Which has never happened before in the 2000 years since Matthew was written. You just choose to apply it to your experience.UTExan said:
No. The signs of the fire are all around: increased narcissism, an uncivil society fractured along many lines of divisionMatthew 24
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Matt Walsh with a good take on his FB page....
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Hugh Hefner died last night. I'm sorry he's dead. I'm sorry for his family. But mostly I'm sorry for the incredible damage he did to society as one of the pioneers of the sexual revolution and a driving force behind our cultural decay.
It's unfortunate that we must point out the fact that Hefner was a pornographer and a pimp. That his life's work was to amass a collection of desperate women who were willing to be used and exploited. But we must tell this truth in order to combat the untruths that people are now saying about him.
We live in a country where men like Hefner are immediately canonized upon death. I've seen Hefner described as a "hero" and a "role model." These are lies, and we must call them lies. The fact that Hefner is dead does not change the fact that he was a peddler of filth. If a man wishes to be remembered as virtuous and decent, he must live virtuously and decently. We don't become virtuous and decent when we die, as if death itself washes away every bad thing we've done. Quite the opposite, actually. Death is when we reckon with the bad things.
I've been assured that Hefner is "in a better place" now. I realize this is just a thing we say about all dead people, no matter who they are and what they did. And indeed it's possible that Hefner repented before death and has now entered the Better Place. But to confidently state as fact that a pornographer is in Heaven is arrogant and dangerous. Pray that God has mercy on him, but do not run around declaring that a man who spent his life having orgies and taking pictures of naked women must necessarily be reaping eternal rewards.
Let's try to be serious for a change. Let's treat the death of a man like Hefner with somber honesty. It is always sad when someone dies. It is even sadder when a corrupt and decadent man dies. We may have hope that a man of great faith and goodness is in Heaven. We may have the same hope for the corrupt man, but it is a slimmer hope. So, we simply trust in the mercy and justice of God, knowing that He will deliver us all to the destinations we have chosen. And, if we must learn anything from Hefner's life, it's that a life of selfish pleasure seems so pointless once it's over. That is the great lesson he taught us.
May God have mercy on him and all sinners. Amen.
Thanks for responding back. I didn't come to the board to pick a fight. I read the article you posted and interpreted it differently than you. I got the impression the author was saying "it's just sex." I saw it as another christian surrendering to the modern world.
My sensitivity to liberation theology is due entirely to pope Francis. I had no idea what it was until I researched him because something in his message was off. He admits to friendships with communists and does not preach against the evil and death commmunism has brought to the world, but calls capitalism the devils dung. I really got turned off by him when he questioned the validity of most catholic marriages, said people living together may have more of a real marriage than those married in the church. His comments sound closer to Hef than Jesus.
My sensitivity to liberation theology is due entirely to pope Francis. I had no idea what it was until I researched him because something in his message was off. He admits to friendships with communists and does not preach against the evil and death commmunism has brought to the world, but calls capitalism the devils dung. I really got turned off by him when he questioned the validity of most catholic marriages, said people living together may have more of a real marriage than those married in the church. His comments sound closer to Hef than Jesus.
AmenRAB91 said:
Matt Walsh with a good take on his FB page....Quote:
Hugh Hefner died last night. I'm sorry he's dead. I'm sorry for his family. But mostly I'm sorry for the incredible damage he did to society as one of the pioneers of the sexual revolution and a driving force behind our cultural decay.
It's unfortunate that we must point out the fact that Hefner was a pornographer and a pimp. That his life's work was to amass a collection of desperate women who were willing to be used and exploited. But we must tell this truth in order to combat the untruths that people are now saying about him.
We live in a country where men like Hefner are immediately canonized upon death. I've seen Hefner described as a "hero" and a "role model." These are lies, and we must call them lies. The fact that Hefner is dead does not change the fact that he was a peddler of filth. If a man wishes to be remembered as virtuous and decent, he must live virtuously and decently. We don't become virtuous and decent when we die, as if death itself washes away every bad thing we've done. Quite the opposite, actually. Death is when we reckon with the bad things.
I've been assured that Hefner is "in a better place" now. I realize this is just a thing we say about all dead people, no matter who they are and what they did. And indeed it's possible that Hefner repented before death and has now entered the Better Place. But to confidently state as fact that a pornographer is in Heaven is arrogant and dangerous. Pray that God has mercy on him, but do not run around declaring that a man who spent his life having orgies and taking pictures of naked women must necessarily be reaping eternal rewards.
Let's try to be serious for a change. Let's treat the death of a man like Hefner with somber honesty. It is always sad when someone dies. It is even sadder when a corrupt and decadent man dies. We may have hope that a man of great faith and goodness is in Heaven. We may have the same hope for the corrupt man, but it is a slimmer hope. So, we simply trust in the mercy and justice of God, knowing that He will deliver us all to the destinations we have chosen. And, if we must learn anything from Hefner's life, it's that a life of selfish pleasure seems so pointless once it's over. That is the great lesson he taught us.
May God have mercy on him and all sinners. Amen.
RAB91 said:
Matt Walsh with a good take on his FB page....Quote:
Hugh Hefner died last night. I'm sorry he's dead. I'm sorry for his family. But mostly I'm sorry for the incredible damage he did to society as one of the pioneers of the sexual revolution and a driving force behind our cultural decay.
It's unfortunate that we must point out the fact that Hefner was a pornographer and a pimp. That his life's work was to amass a collection of desperate women who were willing to be used and exploited. But we must tell this truth in order to combat the untruths that people are now saying about him.
We live in a country where men like Hefner are immediately canonized upon death. I've seen Hefner described as a "hero" and a "role model." These are lies, and we must call them lies. The fact that Hefner is dead does not change the fact that he was a peddler of filth. If a man wishes to be remembered as virtuous and decent, he must live virtuously and decently. We don't become virtuous and decent when we die, as if death itself washes away every bad thing we've done. Quite the opposite, actually. Death is when we reckon with the bad things.
I've been assured that Hefner is "in a better place" now. I realize this is just a thing we say about all dead people, no matter who they are and what they did. And indeed it's possible that Hefner repented before death and has now entered the Better Place. But to confidently state as fact that a pornographer is in Heaven is arrogant and dangerous. Pray that God has mercy on him, but do not run around declaring that a man who spent his life having orgies and taking pictures of naked women must necessarily be reaping eternal rewards.
Let's try to be serious for a change. Let's treat the death of a man like Hefner with somber honesty. It is always sad when someone dies. It is even sadder when a corrupt and decadent man dies. We may have hope that a man of great faith and goodness is in Heaven. We may have the same hope for the corrupt man, but it is a slimmer hope. So, we simply trust in the mercy and justice of God, knowing that He will deliver us all to the destinations we have chosen. And, if we must learn anything from Hefner's life, it's that a life of selfish pleasure seems so pointless once it's over. That is the great lesson he taught us.
May God have mercy on him and all sinners. Amen.
I'm typically not much of a fan of Matt Walsh, but this was really well put.
I certainly remember the hubbub concerning Frankie's off the cuff remarks responding to a question concerning the crisis of marriage. His comments about many Catholic marriages not being sacramentally valid had to do with the attitude of those on entering into the sacrament. His comments about about some cohabitation situations being more real or valid was specific to a cultural norm in a part of Argentina in which through a process of many years couples move from cohabitation, to civil marriage and eventually a sacramental marriage within the Church.Latigo said:
I really got turned off by him when he questioned the validity of most catholic marriages, said people living together may have more of a real marriage than those married in the church. His comments sound closer to Hef than Jesus.
Updated: Most marriages today are invalid, Pope Francis suggests
AstroAg17 said:
I find that whenever someone accuses Francis of saying something interesting or provocative, if you look up what he actually said it's incredibly boring and non-committal. People just like to make up stuff.
Why do you only respond to a portion of what I posted? You skipped the part about communism.
Why are priests marrying people if they don't have the right "attitude" toward marriage? Does the same attitude excuse abortion because someone didn't realize the commitment involved in being a parent? Does the word of God and definition of sin vary by region? "Oh, if you're from Argentina, that's not considered a sin. Don't worry about it."
If the man can't speak off the cuff without creating more questions than answers, he should keep his mouth shut.
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He should just keep his mouth shut on every topic.
The world would be better off for it.
What an incredibly enlightening, and entertaining, thread!
Guilty....Marco Esquandolas said:AstroAg17 said:
When I lived on campus we had fire alarms at 2 am several times and it was because some drunk idiots tried to cook mac and cheese without water or microwaved popcorn for 30 minutes.
And now they are regular posters in the Politics forum.
Because Pope Francis has made many more comments about economic matters (or at least those comments are the ones that generate the most comments in the press) which makes it difficult to know exactly what you were referencing. Frankie might have friends that are communist, I have no idea. I have friends that have a socialist economic outlook and are even Democrats (gasp), does that make me a socialist or in agreement with everything or even anything found in the Democratic Platform? Pope Benedict did not preach against the evils of communism either (or at least I never saw any) and based upon a number of quotes attributed to him he is hardly a laissez faire free market capitalist. I guess Benny is a pinko commie also. As for Frankie supposedly calling capitalism Devil's Dung: Did Francis really call capitalism the "dung of the devil"?Latigo said:
Why do you only respond to a portion of what I posted? You skipped the part about communism.
Sigh, for someone not wanting to pick a fight you seem awfully combative. If you did not read to linked article, please do, I tried to give a quick synopsis but obviously my attempt went astray. If you do, I believe you will realize how you portrayed the Pope's comments were way off. I also believe it would help if you would take the time to understand what the Church believes is a Sacramental marriage. Since my attempts to briefly explain have so far have been unsuccessful it would probalby be best if you tried Google, Maybe one of the R&P Board's more articulate Catholics might pick up my slack.Quote:
Why are priests marrying people if they don't have the right "attitude" toward marriage? Does the same attitude excuse abortion because someone didn't realize the commitment involved in being a parent? Does the word of God and definition of sin vary by region? "Oh, if you're from Argentina, that's not considered a sin. Don't worry about it."
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If the man can't speak off the cuff without creating more questions than answers, he should keep his mouth shut.
I'm sure there are many within the Vatican that wish that Frankie would stick to prepared text just like I'm sure there are some in the White House that wish President Trump would stay off Twitter.
How are tough questions combative? I'll leave the discussion.
No need to remove yourself from the discussion if you still have questions or concerns. Maybe we are talking past each other and I apologize for misinterpreting the tone of your post. My concern is that your opinion of Pope Francis is filtered through a lens that portrays him in an unfair light. The purpose of my post was not necessarily to change your opinion of Frankie but to question how the secular media are portraying him.Latigo said:
How are tough questions combative? I'll leave the discussion.
I think that NYT even got this one right.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/opinion/hugh-hefner.html
I don't feel any ill will towards the guy, but the things about his life that were public, and he was known for? There is nothing there worth celebrating.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/30/opinion/hugh-hefner.html
I don't feel any ill will towards the guy, but the things about his life that were public, and he was known for? There is nothing there worth celebrating.
Aggrad08 said:
1 Kings 11:1 Now king Solomon loved many foreign women, besides the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; 2 of the nations concerning which the Lord said unto the children of Israel: 'Ye shall not go among them, neither shall they come among you; for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods'; Solomon did cleave unto these in love. 3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives turned away his heart. 4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods; and his heart was not whole with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.
The only part of this that wasn't condoned was the ethnicity of some of the women and the worship of the other gods.
So, out of the story of Solomon, your take away is that God "permitted" him to have hundreds of wives, but he was a bad boy for marrying idol worshipers? Nothing about God putting eternity into the Heart of man, or the emptiness of carnal pleasure, power, wealth and accomplishment?
Give ecclsiasties another read. It's pretty good.
Ecclesiastes is the best book of the bible by far. I'm well aware of the lessons trying to be taught in it and in the synoptic story of solomon. And that scholars strongly consider it to not have been written by Solomon.
But the bare bones facts are correct as stated. Polygamy was sanctioned.The rule was against women of another ethnicity because they would lead men to other gods and there was a requirement that all the wives be taken care of and bedded (not an issue for David but Solomon would be having a hell of a time).
But the bare bones facts are correct as stated. Polygamy was sanctioned.The rule was against women of another ethnicity because they would lead men to other gods and there was a requirement that all the wives be taken care of and bedded (not an issue for David but Solomon would be having a hell of a time).
Aggrad08 said:
Ecclesiastes is the best book of the bible by far. I'm well aware of the lessons trying to be taught in it and in the synoptic story of solomon. And that scholars strongly consider it to not have been written by Solomon.
But the bare bones facts are correct as stated. Polygamy was sanctioned.The rule was against women of another ethnicity because they would lead men to other gods and there was a requirement that all the wives be taken care of and bedded (not an issue for David but Solomon would be having a hell of a time).
Polygamy never, ever worked out well in the OT. I view the patriarchs as flawed men that suffered mistakes common to the time. Multiple wives was one of those common mistakes.
Thanks for posting that link. Spot on, and from the NYT no less.
GeorgePlimpton said:"Christians" like you are the best...aggiesuite said:
he is dead. a life not so well lived. my opinion only, but reality may be setting in for him right about now. "
Jesus would have said the same. The religious leaders of his day crucified him because his words offended them.
Youve been warned. Repent or face judgment. Not my words.
garc said:GeorgePlimpton said:"Christians" like you are the best...aggiesuite said:
he is dead. a life not so well lived. my opinion only, but reality may be setting in for him right about now. "
Jesus would have said the same. The religious leaders of his day crucified him because his words offended them.
Youve been warned. Repent or face judgment. Not my words.
So much love and mercy...
A gun to the head is the fastest way to a true conversion of the heart.
Dr. Watson said:garc said:GeorgePlimpton said:"Christians" like you are the best...aggiesuite said:
he is dead. a life not so well lived. my opinion only, but reality may be setting in for him right about now. "
Jesus would have said the same. The religious leaders of his day crucified him because his words offended them.
Youve been warned. Repent or face judgment. Not my words.
So much love and mercy...
Every breath you take without repenting and accepting Christ is the mercy of God in your life.
Your mocking in this thread will be judged unless you repent.
I hope you wake up one day and I see you in heaven.
garc said:Dr. Watson said:garc said:GeorgePlimpton said:"Christians" like you are the best...aggiesuite said:
he is dead. a life not so well lived. my opinion only, but reality may be setting in for him right about now. "
Jesus would have said the same. The religious leaders of his day crucified him because his words offended them.
Youve been warned. Repent or face judgment. Not my words.
So much love and mercy...
Every breath you take without repenting and accepting Christ is the mercy of God in your life.
Your mocking in this thread will be judged unless you repent.
I hope you wake up one day and I see you in heaven.
God the gangster. My favorite. "I'll make you an offer you can't refuse."
Dr. Watson said:garc said:Dr. Watson said:garc said:GeorgePlimpton said:"Christians" like you are the best...aggiesuite said:
he is dead. a life not so well lived. my opinion only, but reality may be setting in for him right about now. "
Jesus would have said the same. The religious leaders of his day crucified him because his words offended them.
Youve been warned. Repent or face judgment. Not my words.
So much love and mercy...
Every breath you take without repenting and accepting Christ is the mercy of God in your life.
Your mocking in this thread will be judged unless you repent.
I hope you wake up one day and I see you in heaven.
God the gangster. My favorite. "I'll make you an offer you can't refuse."
Why would one expect anything else from the being who created it all? That's not logical.
Good luck Watson. Hopefully the scales will be removed from your eyes.
And it is llogical for an all powerful being who needs nothing to create a race of beings to do as he pleases upon threat of eternal torture?
kurt vonnegut said:
And it is llogical for an all powerful being who needs nothing to create a race of beings to do as he pleases upon threat of eternal torture?
Eternal punishment is logical.
not even a little bit. What logical purpose is fulfilled by eternal punishment? What is the purpose of punishment? If you can answer that question you will see that eternal punishment is without any logical merit at all.
You might want to ask that question of the families of the Las Vegas victims.
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Aggrad08 said:
not even a little bit. What logical purpose is fulfilled by eternal punishment? What is the purpose of punishment? If you can answer that question you will see that eternal punishment is without any logical merit at all.
Its quite logical. Anything less would be illogical. How can I explain something to a person who rejects logic that should not need to be explained?
garc said:Aggrad08 said:
not even a little bit. What logical purpose is fulfilled by eternal punishment? What is the purpose of punishment? If you can answer that question you will see that eternal punishment is without any logical merit at all.
Its quite logical. Anything less would be illogical. How can I explain something to a person who rejects logic that should not need to be explained?
That's an assumption on your part.
dermdoc said:
You might want to ask that question of the families of the Las Vegas victims.
Even then, we are talking about eternal, agonizing torment. Torment literally without end. No matter what happens on Earth, it's temporal. It ends. There is a finality. The idea that any action in a temporal reality is worth unending agonizing punishment is hard to imagine. To say that nonviolent, decent people who did not harm their fellow man deserve such punishment because they didn't believe in God or Jesus means you have to toss out any idea of a just God in favor of an emotional creature with raw power.
An unfounded assumption with no backing. An argument with no support. I'm not surprised. The sensibleness of hell is anything but obvious, even Christians who believe are often quick to admit that as it's a frequent stumbling block for believers and often finds itself as a key source of doubt prior to apostasy.
Why? Let's say we put them in front of the soul of their attacker. Or you, assuming you lost a family member in such a way. What good comes of torturing that person for all eternity.dermdoc said:
You might want to ask that question of the families of the Las Vegas victims.
It's to say the totality of existence is better because that person is being eternally tortured because _____.
Fill in the blank. What good is being done?