Do you believe in the Great Flood story?
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quote:So this is a good example of why you should follow the old testament sometimes per christians. Giants and a certain passage in Leviticus.
Genesis 6:4 Clearly states there was giants during those day. I am a Christian, I believe the Bible.
I find it odd that an Aggie Engineer is questioning one of the 7th Wonders of the World with such dribble.
One of my favorites
The comments for that video are gold. Here is one that Catholics should like.
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The main problem I had with this video is that they portrayed the antichrist as some average looking politician. We have to move away from
that misconception. It's deceiving. The antichrist system is the Roman
Catholic Church. The false prophet is the Pope!
So actual physics, the laws of which are supposedly written by God himself at the dawn of creation, contradicts the possibility of giants, and you're going to ignore God's work to go off of your personal interpretation of the Bible? Good idea.
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Some might enjoy this. The math of why giants could not exist.
The two tallest NBA players of all time were 7'7".
Gheorghe Muresan weighed 315 lbs.
Manute Bol weighed 200 lbs. That's only 24 lbs. more than I weigh, and I'm 5' 10".
The video uses an "average" person (5', 150 lbs for that era) as a basis for scaling to a giant's size of 15' and 3,200 lbs. and, when asserting that giants could not survive with these physical characteristics, uses this size as the sole determining footprint. Why does it omit scaling the proportions of someone like Manute Bol? If you're trying to disprove that something is a possibility, why do you use an "average" scenario rather than the most favorable scenario for this possibility? Assuming your research is objective and not flawed, and assuming you can identify and disprove the most favorable circumstance, you have then eliminated the universe of possibilities.
The great disparity in weight and frame between Bol and Mureson shows that in reality, everything is not equal or "average". If you were to double Bol's height, can you envision him weighing in at 3,200 lbs? I can't.
The video also mentions two men at 8'11" and 8' 7" tall and is quick to point out how their height and frame led to their inability to walk properly and function normally, but it fails to mention other men over 8 ft. tall who have lived more normal lives. And then we have Muresan and Bol who are 85%-89% the height of the two giants mentioned in the clip who can not only function, but who are athletic enough to play in the NBA.
Bol died at age 47 but his death doesn't appear to be related to his height, assuming longevity is a requirement in this study.
I don't know if "15 ft. giants" did or didn't exist in biblical times but I do know the person who made this video didn't do a very good job of hiding his bias and it makes me wonder what liberties he may have taken with other data and presumption. If the goal is absolute truth and absolute proof, bias has no place in the equation and harms the argument rather than helps it.
quote:It says lots of things that aren't true, that's kinda the point of the thread. It's hilarious you are still at this.
Genesis 6:4 Clearly states there was giants during those day. I am a Christian, I believe the Bible.
quote:I find it odd you find facts to be dribble while simultaneously getting humiliated on every single point. I question if you brain actually works. I'm not questioning the great pyramid, I'm questioning your capacity for complex thought. You think somehow people who didn't know about antarctica, north america, or south america, calculated the geographic center of the earth. You think the max lat and max long happen at the same location when they don't and they don't correspond to the geographic center.
I find it odd that an Aggie Engineer is questioning one of the 7th Wonders of the World with such dribble
Let's see, so far we've demonstrated the fact that giza is not at the longest lat, long, or at the geographic center of the earth. Not only is it not, but no one location satisfies this criteria. You've offered nothing to refute these obvious facts.
You then went so far as to claim a flood somehow (note the complete lack of scientific evidence or theory) ripped apart pangea and rapidly threw tectonic plates across the globe) and you say you have a strong understanding of science.
If you are going to call something dribble at least offer something besides refuted facts and youtube videos made by idiots.
quote:If we start with Bol the math is just as unfavorable. And the problems with hydrostatic pressure are present no matter the starting point when considering height.quote:
Some might enjoy this. The math of why giants could not exist.
The two tallest NBA players of all time were 7'7".
Gheorghe Muresan weighed 315 lbs.
Manute Bol weighed 200 lbs. That's only 24 lbs. more than I weigh, and I'm 5' 10".
The video uses an "average" person (5', 150 lbs for that era) as a basis for scaling to a giant's size of 15' and 3,200 lbs. and, when asserting that giants could not survive with these physical characteristics, uses this size as the sole determining footprint. Why does it omit scaling the proportions of someone like Manute Bol? If you're trying to disprove that something is a possibility, why do you use an "average" scenario rather than the most favorable scenario for this possibility? Assuming your research is objective and not flawed, and assuming you can identify and disprove the most favorable circumstance, you have then eliminated the universe of possibilities.
The great disparity in weight and frame between Bol and Mureson shows that in reality, everything is not equal or "average". If you were to double Bol's height, can you envision him weighing in at 3,200 lbs? I can't.
The video also mentions two men at 8'11" and 8' 7" tall and is quick to point out how their height and frame led to their inability to walk properly and function normally, but it fails to mention other men over 8 ft. tall who have lived more normal lives. And then we have Muresan and Bol who are 85%-89% the height of the two giants mentioned in the clip who can not only function, but who are athletic enough to play in the NBA.
Bol died at age 47 but his death doesn't appear to be related to his height, assuming longevity is a requirement in this study.
I don't know if "15 ft. giants" did or didn't exist in biblical times but I do know the person who made this video didn't do a very good job of hiding his bias and it makes me wonder what liberties he may have taken with other data and presumption. If the goal is absolute truth and absolute proof, bias has no place in the equation and harms the argument rather than helps it.
quote:This guy below measured 23.6 inches tall in 2012 at 19 years of age. If I take your statement literally and apply your video's metrics, I shouldn't exist. Most likely, there are circumstances that you, I and the video are omitting, or that we're unaware of. What could they be?
And the problems with hydrostatic pressure are present no matter the starting point when considering height.
quote:You don't understand hydrostatic pressure. It is a problem for large creatures not small.quote:This guy below measured 23.6 inches tall in 2012 at 19 years of age. If I take your statement literally and apply your video's metrics, I shouldn't exist. Most likely, there are circumstances that you, I and the video are omitting, or that we're unaware of. What could they be?
And the problems with hydrostatic pressure are present no matter the starting point when considering height.
The taller an animal becomes the greater the problem. Not the smaller.
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Should have used the words taller and shorter not larger and smaller.
Agdotcom,
he did you a favor starting with the size he did. Starting with Bol or any abnormalily large or small person doesn't matter. THE MATH STILL WORKS THE SAME.
http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/picks-from-the-past/12479/size-and-shape?page=2
There is a diminishing return when making things bigger without changing or adding features to account for the extra size. Again look at the math. the article above has a few examples of why big vs small does or does not work. Giant size humans just can't function
I recall the first time a similar question was asked when I was a kid on a science program. The Q was can giant ants like those in movies exist? The answer is no and the reason is similar to why giant humans can't exist. An Ant's exoskeleton when scaled up to say the size of car would weigh so much as to render the ant unable to move from the weight. That pesky volume growing as a function of a cube thing again.
Its also the reason if you look at the cross section of deer leg bones a slightly larger species will always have a proportionally larger not proportionally the same bone cross section than its smaller cousin to hold the weight. As the above article also points out the physics demands the trade off.
Think about why a 10 lb house cat can jump many more times its body height than a large cat like a tiger. The tiger can jump higher but proportionally the house cat wins.
he did you a favor starting with the size he did. Starting with Bol or any abnormalily large or small person doesn't matter. THE MATH STILL WORKS THE SAME.
http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/picks-from-the-past/12479/size-and-shape?page=2
There is a diminishing return when making things bigger without changing or adding features to account for the extra size. Again look at the math. the article above has a few examples of why big vs small does or does not work. Giant size humans just can't function
I recall the first time a similar question was asked when I was a kid on a science program. The Q was can giant ants like those in movies exist? The answer is no and the reason is similar to why giant humans can't exist. An Ant's exoskeleton when scaled up to say the size of car would weigh so much as to render the ant unable to move from the weight. That pesky volume growing as a function of a cube thing again.
Its also the reason if you look at the cross section of deer leg bones a slightly larger species will always have a proportionally larger not proportionally the same bone cross section than its smaller cousin to hold the weight. As the above article also points out the physics demands the trade off.
Think about why a 10 lb house cat can jump many more times its body height than a large cat like a tiger. The tiger can jump higher but proportionally the house cat wins.
This thread was a pleasant surprise when I returned to it! Didn't know winags was bsc.
One thing to add. If you've done any reading or learning about the pyramids, you'd know that the great pyramid didn't just come about in a vacuum all at once. The knowledge and experience needed to build it were accumulated over several hundred years and began with the building of stepped pyramids. This God pyramid stuff is just lunacy.
One thing to add. If you've done any reading or learning about the pyramids, you'd know that the great pyramid didn't just come about in a vacuum all at once. The knowledge and experience needed to build it were accumulated over several hundred years and began with the building of stepped pyramids. This God pyramid stuff is just lunacy.
quote:quote:good thing there was a multi generational giant commune nearby to help those wacky egyptians!
This thread was a pleasant surprise when I returned to it! Didn't know winags was bsc.
One thing to add. If you've done any reading or learning about the pyramids, you'd know that the great pyramid didn't just come about in a vacuum all at once. The knowledge and experience needed to build it were accumulated over several hundred years and began with the building of stepped pyramids. This God pyramid stuff is just lunacy.
Maybe there used to be an ogier stedding near the Nile delta.
http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Stedding
The ancients housed dinosaur and other extinct species bones and claimed them to be the bones of Heracles, Perseus, etc. They just didn't have the knowledge of biology we do today. No giants bones exist because there never were giant humans.
There is just as much evidence the pyramids were constructes by Giants as there is they were constructed by a slave population of millions of Jews who eventually escaped
Only problem is the work area cant hold that many people, Law of diminishing returns. No one has come up with a viable solution on how it was built and why no one was buried in it. Also, the other pyramids came later and of poor quality.
The giants will be back, by the way, in the end times, as it was in Noah days so will it be in the last days.
Who says the Bible is boring.
"Also, the other pyramids came later and of poor quality. "
Are you just pulling **** out of your ass? I mean seriously, it takes almost certain deceitful intent to post such mis-truth.
It's like looking at a 747 and claiming that it came before the dc-3.
Are you just pulling **** out of your ass? I mean seriously, it takes almost certain deceitful intent to post such mis-truth.
It's like looking at a 747 and claiming that it came before the dc-3.
quote:Um, there's been plenty of work done on how they were built. Archeologists have even found the workers' quarters.
Only problem is the work area cant hold that many people, Law of diminishing returns. No one has come up with a viable solution on how it was built and why no one was buried in it. Also, the other pyramids came later and of poor quality.
The giants will be back, by the way, in the end times, as it was in Noah days so will it be in the last days.
Who says the Bible is boring.
Workers' Village of 20,000 Found
This thread is still delivering!
Curious he still can't comment about being dead wrong on the geographic claims....
Ole Gene Scott used to have some great shows about the pyramid. It was all rubbish of course, but he did it in style.
Obviously, they had the labor but HOW is the question.
08~Your numbers are impressive, you should send your findings to the UN immediately.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Great Pyramid of Giza (also known as the Pyramid of Khufu or the Pyramid of Cheops) is the oldest and largest of the three pyramids in the Giza Necropolis bordering what is now El Giza, Egypt. It is the oldest of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, and the only one to remain largely intact.
08~Your numbers are impressive, you should send your findings to the UN immediately.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Great Pyramid of Giza (also known as the Pyramid of Khufu or the Pyramid of Cheops) is the oldest and largest of the three pyramids in the Giza Necropolis bordering what is now El Giza, Egypt. It is the oldest of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, and the only one to remain largely intact.
It's not the oldest pyramid, however.
This might be the best troll I've ever seen. Lord knows I wouldn't want win designing **** for me considering his complete lack of understanding about basic aspects of physics and blatant disregard for hypothesis testing and counter-evidence.
quote:But he's a scientist.
This might be the best troll I've ever seen. Lord knows I wouldn't want win designing **** for me considering his complete lack of understanding about basic aspects of physics and blatant disregard for hypothesis testing and counter-evidence.
Name calling is a defense mechanism and I said I would not get involved in that, you don't like my posts therefore I will quit.
quote:i suggest you check out the stepped pyramid, broken pyramid or the bent pyramid.
Obviously, they had the labor but HOW is the question.
08~Your numbers are impressive, you should send your findings to the UN immediately.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Great Pyramid of Giza (also known as the Pyramid of Khufu or the Pyramid of Cheops) is the oldest and largest of the three pyramids in the Giza Necropolis bordering what is now El Giza, Egypt. It is the oldest of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, and the only one to remain largely intact.
Don't take your ball and go home. I still want to know what happens (or what the bet is) if we're all still here in 7 years? And how much do you want to bet there is no treaty this summer???
Oh.....and address Sapper regarding the age of the pyramid. And real evidence would be appreciated, not a YouTube clip of a prediction artist.
Oh.....and address Sapper regarding the age of the pyramid. And real evidence would be appreciated, not a YouTube clip of a prediction artist.
really depressed that WinaGs holds the same degree I do...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
The 1988 one is extra interesting.
The 1988 one is extra interesting.
Lol that's your reponse?
Present my numbers to the UN? Wtf do you think that means? The whole world knows these numbers. It's readily available on Wikipedia for crying out loud.
How about you actually address how you hold these beliefs knowing your numbers are disproved beyond all doubt.
Present my numbers to the UN? Wtf do you think that means? The whole world knows these numbers. It's readily available on Wikipedia for crying out loud.
How about you actually address how you hold these beliefs knowing your numbers are disproved beyond all doubt.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events
The 1988 one is extra interesting.
That's a great list!
I gotta get on it:
The end of days will be on:
2/28/9324
It's simple... 28/2=14 14*666=9324
Done and done!
Is that some sort of new Bible Code?