks about "right" and "wrong" - selfishly.
Final Point - God made "right" what should have always been.
For me, this is where I feel like we as a country have come up short. It should not be a crisis to have a child... ever. Yet we are told over and over that an unplanned pregnancy is one of the worst things that can happen to a young person. That is the lie that almost sunk me. I believed that having a child at my age then (19 yrs) was a huge mistake. Never mind the whole sex outside of marriage aspect - I couldn't see past my selfishness. For me, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. I just couldn't see it then.
I still believe that the best way to "end" abortion is to do something better. Something more loving.
+Pablo
Zobel said:
That's well and good. Should abortion be legal or not?
PabloSerna said:
"The only possible solution to this question is one which envisages the social and economic progress both of individuals and of the whole of human society, and which respects and promotes true human values."
- Pope Paul VI, Humane Vitae
July 25, 1968
In this instance Pope Paul was discussing the question of ways for Public Authorities to address the "population problem". This is the same problem facing families in my opinion and new couples as well. For me, I take the words of Pope Paul to heart that it begins with a government approach that is "people first" and not so much "business first". I'm a small business owner, so I can appreciate less government regulation, however, I do think there needs to be a balance.
Anyway - just my take on why I don't support the current administration and will be voting for a change of leadership.
+pablo
There is a flaw in socialist logic which is this:PabloSerna said:
fail to look at the economics of struggling new mothers and fathers
I'm guessing you glossed over the "true human values" part. Clearly that Chinese policy misses the mark.SirDippinDots said:PabloSerna said:
"The only possible solution to this question is one which envisages the social and economic progress both of individuals and of the whole of human society, and which respects and promotes true human values."
- Pope Paul VI, Humane Vitae
July 25, 1968
In this instance Pope Paul was discussing the question of ways for Public Authorities to address the "population problem". This is the same problem facing families in my opinion and new couples as well. For me, I take the words of Pope Paul to heart that it begins with a government approach that is "people first" and not so much "business first". I'm a small business owner, so I can appreciate less government regulation, however, I do think there needs to be a balance.
Anyway - just my take on why I don't support the current administration and will be voting for a change of leadership.
+pablo
So the Chinese forced abortion program (one child policy) is something to consider?
PabloSerna said:I'm guessing you glossed over the "true human values" part. Clearly that Chinese policy misses the mark.SirDippinDots said:PabloSerna said:
"The only possible solution to this question is one which envisages the social and economic progress both of individuals and of the whole of human society, and which respects and promotes true human values."
- Pope Paul VI, Humane Vitae
July 25, 1968
In this instance Pope Paul was discussing the question of ways for Public Authorities to address the "population problem". This is the same problem facing families in my opinion and new couples as well. For me, I take the words of Pope Paul to heart that it begins with a government approach that is "people first" and not so much "business first". I'm a small business owner, so I can appreciate less government regulation, however, I do think there needs to be a balance.
Anyway - just my take on why I don't support the current administration and will be voting for a change of leadership.
+pablo
So the Chinese forced abortion program (one child policy) is something to consider?
Again, this approach just doesn't work. Every crime ever has an economic correlation. Yours is an argument against laws, and against charity, and supplants the function of the Church with that of the State.Quote:
If we only say, end Roe v Wade, but fail to look at the economics of struggling new mothers and fathers, then we have not really taken the words of God to heart.
I am trying to understand your logic in light of being a Catholic and being a Democrat and what that has to do with your example of socialist logic - because it doesn't fit the exhortation in Humane Vitae (#23).Serotonin said:There is a flaw in socialist logic which is this:PabloSerna said:
fail to look at the economics of struggling new mothers and fathers
People can't manage their lives, therefore
People have to manage the people who can't manage their lives (through programs, education, money, etc)
Of course, the "people" referred to in #1 actually have the incentive to manage their own lives properly while the "people" in #2 have the incentive to maintain their power and job security. This is why we do not hear about government bureaucracies declining over time, and new problems have to be created.
But the biggest issue I have with socialist programs is not inefficiency, lack of quantifiable results, or unforeseen downstream effects. It's that the whole premise is that the underlying problem is economic and not spiritual. If this were the case then the Amish and many Hasidic Jews would have major issues with pregnancy and family formation.
***Spoiler alert***
They don't.
SirDippinDots said:
It looks like parents raising their children, not expecting their fellow citizens to pay for their children.
