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Let me be very clear here. Abusing children is wrong without any doubt. But a pedophile who doesn't abuse children has done nothing wrong. I want to quickly summarize where we are at the moment. According to current research, pedophilia is an unchangeable sexual orientation, just like for example heterosexuality. No one chooses to be a pedophile. No one can cease being one. The difference between pedophilia and other sexual orientations is that living out this sexual orientation will end in a disaster.

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Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.

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AstroAg17 said:

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Does anyone even watch the videos?

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Does anyone even watch the videos?

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Marco Esquandolas said:

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What exactly is the objectionable part of this?

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Mirjam Heine
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One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.

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Its pretty cool, I guess, to just sit back and pretend that this isn't the next big front of the sexual revolution.

At least its cool on TexAgs.

Just wait.

You'll all be Neanderthals if you maintain your belief that sex between adults and children is wrong within a few years. Some of you will change your tune to fit in with the culture.

But lets get this straight -

Beer Baron. Is pedophilia a legitimate sexual identity? Meaning - an unchangeable sexual identity just like heterosexuality or homosexuality? Or is it disordered?

I am not asking about the act here - but the sexual identity.

I say that the "identity" is disordered. Its a sick and awful sin. Its base. Its not a valid form of attraction at all. And, a person who feels any kind of attraction to a child should get help - counseling and maybe more than counseling.

Maybe you'll say, like the lady in the video, that its a perfectly normal and valid sexual identity....and if you say that, are you saying that pedophiles must spend their lives repressing their desires? They can't be their 'true selves?' Doesn't that seem unfair and have we not heard that argument before!?!?

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The event description says Heine was "mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network Kein Tter Werden." This is most likely referring to Dr. Klaus Beier, who has offered therapy and treatment programs to pedophiles. https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/tedx-talk-pedophilia/

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German hospital offers therapy to paedophiles, 7,000 people show interest

Klaus Beier, who leads the prevention network at Charite's sexual medicine institute, explains, 'Paedophilia is not curable but it can be treated... A paedophile can learn to control his urges'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-paedophilia-clinic-university-hospital-treatment-berlin-a7384356.html

A man looks with interest at the child sitting in front of him in the metro, as a voice asks off-screen: "Do you like children in ways that you shouldn't?" "Help is available," adds the advertisement broadcast on Germantelevision and over the internet, urging people who feel sexually attracted to children to join a unique therapy programme called "Don't offend" (Kein Taeter werden).

Launched some 11 years ago, the largely publicly-funded project by Berlin's top university hospital Charite calls on paedophiles to undertake a treatment that helps them control their urges. More than 7,000 people have sought information on the programme, which is offered in 11 centres across Germany. Of these, 659 people have undertaken the therapy, with 251 completing the entire programme. Another 265 are currently being given treatment either in group or individual sessions. The German initiative is unique because it deals with potential sex criminals, or those who have already committed abuses but have managed to escape justice.

Other programmes deal with convicted paedophiles who have also been issued specific orders to seek medical care. Klaus Beier, who leads the prevention network as well as Charite's sexual medicine institute, has no illusions about the programme. "Paedophilia is not curable," he said. "But it can be treated," he added, stressing that "a paedophile can learn to control his urges." The project is grounded on the principle that sexual attraction to children is a medical problem, and as Beier said, "not a crime" until the urge is acted upon. The World Health Organisation too classifies paedophilia as a "sexual preference disorder".
Over one or two years, during two-hour sessions every week, the patient is taught to develop strategies to stop himself from acting on his tendencies or from consuming child pornography. The programme also helps the patient to acquire a level of empathy towards potential victims, which could go towards dissuading him from hurting them. The patient can choose to remain anonymous throughout the treatment, even with his therapist, and at the end of the programme, he can request follow-ups. Medical help, such as chemical castration, is also offered on a voluntary basis. Scientists from around the world including countries in North America as well as Switzerland and India, have been watching the project with interest.


"In France, we are still at the starting point on creating a programme that is similar to Germany's," said a psychiatrist at France's health and medical research institute Inserm, Serge Stoleru. He said the response from authorities had been that "paedophilia is a tricky subject." But even in Germany, one of the countries scarred by a massive paedophile priest scandal in the Roman Catholic Church, the therapy programme is controversial. Not only is there strong societal pressure against the programme, Beier said that even in the pharmaceutical world, there is "great reticence" towards developing medicine for paedophiles that could take effect rapidly. However, Jerome Braun, who leads a child protection foundation called Hansel and Gretel that co-funds the therapy programme, said that prevention work must not only be targeted at bringing awareness to potential victims in kindergartens or schools. "It should also look at potential criminals because each act prevented is a child saved," he said.
AFP

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What exactly is the objectionable part of this?

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Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.

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Nothing, until you realize this same argument was used regarding homosexuality.

It is a repeating pattern.

Add to this the fact that our society doesn't value self-discipline with regard to sex and this is just a dangerous next step to having more children being victimized.

look for movements to legalize child sex dolls. Instead of discipline we will encourage acting out on these objects. Some will then move on to real children; then feel like they are the victims.

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Monkeys might also fly out of my arse.

You have no argument and no evidence. Just pure imaginary fantasies.

Show. Your. Work.

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Marco Esquandolas said:

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What exactly is the objectionable part of this?

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Mirjam Heine
Medical Student
One to two percent of the main male population is considered as pedophiles. This means worldwide more than 57 million people. Therefore, pedophilia is not an irrelevant phenomenon we can ignore. It is unrelated to class status and educational level. The medical student Mirjam Heine explains how an appropriate approach to the unchangeable sexual orientation pedophilia might look like. She is mainly guided by the works of Prof Dr. Dr. Beier, the head of the institute for sexology and sexual medicine at the University Hospital Berlin and the prevention network "Kein Tter Werden" (meaning "don't offend"). Hence, she also believes that no one is responsible for their sexual orientation, for their feelings, but that everyone is responsible for acting upon this sexual orientation. She also inquires how all of us can gain if we distinguish clearly between our feelings and our actions. Since pedophiles can't change their sexual desires, they must learn to control them to not act upon them.

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Nothing, until you realize this same argument was used regarding homosexuality.

It is a repeating pattern.

Add to this the fact that our society doesn't value self-discipline with regard to sex and this is just a dangerous next step to having more children being victimized.

look for movements to legalize child sex dolls. Instead of discipline we will encourage acting out on these objects. Some will then move on to real children; then feel like they are the victims.

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Monkeys might also fly out of my arse.

You have no argument and no evidence. Just pure imaginary fantasies.

Show. Your. Work.

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Amazing how in your mind treating people with basic humanity leads to disaster.

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Davywick said:

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I think this whole thing is a question best posed to Catholics, an institution that has spent years normalizing and defending pedophilia.

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