Prevalence of Homosexuality in men is stable throughout time..

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since many carry the genes.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-04-prevalence-homosexuality-men-stable-genes.html

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Around half of all heterosexual men and women potentially carry so-called homosexuality genes that are passed on from one generation to the next. This has helped homosexuality to be present among humans throughout history and in all cultures, even though homosexual men normally do not have many descendants who can directly inherit their genes. This idea is reported by Giorgi Chaladze of the Ilia State University in Georgia, and published in Springer's journal Archives of Sexual Behavior. Chaladze used a computational model that, among others, includes aspects of heredity and the tendency of homosexual men to come from larger families.
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According to previous research, sexual orientation is influenced to a degree by genetic factors and is therefore heritable. Chaladze says this poses a problem from an evolutionary perspective, because homosexual men tend not to have many offspring to whom they can provide their genetic material. In fact, they have on average five times fewer children than their heterosexual counterparts.
Chaladze used an individual-based genetic model to explain the stable, yet persistent, occurrence of homosexuality within larger populations. He took into account findings from recent studies that show that homosexual men tend to come from larger families. These suggest that the genes responsible for homosexuality in men increase fecundity (the actual number of children someone has) among their female family members, who also carry the genes. Other reports also suggest that many heterosexual men are carriers of the genes that could predispose someone to homosexuality.
Based on Chaladze's calculations, male homosexuality is maintained in a population at low and stable frequencies if half of the men and roughly more than half of the women carry genes that predispose men to homosexuality.
"The trend of female family members of homosexual men to have more offspring can help explain the persistence of homosexuality, if we also consider that those males who have such genes are not always homosexuals," says Chaladze.
The possibility that many heterosexual men are carriers can also explain why estimates of the number of men who have reported any same-sex sexual behavior and same-sex sexual attraction are much higher than estimates of those who self-identify as homosexual or bisexual. According to Chaladze, non-homosexual male carriers might sometimes manifest interest in homosexual behavior without having a homosexual identity.
The possibility that a large percentage of heterosexual people are carriers of genetic material predisposing to homosexuality has implications for genomic studies. Researchers should therefore consider including participants who do not have homosexual relatives in such studies.
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Around half of all heterosexual men and women potentially carry so-called homosexuality genes that are passed on from one generation to the next.
What an unscientific statement.
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It's a study that assumes there is a gay gene as far as I can tell. Still found it interesting.
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Within the next decade, this homosexuality is hereditary thing will have very good evidence for or against it.

I anticipate that at least 50% of the countries population will have their genomes sequenced in the next two decades. I would not be surprised if it happens even sooner.

With that many people sequenced, it will be very easy to tell if there are common genotypes between most gay men. We have some hints at it now, but not enough data to be conclusive.

GATTACA is coming, sooner than you think.
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It would only be easy if sexuality were determined by one gene. If instead it were determined by dozens, especially if that's coupled with non-genetic factors, it becomes nearly impossible.

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Interesting article. There are several angles of research on this. I think at this point it is beyond obvious that this isn't simply a choice. None of us chose to be straight. There has historically been huge negative baggage with being gay. It seems unlikely it is a single gene but could be certain combinations of genes or epigenetics. The real argument has already been won. People don't just wake up and choose to be gay one day.
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The Bible makes no mention that homosexuals aren't created, only that engaging in homosexual behavior is a sin.
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The Bible makes no mention that homosexuals aren't created, only that engaging in homosexual behavior is a sin.
Well that makes perfect sense. So glad we have "god's breath" book (allegedly) to keep us in the know. No matter how illogical it may sound.
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Is that a reference to an amino acid sequence???? I never realized that!


Wow. Did you know we landed on the moon?
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The Bible makes no mention that homosexuals aren't created, only that engaging in homosexual behavior is a sin.
Well that makes perfect sense. So glad we have "god's breath" book (allegedly) to keep us in the know. No matter how illogical it may sound.


Is actually quite consistent and logical. Each of us has our own sin struggles and they aren't the same for each individual.

What God asks is to deny the temptation of that sin - which He has given us the power to do so (see 1 Cor. 10:13) - and turn towards Him.

There is nothing inherently different about the sin of homosexual behavior relative to other sins. The acceptance of this particular sin is just an obsession of our current culture.
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Amazing Moves
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Ok, thanks.


So what do others think about the gay gene? How close are we to finding it? Is it more likely a combination of gene sequences that cause homosexuality? What say you?
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No idea, but it sure seems like there has to be some kind of genetic component considering it just won't go away no matter how hard people have tried to make it.
funkymonkey
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Would be nice if we went after divorced people who aren't genetically predisposed to being pieces of **** rather than gays for acting on an attraction God gave them when he made them in his image.
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Would be nice if we went after divorced people who aren't genetically predisposed to being pieces of **** rather than gays for acting on an attraction God gave them when he made them in his image.


Can we treat gay divorced couples worse? That's the only way I'll sign on.
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Would be nice if we went after divorced people who aren't genetically predisposed to being pieces of **** rather than gays for acting on an attraction God gave them when he made them in his image.


Can we treat gay divorced couples worse? That's the only way I'll sign on.



You pretend like you're joking but it's obvious to all that you really want this
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The Bible makes no mention that homosexuals aren't created, only that engaging in homosexual behavior is a sin.
Well that makes perfect sense. So glad we have "god's breath" book (allegedly) to keep us in the know. No matter how illogical it may sound.


Is actually quite consistent and logical. Each of us has our own sin struggles and they aren't the same for each individual.

What God asks is to deny the temptation of that sin - which He has given us the power to do so (see 1 Cor. 10:13) - and turn towards Him.

There is nothing inherently different about the sin of homosexual behavior relative to other sins. The acceptance of this particular sin is just an obsession of our current culture.


They aren't allowed by your God to love whom they are truly called to love. That seems far more twisted than any of your other sins.
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Would be nice if we went after divorced people who aren't genetically predisposed to being pieces of **** rather than gays for acting on an attraction God gave them when he made them in his image.


Can we treat gay divorced couples worse? That's the only way I'll sign on.



You pretend like you're joking but it's obvious to all that you really want this


No its not
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The Bible makes no mention that homosexuals aren't created, only that engaging in homosexual behavior is a sin.
Well that makes perfect sense. So glad we have "god's breath" book (allegedly) to keep us in the know. No matter how illogical it may sound.


Is actually quite consistent and logical. Each of us has our own sin struggles and they aren't the same for each individual.

What God asks is to deny the temptation of that sin - which He has given us the power to do so (see 1 Cor. 10:13) - and turn towards Him.

There is nothing inherently different about the sin of homosexual behavior relative to other sins. The acceptance of this particular sin is just an obsession of our current culture.


They aren't allowed by your God to love whom they are truly called to love. That seems far more twisted than any of your other sins.


Wait a minute, is marriage just a contract? Or an expression of love? You can't truly love someone without some sort of contract? That's probably pretty offensive to all the non marrieds who think they love their partner. You should apologize
SapperAg
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I wasn't talking about marriage alone. But homosexual love acted on and expressed.
funkymonkey
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I wasn't talking about marriage alone. But homosexual love acted on and expressed.


This was obvious to anybody not purposefully being obtuse.
BustUpAChiffarobe
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I wasn't talking about marriage alone. But homosexual love acted on and expressed.


Then explain what your comment regarding not allowing homosexuals to love each other means.
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I wasn't talking about marriage alone. But homosexual love acted on and expressed.


This was obvious to anybody not purposefully being obtuse.


POTD
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I wasn't talking about marriage alone. But homosexual love acted on and expressed.


Then explain what your comment regarding not allowing homosexuals to love each other means.


God has made acting on homosexual attraction and love a sin. They are not allowed to love whom they want to love if they want to see heaven. It flies in the face of booboo's schtick about who this God supposedly is and what he wants.
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I wasn't talking about marriage alone. But homosexual love acted on and expressed.


Then explain what your comment regarding not allowing homosexuals to love each other means.


God has made acting on homosexual attraction and love a sin. They are not allowed to love whom they want to love if they want to see heaven. It flies in the face of booboo's schtick about who this God supposedly is and what he wants.


He's also made acting on heterosexual attraction and love a sin outside of the bounds of marriage, it's almost like God has a set of rules that aren't beholden to the whims of a capricious society.
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How capricious that straight people can marry and sinlessly act on the desires they were born with but not gays.

You know what your saying isnt equivalent but you push on anyway.
Beer Baron
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How capricious that straight people can marry and sinlessly act on the desires they were born with but not gays.

You know what your saying isnt equivalent but you push on anyway.
Good news though! Doesn't matter any more! We can marry dozens of times just like the straights now!
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How capricious that straight people can marry and sinlessly act on the desires they were born with but not gays.

You know what your saying isnt equivalent but you push on anyway.


They can't sinlessly act on the desires they were born with outside of the bounds of marriage. Within the bounds of marriage they can have sexual relations with one person sinlessly, their spouse. You can keep feigning outrage and using a plethora of emoticons, but your desire to rend your garments over the supposed unfair treatment of gays by God has out kicked it's logical relevance
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How capricious that straight people can marry and sinlessly act on the desires they were born with but not gays.

You know what your saying isnt equivalent but you push on anyway.
Good news though! Doesn't matter any more! We can marry dozens of times just like the straights now!


I feel safer in rest areas already
SapperAg
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I wasn't talking about marriage alone. But homosexual love acted on and expressed.


Then explain what your comment regarding not allowing homosexuals to love each other means.


God has made acting on homosexual attraction and love a sin. They are not allowed to love whom they want to love if they want to see heaven. It flies in the face of booboo's schtick about who this God supposedly is and what he wants.


He's also made acting on heterosexual attraction and love a sin outside of the bounds of marriage, it's almost like God has a set of rules that aren't beholden to the whims of a capricious society.


You are very good at missing the point and then pretending to say something worthwhile.
BustUpAChiffarobe
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Make your point then, and stop launching ad hominem attacks before I tell astroag
funkymonkey
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The capricious bounds of marriage that your God your God limits to men and women while creating people with homosexual attraction rendering it impossible for them to act on their God given attraction. Truly capricious.
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Didn't we prove Jesus was gay in the thread that was deleted? Graven images are a much bigger problem to God as evidenced by the second commandment.
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Make your point then, and stop launching ad hominem attacks before I tell astroag


The point has been made. There are only two possibilities why you missed it.
 
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