Flat earth

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ramblin_ag02
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You don't even need to get that complicated. Just look up flight times from Boston to London to Moscow to Alaska to Boston. You can go in one direction (or the reverse) and right back where you started. Now that could be explained by having a flat Earth centered on the North Pole. The only problem is that you can fly from Southern Argentina to South Africa to Australia to Southern Argentina and it works the same way in roughly the same amount of time. If a flat Earth were centered on the North Pole that Southern trip would take many times longer and vice versa for a flat world centered on the South Pole for a Northern trip.

If you were smarter, you wouldn't even need to do that. You could just plot flight paths. They all follow the great circles to get from point A to B on Earth the quickest, shortest way. That only makes sense on a round body. Unless the entire airline industry is on it too and is willing to sacrifice billions of dollars in gas and delayed flights just to trickily take round routes
chimpanzee
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If you want to see something, you will, if you do not want to see something, you won't.

I , for one, can't tell if this idea persisting is just a giant joke or what.
bmks270
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AstroAg17 said:

I think that's a perfectly valid way of thinking of it, but I don't think it's the best way of viewing general relativity.


Well, it is just one of the conceptual thought experiments Einstein presents in his book "Relativity: The Special and General Theory" which is a good read.

PacifistAg
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chimpanzee said:

I , for one, can't tell if this idea persisting is just a giant joke or what.
Sadly, I don't think it's a joke for some of these people. But it's the norm for conspiracy theory world. It's like the 9/11 truthers or Sandy Hook false-flaggers. The claims are so outlandish, and concrete evidence that runs counter to their narrative is waved off as "fake". I'd be curious if there are any psychological studies on the conspiracy theory world.
Plan-o-menon
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What convinced you the Sandy Hook shooting was real?
Zobel
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schmendeler
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Plan-o-menon said:

What convinced you the Sandy Hook shooting was real?
have you considered the possibility that you are a figment of my imagination?
Aggrad08
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Plan-o-menon said:

What convinced you the Sandy Hook shooting was real?
Can we limit the crazy talk to one focused area. Let's get back to the flat earth stuff.
swimmerbabe11
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You and I can use a computer to get on the internet.

You and I can't use a rocket to go to space.


Due to my limited scientific knowledge and monetary resources, the world just got much less confusing. Everything I can't understand and can't afford is fake!
PacifistAg
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Plan-o-menon said:

What convinced you the Sandy Hook shooting was real?
Well, I'm apparently not supposed to mock absurdity, so I'm not really sure how to answer this. So, I'll just offer an article written by a photographer who was on the scene shortly after the shootings. To be honest, this may be the most vile and disgusting conspiracy theory out there, and the people who peddle this garbage reveal so much about themselves in doing so.

Here's an article (yes, I know, it's Cracked magazine, but that's infinitely more credible than the Alex Jones/Infowars filth out there) that you should read. It was written by someone from your tribe, and how he finally saw the error of his ways with regards to conspiracy theories. (Spoilers: he escaped this mindset through actually developing some empathy).
PacifistAg
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BTW, how do you explain the two videos posted previously (space jump & weather balloon)?
Plan-o-menon
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Big budget science to demonstrate principles that are not repeatable experiments is not valid. The meaning of recording an observation for scientific purposes is so others can verify it.

Speculating on what the government has discovered and experimentally proven is pointless unless it is commonly available.

Computers and the internet were not available outside DARPA for some time, and now they are. However, traveling to space will never be available like that.

"The delusions to seek something outside...space travel ideologies...remain unstable, shakeable autohypnotic projects against a background of futility." Peter Sloterdijk, Spheres Volume 2: Globes (1999 tr.2014) pages 777-79
PacifistAg
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BTW, how do you explain the two videos posted previously (space jump & weather balloon)?

Also, you realize that quote doesn't actually say anything of value, right?
schmendeler
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PacifistAg said:

BTW, how do you explain the two videos posted previously (space jump & weather balloon)?

Also, you realize that quote doesn't actually say anything of value, right?
Only dupes answer direct refutations of ridiculous personal beliefs.
Zobel
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Big budget science to demonstrate principles that are not repeatable experiments is not valid. The meaning of recording an observation for scientific purposes is so others can verify it.

Speculating on what the government has discovered and experimentally proven is pointless unless it is commonly available.

This is somewhere between illogical and downright stupid. Truth isn't predicated on how broadly available the verification means are.

Even so, there are so many useful scientific advances that are not commonly available to the average person. Even just general industry has tools, means, methods, and know-how to bring scientific principles to bear in order to make better products that the average joe has no concept of.
Quad Dog
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I can't believe I'm getting sucked back in and engaging with this poster again, but you said something I wanted to comment on...

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Big budget science to demonstrate principles that are not repeatable experiments is not valid. The meaning of recording an observation for scientific purposes is so others can verify it.

Speculating on what the government has discovered and experimentally proven is pointless unless it is commonly available.
If you are truly interested in science and knowledge, then don't trust governments or any other organization you hate so much. Don't trust me or any of your buddies that believe in the flat Earth. Don't quote anymore philosophers, don't post anymore pictures or videos with random irrelevant lines. Don't even quote anyone else's work. Instead go out and do some measurements and some math for yourself.

Long before any organization or government you distrust was formed, in 240 BCE, a man named Eratosthenes took a rod of known length and measured its shadow on the same day a year apart at two north-south locations a known distance apart. The distance between the two locations times 360 degrees divided by the angle of the shadow gave him the circumference of the Earth. That experiment was repeated by Jean Picard in 1669 with more accuracy. It was repeated again in 1736 by multiple scientists at multiple latitudes to prove Isaac Newton correct that the Earth wasn't a perfect sphere, but bulged in the middle. I'm leaving out many more measurements for brevity.

Unfortunately you are 7 years too late (or 98 years early) to measure the time it take Venus to translate in front of the sun. If you and a buddy did it a known distance apart and then did some trigonometry you can figure out how far the Sun is from Earth. James Cook notably did this on his way to claim Australia for England.

You have obviously done a lot of reading, I encourage you to spend an hour of so reading how these early measurements were done to find the size of the Earth, its weight, and position in the sky. It's actually really interesting how these men did it pretty simply.

You can put your own nano-satellite in space for about $5 million by paying a private company to do it. You can do it a lot cheaper by getting a Go-Pro and a weather balloon for about $1000.

Go do these things for yourself, and for mankind. If you can prove the Earth to be flat, prove the experiments repeatable, and document it well, you will literally change the world. Your name will join the names of the men above. However, if you are wrong, be man enough to admit it. I'm wrong all the time, and it makes the world a more interesting place. Then analyze the types of things you've been reading and believing and where you went wrong.

If you don't do these things, then you aren't interested in knowledge you are interested in being a contrarian.
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Eratosthenes was a known catholic lizard person.
BlackGoldAg2011
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schmendeler said:

Eratosthenes was a known catholic lizard person.
i don't care if he was a literal alien overlord trying to subject the earth so long as his math checks out.
schmendeler
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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

schmendeler said:

Eratosthenes was a known catholic lizard person.
i don't care if he was a literal alien overlord trying to subject the earth so long as his math checks out.


What you think just everyone can acquire a stick and then walk on the Earth's surface and then do middle school level math? You're officially on the Illuminati spreadsheet!
Quad Dog
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Depending on how you translate his unit of measurement he was off by 2-16%.

The dude also calculated the angle of Earth's tilt on its axis. Drew the first map with meridian and parallel lines. Invented the armillary sphere, and founded geography. He devised a system to easily identify prime numbers. He also starved himself to death out of fear of going blind.
BlackGoldAg2011
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schmendeler said:

BlackGoldAg2011 said:

schmendeler said:

Eratosthenes was a known catholic lizard person.
i don't care if he was a literal alien overlord trying to subject the earth so long as his math checks out.


What you think just everyone can acquire a stick and then walk on the Earth's surface and then do middle school level math? You're officially on the Illuminati spreadsheet!
don't forget a calendar to know what day of the year it is.
Plan-o-menon
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What have you done yourself to prove Earth's curvature and motion?

"classical mechanics...makes assertions which...are never confirmed by everyday experience"
Eduard Dijksterhuis
https://archive.org/details/mechanizationofw0000dijk



PacifistAg
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Plan-o-menon said:

What have you done yourself to prove Earth's curvature and motion?
Can we get your thoughts on the Red Bull "space jump" and the weather balloon videos that clearly show the curvature of the earth?
DVC2010
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Plan-o-menon said:

What have you done yourself to prove Earth's curvature and motion?


That's not how any of this works. You are the one trying to upend literally thousands of years of scholarship.

What you are doing is equivalent to arguing that the document on my desk does not measure 8.5" by 11" because my ruler and two tape measures are calibrated incorrectly. Maybe, but that's your burden to demonstrate.

I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point.
Quad Dog
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Nice deflection of the burden of proof from yourself to me.
Observed eclipses, the Earth's shadow has always been round and not a disc. Observed different lengths of day at the same time of year at different latitudes. Saw things disappear bottom up over the horizon. Noticed that I can't see tall things past the curvature of the Earth on a clear day. Taken long plane rides that don't mysteriously make turns. Observed the Coriolis Effect via Foucault's pendulum and done the math behind long range trajectories and taken the effect into account. And finally taken pictures and videos of a round Earth from a satellite.
Admittedly, I've never done any experiments to prove these things. I may have in elementary school but don't remember. I do also choose to believe the mathematical and scientific geniuses that came before me and built the society we live in today. Their reasoning, proof, documentation, and how repeatable their experiments are is more than enough for me.
PacifistAg
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Plan-o-menon said:

What have you done yourself to prove Earth's curvature and motion?
Since we have to have done it ourselves, if one of these persons appeared on this thread and told you they have personally seen the curvature of the earth from space, would you listen? If not, then you show your question to be insincere, because it wouldn't matter what would have been done by an individual to actually prove it. You'll immediately dismiss it as fake.

List of space travelers by name
goodAg80
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Aggrad08 said:


how do they deal with this?
Paralaxative sight lines (curvature due to the spherical shape of the eye ball)
PacifistAg
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goodAg80 said:

Aggrad08 said:


how do they deal with this?
Paralaxative sight lines (curvature due to the spherical shape of the eye ball)

Sorry, a spherical eyeball is a fabrication of trappist monks and part of a worldwide conspiracy. #flateye
AggieRain
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Sorry, a spherical eyeball is a fabrication of trappist monks and part of a worldwide conspiracy. #flateye
goodAg80
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PacifistAg said:

goodAg80 said:

Aggrad08 said:


how do they deal with this?
Paralaxative sight lines (curvature due to the spherical shape of the eye ball)

Sorry, a spherical eyeball is a fabrication of trappist monks and part of a worldwide conspiracy. #flateye
#flateye
Quad Dog
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I forgot about all the people. The idea that millions of astronauts, scientists, engineers, and pilots, etc. across the world know this secret and keep it without letting it slip may be the most ridiculous idea. This is also where moon landing conspiracies fall apart. KFC can't even keep their 11 herbs and spices recipe secret.
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More propaganda all the time!
PacifistAg
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ramblin_ag02 said:



More propaganda all the time!
That is some impressive CGI there!
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Quad Dog
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There have already been a lot of "tourists" in space.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism
 
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