I prefer #1....
You're also neglecting our catholics, who possess a third option.Thaddeus73 said:
I prefer #1....
Thaddeus73 said:
In the end, whether we go through Purgatory or not, those are the two final choices.
Evangelization....Deal with it...
Thaddeus73 said:
Evangelization....Deal with it...
Thaddeus73 said:
I prefer #1....
Have you met Thad? That's exactly what he is.Quote:
You are acting like the crazy guy standing on a stool, shouting at people going about their day to repent.
dermdoc said:
Nothing wrong with street preaching imho. I am not called to do it but God bless those who are.
dermdoc said:
Maybe so. But if they save one person then it was worth it imho.
dermdoc said:
Do you think it is the speaker or the message that turns them off? IMHO, it is the message as long as the message being preached is the Gospel.
dermdoc said:
Those who are "turned off" would not believe no matter how the message was presented.
dermdoc said:
Do you think it is the speaker or the message that turns them off? IMHO, it is the message as long as the message being preached is the Gospel.
I guess what I am trying to say is that I get a little Calvinistic here. It is worth it if one hears and believes. Those who are "turned off" would not believe no matter how the message was presented.
For some people (myself included) it doesn't matter how nicely the message is conveyed - they (I) just don't subscribe to the supernatural claims. The only thing that changes with the different approaches is how we react - do I laugh at you as I walk past your screaming, or do I politely tell a nice person I'm not interested?dermdoc said:
Do you think it is the speaker or the message that turns them off? IMHO, it is the message as long as the message being preached is the Gospel.
I guess what I am trying to say is that I get a little Calvinistic here. It is worth it if one hears and believes. Those who are "turned off" would not believe no matter how the message was presented.
Imagine sending a similar picture to a girl you liked as a single man. 1. being a picture of you and her getting married, 2. being her tied up in your basement. And it's captioned "you choose".Thaddeus73 said:
I prefer #1....
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At best it will make the job harder for every Christian because, believe it or not, people tend to form stereotypes from the behavior of the crazy outliers of each group and assume all of us are as crazy as you.
Not true, if you assume that Paul wrote Hebrews, which some dispute...Quote:
Why did Paul, in all his letters and preaching, never threaten Hell?
dermdoc said:
Maybe so. Let me ask if the non believers on here, surely someone has presented to you the simple Gospel in a non condemning manner. That we are all sinners, that the result of sin is death, and Christ died for those sins so we could have eternal life. Did the "right" presentation change your mind and cause you to believe?
Thaddeus73 said:
You might want to read the bible and what Jesus said about hell, through his bullhorn...
I went down that same path before eventually conceding that the Biblical position makes a pretty strong case for eternal hell in Mark 9:48dermdoc said:
And Thaddeus I used to believe just like you do but the concept of Hell as a pre created torture chamber bothered me. Especially with the idea of Jesus showing us what God is like. So I have done a lot of reading and changed my views. And whats interesting is that I really love God now and can worship him joyfully. And my witness has improved dramatically. And do not worry about me spreading false doctrine. When I witness, I just present the simple Gospel. And from my understanding, that is how it was done in the NT.