Are you going to be counted amount those who accept this? Or will you stand up against it?
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Are you going to be counted amount those who accept this? Or will you stand up against it?
Literally everyone here can agree that pedophilia is bad.
Seamaster said:
Are you going to be counted amount those who accept this? Or will you stand up against it?
I choose to standup against any and all Seamaster threads.
How can children not consent to sex, but can consent to changing their gender identity and sexual preference?
Well, obviously everyone here is opposed to pedophilia.
I was a little surprised that the video uses someone who identifies as transgender (Camille Paglia) as one of their sources of support, since I get the feeling the creator of the video is probably not too supportive of trans persons.
I was a little surprised that the video uses someone who identifies as transgender (Camille Paglia) as one of their sources of support, since I get the feeling the creator of the video is probably not too supportive of trans persons.
Dr. Watson said:Seamaster said:
Are you going to be counted amount those who accept this? Or will you stand up against it?
I choose to standup against any and all Seamaster threads.
Well if you've stood up against two of them, you've stood up against them all because they are all about the same two topics.
since probably no one will actually watch that stupid video, here is some of what was said by the academic in question:
Can anyone actually provide evidence to refute this?
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Let me be very clear here. Abusing children is wrong without any doubt. But a pedophile who doesn't abuse children has done nothing wrong. I want to quickly summarize where we are at the moment. According to current research, pedophilia is an unchangeable sexual orientation, just like for example heterosexuality. No one chooses to be a pedophile. No one can cease being one. The difference between pedophilia and other sexual orientations is that living out this sexual orientation will end in a disaster.
Can anyone actually provide evidence to refute this?
It doesn't matter.Marco Esquandolas said:
since probably no one will actually watch that stupid video, here is some of what was said by the academic in question:Quote:
Let me be very clear here. Abusing children is wrong without any doubt. But a pedophile who doesn't abuse children has done nothing wrong. I want to quickly summarize where we are at the moment. According to current research, pedophilia is an unchangeable sexual orientation, just like for example heterosexuality. No one chooses to be a pedophile. No one can cease being one. The difference between pedophilia and other sexual orientations is that living out this sexual orientation will end in a disaster.
Can anyone actually provide evidence to refute this?
A person's lack of self-discipline is no excuse for bad behavior.
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
Dad-O-Lot said:It doesn't matter.Marco Esquandolas said:
since probably no one will actually watch that stupid video, here is some of what was said by the academic in question:Quote:
Let me be very clear here. Abusing children is wrong without any doubt. But a pedophile who doesn't abuse children has done nothing wrong. I want to quickly summarize where we are at the moment. According to current research, pedophilia is an unchangeable sexual orientation, just like for example heterosexuality. No one chooses to be a pedophile. No one can cease being one. The difference between pedophilia and other sexual orientations is that living out this sexual orientation will end in a disaster.
Can anyone actually provide evidence to refute this?
A person's lack of self-discipline is no excuse for bad behavior.
Who is excusing child molestation? She literally said, in the quote I posted, "Abusing children is wrong without any doubt."
Anyway i'll put you down for a "no, and I didn't bother to think about it for more than 2 seconds."
What exactly is the objectionable part of this?
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Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.
No, I am too busy copying and pasting my canned response.AstroAg17 said:
Does anyone even watch the videos?
I don't think even Seamaster does.AstroAg17 said:
Does anyone even watch the videos?
Nothing, until you realize this same argument was used regarding homosexuality.Marco Esquandolas said:
What exactly is the objectionable part of this?Quote:
Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.
It is a repeating pattern.
Add to this the fact that our society doesn't value self-discipline with regard to sex and this is just a dangerous next step to having more children being victimized.
look for movements to legalize child sex dolls. Instead of discipline we will encourage acting out on these objects. Some will then move on to real children; then feel like they are the victims.
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
Dad-O-Lot said:Nothing, until you realize this same argument was used regarding homosexuality.Marco Esquandolas said:
What exactly is the objectionable part of this?Quote:
Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.
It is a repeating pattern.
Add to this the fact that our society doesn't value self-discipline with regard to sex and this is just a dangerous next step to having more children being victimized.
look for movements to legalize child sex dolls. Instead of discipline we will encourage acting out on these objects. Some will then move on to real children; then feel like they are the victims.
Monkeys might also fly out of my arse.
You have no argument and no evidence. Just pure imaginary fantasies.
Show. Your. Work.
Its pretty cool, I guess, to just sit back and pretend that this isn't the next big front of the sexual revolution.
At least its cool on TexAgs.
Just wait.
You'll all be Neanderthals if you maintain your belief that sex between adults and children is wrong within a few years. Some of you will change your tune to fit in with the culture.
But lets get this straight -
Beer Baron. Is pedophilia a legitimate sexual identity? Meaning - an unchangeable sexual identity just like heterosexuality or homosexuality? Or is it disordered?
I am not asking about the act here - but the sexual identity.
I say that the "identity" is disordered. Its a sick and awful sin. Its base. Its not a valid form of attraction at all. And, a person who feels any kind of attraction to a child should get help - counseling and maybe more than counseling.
Maybe you'll say, like the lady in the video, that its a perfectly normal and valid sexual identity....and if you say that, are you saying that pedophiles must spend their lives repressing their desires? They can't be their 'true selves?' Doesn't that seem unfair and have we not heard that argument before!?!?
At least its cool on TexAgs.
Just wait.
You'll all be Neanderthals if you maintain your belief that sex between adults and children is wrong within a few years. Some of you will change your tune to fit in with the culture.
But lets get this straight -
Beer Baron. Is pedophilia a legitimate sexual identity? Meaning - an unchangeable sexual identity just like heterosexuality or homosexuality? Or is it disordered?
I am not asking about the act here - but the sexual identity.
I say that the "identity" is disordered. Its a sick and awful sin. Its base. Its not a valid form of attraction at all. And, a person who feels any kind of attraction to a child should get help - counseling and maybe more than counseling.
Maybe you'll say, like the lady in the video, that its a perfectly normal and valid sexual identity....and if you say that, are you saying that pedophiles must spend their lives repressing their desires? They can't be their 'true selves?' Doesn't that seem unfair and have we not heard that argument before!?!?
Torbush
Seamaster said:
Its pretty cool, I guess, to just sit back and pretend that this isn't the next big front of the sexual revolution.
At least its cool on TexAgs.
Just wait.
You'll all be Neanderthals if you maintain your belief that sex between adults and children is wrong within a few years. Some of you will change your tune to fit in with the culture.
But lets get this straight -
Beer Baron. Is pedophilia a legitimate sexual identity? Meaning - an unchangeable sexual identity just like heterosexuality or homosexuality? Or is it disordered?
I am not asking about the act here - but the sexual identity.
I say that the "identity" is disordered. Its a sick and awful sin. Its base. Its not a valid form of attraction at all. And, a person who feels any kind of attraction to a child should get help - counseling and maybe more than counseling.
Maybe you'll say, like the lady in the video, that its a perfectly normal and valid sexual identity....and if you say that, are you saying that pedophiles must spend their lives repressing their desires? They can't be their 'true selves?' Doesn't that seem unfair and have we not heard that argument before!?!?
This is exactly what the woman in the video says, no? Is more effective treatment and assistance with coping not the entire point of her talk?
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The event description says Heine was "mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network Kein Tter Werden." This is most likely referring to Dr. Klaus Beier, who has offered therapy and treatment programs to pedophiles. https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/tedx-talk-pedophilia/
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German hospital offers therapy to paedophiles, 7,000 people show interest
Klaus Beier, who leads the prevention network at Charite's sexual medicine institute, explains, 'Paedophilia is not curable but it can be treated... A paedophile can learn to control his urges'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-paedophilia-clinic-university-hospital-treatment-berlin-a7384356.html
A man looks with interest at the child sitting in front of him in the metro, as a voice asks off-screen: "Do you like children in ways that you shouldn't?" "Help is available," adds the advertisement broadcast on Germantelevision and over the internet, urging people who feel sexually attracted to children to join a unique therapy programme called "Don't offend" (Kein Taeter werden).
Launched some 11 years ago, the largely publicly-funded project by Berlin's top university hospital Charite calls on paedophiles to undertake a treatment that helps them control their urges. More than 7,000 people have sought information on the programme, which is offered in 11 centres across Germany. Of these, 659 people have undertaken the therapy, with 251 completing the entire programme. Another 265 are currently being given treatment either in group or individual sessions. The German initiative is unique because it deals with potential sex criminals, or those who have already committed abuses but have managed to escape justice.
Other programmes deal with convicted paedophiles who have also been issued specific orders to seek medical care. Klaus Beier, who leads the prevention network as well as Charite's sexual medicine institute, has no illusions about the programme. "Paedophilia is not curable," he said. "But it can be treated," he added, stressing that "a paedophile can learn to control his urges." The project is grounded on the principle that sexual attraction to children is a medical problem, and as Beier said, "not a crime" until the urge is acted upon. The World Health Organisation too classifies paedophilia as a "sexual preference disorder".
Over one or two years, during two-hour sessions every week, the patient is taught to develop strategies to stop himself from acting on his tendencies or from consuming child pornography. The programme also helps the patient to acquire a level of empathy towards potential victims, which could go towards dissuading him from hurting them. The patient can choose to remain anonymous throughout the treatment, even with his therapist, and at the end of the programme, he can request follow-ups. Medical help, such as chemical castration, is also offered on a voluntary basis. Scientists from around the world including countries in North America as well as Switzerland and India, have been watching the project with interest.
"In France, we are still at the starting point on creating a programme that is similar to Germany's," said a psychiatrist at France's health and medical research institute Inserm, Serge Stoleru. He said the response from authorities had been that "paedophilia is a tricky subject." But even in Germany, one of the countries scarred by a massive paedophile priest scandal in the Roman Catholic Church, the therapy programme is controversial. Not only is there strong societal pressure against the programme, Beier said that even in the pharmaceutical world, there is "great reticence" towards developing medicine for paedophiles that could take effect rapidly. However, Jerome Braun, who leads a child protection foundation called Hansel and Gretel that co-funds the therapy programme, said that prevention work must not only be targeted at bringing awareness to potential victims in kindergartens or schools. "It should also look at potential criminals because each act prevented is a child saved," he said.
AFP
So far, we have yet to see any evidence of anyone at all advocating child abuse, correct? In any case, the extrapolation of a supposed "agenda" that you conjured up in your head from a single ted talk is truly a feat of mental gymnastics.
Odd that you direct your pedophile questions specifically at me. To answer your question anyway, I don't think you'd find many people who would tell you its changeable, just like any other kind of sexual attraction. I also find it disordered. I realize you think that makes me a hypocrite because you arbitrarily place homosexuality and pedophilia in exact same box.Quote:
Beer Baron. Is pedophilia a legitimate sexual identity? Meaning - an unchangeable sexual identity just like heterosexuality or homosexuality? Or is it disordered?
I agree. Again, no one is defending pedophilia. You're saying lots of people definitely are going to start any minute, but they're not. This is just the latest slippery slope to nowhere you've become obsessed with.Quote:
I am not asking about the act here - but the sexual identity.
I say that the "identity" is disordered. Its a sick and awful sin. Its base. Its not a valid form of attraction at all. And, a person who feels any kind of attraction to a child should get help - counseling and maybe more than counseling.
Gonna stop you right there. I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not saying that.Quote:
Maybe you'll say, like the lady in the video, that its a perfectly normal and valid sexual identity...
I'm not saying that it's "normal" or "valid," but unless I missed it we haven't found a way to change it. And yes, when acting on your sexual urges necessarily involves unwilling/unconsenting participants, you have to live your life repressing it. I know in your hysterical mind you think that makes me a hypocrite somehow, but the rest of us here in non-hystericalland can see the difference.Quote:
...and if you say that, are you saying that pedophiles must spend their lives repressing their desires?
I can see by your punctuation that you're very, very upset. You seem to be under the impression that if two propositions have similar arguments, those two propositions have equal amounts of validity. That is not true. I know you really, really, really want it to be. I know you really, really, really want society to put me in the same box as they put pedophiles in. For many years they did. The world is better now that they don't. The only people screaming about legalized sex with children seem to be the pedophiles and hysterical pearl-clutching christians like yourself.Quote:
They can't be their 'true selves?' Doesn't that seem unfair and have we not heard that argument before!?!?
BB.
I asked you the question since you often jump on me when I post and you were one of the first here.
Secondly, glad we agree on something.
What I predict will happen is that gradually pedophilia will be normalized using all of the same arguments used to normalize heterosexual promiscuity, homosexuality and now transgender issues.
I hope I am wrong but glad we agree that pedophila is disordered.
P.S. I don't wear pearls. But I am concerned about the direction of our culture. If you read history, you know that loosened sexual mores and the breakdown of the family are often a signpost for the collapse of a culture. It's arrogance to think our culture would be any different.
I asked you the question since you often jump on me when I post and you were one of the first here.
Secondly, glad we agree on something.
What I predict will happen is that gradually pedophilia will be normalized using all of the same arguments used to normalize heterosexual promiscuity, homosexuality and now transgender issues.
I hope I am wrong but glad we agree that pedophila is disordered.
P.S. I don't wear pearls. But I am concerned about the direction of our culture. If you read history, you know that loosened sexual mores and the breakdown of the family are often a signpost for the collapse of a culture. It's arrogance to think our culture would be any different.
Torbush
We just had this discussion like a month ago. You seem to find it incredible that someone like me could possibly have an issue with people raping children. Just like last time, that attitude shows your complete and total, and I suspect willful, ignorance.
And I predict your prediction won't happen at all, but until the end of time there will always be people like you screaming that it's totally about to any second.
I think this whole thing is a question best posed to Catholics, an institution that has spent years normalizing and defending pedophilia.
Marco Esquandolas said:Dad-O-Lot said:Nothing, until you realize this same argument was used regarding homosexuality.Marco Esquandolas said:
What exactly is the objectionable part of this?Quote:
Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.
It is a repeating pattern.
Add to this the fact that our society doesn't value self-discipline with regard to sex and this is just a dangerous next step to having more children being victimized.
look for movements to legalize child sex dolls. Instead of discipline we will encourage acting out on these objects. Some will then move on to real children; then feel like they are the victims.
Monkeys might also fly out of my arse.
You have no argument and no evidence. Just pure imaginary fantasies.
Show. Your. Work.
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
Dad-O-Lot said:Marco Esquandolas said:Dad-O-Lot said:Nothing, until you realize this same argument was used regarding homosexuality.Marco Esquandolas said:
What exactly is the objectionable part of this?Quote:
Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.
It is a repeating pattern.
Add to this the fact that our society doesn't value self-discipline with regard to sex and this is just a dangerous next step to having more children being victimized.
look for movements to legalize child sex dolls. Instead of discipline we will encourage acting out on these objects. Some will then move on to real children; then feel like they are the victims.
Monkeys might also fly out of my arse.
You have no argument and no evidence. Just pure imaginary fantasies.
Show. Your. Work.
Amazing how in your mind treating people with basic humanity leads to disaster.
excusing deviancy, followed by accepting of that deviancy, followed then by celebration of that deviancy leads to disaster.Dr. Watson said:Dad-O-Lot said:Marco Esquandolas said:Dad-O-Lot said:Nothing, until you realize this same argument was used regarding homosexuality.Marco Esquandolas said:
What exactly is the objectionable part of this?Quote:
Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.
It is a repeating pattern.
Add to this the fact that our society doesn't value self-discipline with regard to sex and this is just a dangerous next step to having more children being victimized.
look for movements to legalize child sex dolls. Instead of discipline we will encourage acting out on these objects. Some will then move on to real children; then feel like they are the victims.
Monkeys might also fly out of my arse.
You have no argument and no evidence. Just pure imaginary fantasies.
Show. Your. Work.
Amazing how in your mind treating people with basic humanity leads to disaster.
I have plenty of sympathy for those who bear their "cross" with dignity and don't try to excuse or normalize deviancy. I have no sympathy for those who try to excuse their actions with the phrase "I was born this way"
trust me when I say that I hope I'm wrong, but I've seen this pattern before and have grown cynical about it.
People of integrity expect to be believed, when they're not, they let time prove them right.
Not seeing how that's an excuse.
BB.
I didn't say or suggest that you or anybody else would be ok with the abuse of children.
What I want you to see, is that the same arguments that brought forth the aforementioned changes, can be made by other groups. You can add polygamists to the list.
I honestly hope you're right though. Please remember this conversation if while at a Pride parade in the next several years you see signs or flags or t-shirts in support of "minor attracted persons."
By the way, its not just uncle Seamaster,clutching his pearls, who sees this coming. Over the years the American Psychiatric Association labeled pedophila as a deviation or a sociopathy. That will be the first thing to change - it will no longer be a deviant sociopathy, it will be another orientation.
And, for the record, I think and have always thought, that the biggest threat to our culture is not homosexual marriage, but the breakdown of the family and absent fathers.
I didn't say or suggest that you or anybody else would be ok with the abuse of children.
What I want you to see, is that the same arguments that brought forth the aforementioned changes, can be made by other groups. You can add polygamists to the list.
I honestly hope you're right though. Please remember this conversation if while at a Pride parade in the next several years you see signs or flags or t-shirts in support of "minor attracted persons."
By the way, its not just uncle Seamaster,clutching his pearls, who sees this coming. Over the years the American Psychiatric Association labeled pedophila as a deviation or a sociopathy. That will be the first thing to change - it will no longer be a deviant sociopathy, it will be another orientation.
And, for the record, I think and have always thought, that the biggest threat to our culture is not homosexual marriage, but the breakdown of the family and absent fathers.
Torbush
I'll have what the rook is having. I need an escape from reality, even if for a moment, and his choice of libation seems quite effective.Davywick said:
I think this whole thing is a question best posed to Catholics, an institution that has spent years normalizing and defending pedophilia.
If only we could get back to biblical norms like incest and polygamy. Hell, god loved incest so much he repopulated the earth twice with it.
How old was Mary when that eternal being put a baby inside of her? 11?
How old was Mary when that eternal being put a baby inside of her? 11?
Welcome back!
Indeed. And if we could only go back 50+ or so years to the days of moral purity. When men could beat their wives, have mistresses and just all around treat women like property. Back when homosexuals would get beaten to death. When there were no DNA tests to inconvenience men who spread their seed unknowingly to their wives. When children who ever told someone they were being sexually abused were told to shut up about it. We sure have gone down hill since the morally pure days.Davywick said:
If only we could get back to biblical norms like incest and polygamy. Hell, god loved incest so much he repopulated the earth twice with it.
How old was Mary when that eternal being put a baby inside of her? 11?
7nine
I hope that over next few years when you start seeing people calling for human sacrifice in the name of their religions, you realize that the same religious freedom arguments you've been using can be used by them too.
See, you're not the only one who can just make **** up.
See, you're not the only one who can just make **** up.
Also, the Austin pride parade these days is mostly supportive churches and corporations these days. I think you'd be sorely disappointed at the level of debauchery you'd encounter at it.
What is up tysonious!
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