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God loved us so much he gave his son and he expects us not to sin, he really hates sin. The more you pray, the less you sin. I pray constantly and still sin but less and less.

I apologize for those who misunderstand my writings, I will pray for the stupid......but not the ones that know God and has rejected him, they are hell bound by choice. I find no pleasure in their final destination but it is a choice.

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Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

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Got news for you...You ain't going to Christian heaven.

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Everyone enjoys pitching this one out there but do you not read the last sentence? If you are practicing the very sin, or worse (plank vs. spec) then get your own house in order AND THEN you are sincerely capable of addressing your BROTHERS sin.

Contextual realities. 1) Clearly the entire teaching is speaking to those who are in Christ, so the whole "do not judge" ain't talking about the world, or those who denounce/refuse Christ.. Whoops-There goes that argument.

Also, belief in Christ is not equal salvation. The demons believed, even recognizing Christ as the Son of God. You believe? That's awesome. Now you are on the level with the devil, so to speak. What must you do to be saved?

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Also, belief in Christ is not equal salvation. The demons believed, even recognizing Christ as the Son of God. You believe? That's awesome. Now you are on the level with the devil, so to speak. What must you do to be saved?

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Excellent quote. I needed to read this today as I ponder and contemplate my faith journey. Thank you

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Everyone enjoys pitching this one out there but do you not read the last sentence? If you are practicing the very sin, or worse (plank vs. spec) then get your own house in order AND THEN you are sincerely capable of addressing your BROTHERS sin.

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Are you serious? WinAgs needs to get HIS house in order before he starts pitching the fits that you are describing.

He admits that he sins. So, once he stops, he can go ahead and start calling others names, etc. etc.

This is a much simpler concept than science so I am a little surprised you can't understand the point I am making.

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Everyone enjoys pitching this one out there but do you not read the last sentence? If you are practicing the very sin, or worse (plank vs. spec) then get your own house in order AND THEN you are sincerely capable of addressing your BROTHERS sin.

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Are you serious? WinAgs needs to get HIS house in order before he starts pitching the fits that you are describing.

He admits that he sins. So, once he stops, he can go ahead and start calling others names, etc. etc.

This is a much simpler concept than science so I am a little surprised you can't understand the point I am making.

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You've made it quite clear that you are not a Christian, or have any interest in speaking intellectually on the matter. Your "what kind of God would" diatribe expressed those realities quite well. Therefore, his remarks to you have zero contextual significance to "do not judge". I'm surprised you can't understand that point.

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When it comes to an unnatarual adapter.
Nothing would beat a chickenous raptor.
Creation is proved.
Evolution most lose
From an artificially foul velociraptor

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There once was a man named Keith
Whose prose he loved to bequeth
He never could find
A pun he did mind
For which we knocked out his teeth.

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Ah, but they were chicken teeth, thereby proving evolution.

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You've made it quite clear that you are not a Christian, or have any interest in speaking intellectually on the matter. Your "what kind of God would" diatribe expressed those realities quite well. Therefore, his remarks to you have zero contextual significance to "do not judge". I'm surprised you can't understand that point.

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Right, I'm the one with no interest speaking intellectually. Do you realize how ironic that is coming from you?

Here is the problem that you continue to goaltend: A self-proclaimed Christian judges those around him. His religious texts tells him not to do that. Its a very simple issue.

Along comes another self-proclaimed Christian (you) to back him up and say it is ok to judge non-Christians because they don't share the same faith as you.

How strange is it that I can understand the message of your religious text better than you can?

Maybe you prefer 1 Corinthians 5:12

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For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

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No matter which way you try to twist words, how WinAgs is acting is not according to your religious texts. I compare it to the book series "Left Behind". You and WinAgs would be two of the Christians that thought you did everything right, but are still stuck on Earth after all the other Christians got sucked up to Heaven.

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When it comes to an unnatarual adapter.
Nothing would beat a chickenous raptor.
Creation is proved.
Evolution most lose
From an artificially foul velociraptor

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There once was a man named Keith
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Ah, but they were chicken teeth, thereby proving evolution.

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Touche.

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I have similar thoughts as you but I can think of a few people that I would like to believe will end up in hell.

Nobody that disagreed with me on Texags though.

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I'm not sure I can think of a single person I would deem worthy of truly eternal torture.

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Go read up a little bit on the Islamic State and what they are doing, right now, in Mosul and Raqqah (specifically).

There are individuals in that group that deserve eternal torture.

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They deserve to die.

They don't deserve to be kept in a stasis of torture for eternity.

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I respect your opinion on the matter, but I disagree.

These people deserve to have terrible things happen to them for a long, long time. I will concede that eternity might be a little too long but I would ballpark it at maybe 50,000 years.

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God loved us so much he gave his son and he expects us not to sin, he really hates sin. The more you pray, the less you sin. I pray constantly and still sin but less and less.

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And you're fine with saying vile, unloving things to others?

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I apologize for those who misunderstand my writings, I will pray for the stupid......but not the ones that know God and has rejected him, they are hell bound by choice. I find no pleasure in their final destination but it is a choice.

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I believe you've said everyone here "knows" God. I assume you hold the same view towards society as a whole, at least in America. If everyone here "knows" God, but not everyone here places their trust in Him, then you don't pray for those people? This is not remotely Christian. I don't think we've misunderstood your writings. You are clear in what you are saying. What you are saying, however, is not remotely Christian. You could speak with the tongues of men and angels, you could prophesy and know all mysteries and all knowledge, you could have faith that moves mountains, but if you don't have love, you have nothing.

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Your comment about demons and Christ was absolutely spot on, such a thought provoking comment.

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I have difficulty separating your thoughts from the non believers, I suspect there is a reason for this.

blood moons and blood lust. What silly fun

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I have difficulty separating your thoughts from the non believers, I suspect there is a reason for this.

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Yes, I suspect there is a reason for it, although I'd say the issue is on your end. I'm simply saying stop saying vile and hateful things to others. Stop seemingly taking joy in the eternal torture you seem to wish for people. Our command is to love. We are to pray for others, even those who persecute us. We are never told to "not waste our time" praying for the lost, as you boast of doing. We are never told to be known for our venom and hate. We are told to love. Nonbelievers here know my faith. They know I believe that Christ is the son of God, that He came to earth, died and rose again. They know my faith is vitally important to my life. They also know, at least I hope they do, that I will also treat them with respect and love no matter how much we disagree.

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Something to be said for Hammurabi. I've just seen too many beheadings, child rape, mutilations, throwing homosexuals off of buildings, general torture, etc. to have much sympathy for these people. I will do everything I can to help them meet the deity they believe in.

Woody,

Sure, I understand. Just differing perspectives. Nothing wrong with that.

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Maybe you prefer 1 Corinthians 5:12

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For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

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No matter which way you try to twist words, how WinAgs is acting is not according to your religious texts. I compare it to the book series "Left Behind". You and WinAgs would be two of the Christians that thought you did everything right, but are still stuck on Earth after all the other Christians got sucked up to Heaven.

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Again, context is your challenge. Try reading the entire passage and see if you can figure it out. I think you can.

Yes, context is important:

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9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people
10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindlernot even to eat with such a one.
12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?
13 God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from among you."

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We aren't to judge nonbelievers, and for those within the church, there is a biblical method for church discipline.

Jesus and the apostles judged nonbelievers all the time. What are you talking about?

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Jesus and the apostles judged nonbelievers all the time. What are you talking about?

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Your issue seems to be with Paul and his letter to Corinth. It's crystal clear what he's saying.

He describes them as dark, unrighteous, lawless, unclean. What is judging to you?

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He describes them as dark, unrighteous, lawless, unclean. What is judging to you?

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Like I said, your issue seems to be with Paul and his letter to the church at Corinth. I'm just reiterating what is clearly stated in 1 Cor.

His idea of judging must be different than our idea of judging. Because he did the latter a lot. So did Jesus.

What is your point mqb? That scripture conflicts with itself?

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What is your point mqb? That scripture conflicts with itself?

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Paul and Jesus were schizophrenic. There's no other explanation.

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I clearly stated the ones that have committed the unforgivable sin are a lost cause. I also explained what made of that sin.

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We all feel so fortunate to have your great mind explain things to us. However, most of us here already understand that you could not possibly know what you're talking about. Any reasonably minded individual would have to admit that God and this sinning and forgiving business is 100% pure speculation.

If you are saying that your Christian God exists without any doubt, we all know you to be foolish and arrogant.

I think there's a gross misunderstanding of what biblical judgement is. I've seen many Christians say vile things towards nonbelievers, or whomever they are judging at the time, and justify it with out of context verses about Christ judging. Calling a sin a sin is not wrong. Being discerning is not wrong. But, as we see throughout this thread, and throughout the American church, the judgment falls more into the categories below:

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Superficial judgment is wrong. Passing judgment on someone based solely on appearances is sinful (John 7:24). It is foolish to jump to conclusions before investigating the facts (Proverbs 18:13). Simon the Pharisee passed judgment on a woman based on her appearance and reputation, but he could not see that the woman had been forgiven; Simon thus drew Jesus' rebuke for his unrighteous judgment (Luke 7:3650).

Hypocritical judgment is wrong. Jesus' command not to judge others in Matthew 7:1 is preceded by comparisons to hypocrites (Matthew 6:2, 5, 16) and followed by a warning against hypocrisy (Matthew 7:35). When we point out the sin of others while we ourselves commit the same sin, we condemn ourselves (Romans 2:1).

Harsh, unforgiving judgment is wrong. We are "always to be gentle toward everyone" (Titus 3:2). It is the merciful who will be shown mercy (Matthew 5:7), and, as Jesus warned, "In the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you" (Matthew 7:2).

Self-righteous judgment is wrong. We are called to humility, and "God opposes the proud" (James 4:6). The Pharisee in Jesus' parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector was confident in his own righteousness and from that proud position judged the publican; however, God sees the heart and refused to forgive the Pharisee's sin (Luke 18:914).

Untrue judgment is wrong. The Bible clearly forbids bearing false witness (Proverbs 19:5). "Slander no one" (Titus 3:2).

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Often, people try to hide behind a misunderstanding of biblical judgment as a justification to be an ass to people.

What is Biblical judgment? Calling someone dark, unrighteous, unclean, and lawless is not "calling a sin a sin or being discerning." Seems kind of like being an ass to me.

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What is Biblical judgment? Calling someone dark, unrighteous, unclean, and lawless is not "calling a sin a sin or being discerning." Seems kind of like being an ass to me.

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Casting demons into a bunch of poor innocent pigs seems kind of like being an ass to me too.

Maybe Jesus wasn't as good a guy as he's made out to be?

Retiredag said exactly what I was trying to get across.

It would do you well to learn a little more about your religion, oldarmy.