quote:Oh, wow. I wonder who proponents of such ideas prove that the animals have homosexuality in mind when they form such bonds?!?!?
Birds in particular have monogamous homosexual relationships. Giraffes and dolphins also have long-term homosexual relationships. There are cases of male chimps refusing any companionship but that of a particular male.
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quote:Again, I would be amazed to hear about all these 'special Christian protections' that I received yet are denied to non-Christians.
You aren't born Christian. And yet you get special protections.
quote:See the link I provided above. 10% of male sheep mate with other males to the exclusion of females. This idea isn't objected to by anyone who bothers to educate themselves.quote:Oh, wow. I wonder who proponents of such ideas prove that the animals have homosexuality in mind when they form such bonds?!?!?
Birds in particular have monogamous homosexual relationships. Giraffes and dolphins also have long-term homosexual relationships. There are cases of male chimps refusing any companionship but that of a particular male.
quote:quote:Again, I would be amazed to hear about all these 'special Christian protections' that I received yet are denied to non-Christians.
You aren't born Christian. And yet you get special protections.
See hobby lobby. Or just continue to ignore all the arguments that make your position laughable. I respect your freedom to take laughable positions however.
Your position boils down to wanting protections for everybody but the gays. It's indefensible. You can want to get rid of these freedom limiting laws or more tediously want them extended but just wanting gays to be barred from them is a pathetic position while you sit happy in your protected class. You just want special treatment.
quote:Wood2006. How do you define a gay sheep? I have seen dogs mount legs and other male dogs, i wouldn't say they were gay--they're animals, they'll mount anything. i had a female dog hump my leg.
10% of male sheep mate with other males to the exclusion of females.
quote:Read the article.quote:Wood2006. How do you define a gay sheep? I have seen dogs mount legs and other male dogs, i wouldn't say they were gay--they're animals, they'll mount anything. i had a female dog hump my leg.
10% of male sheep mate with other males to the exclusion of females.
quote:No, it doesn't. Every man should have the freedom to marry any woman. Any woman should have the freedom to marry any man. There are limits. A man can't marry more than one woman. A woman cannot marry her car. A man cannot marry another man. A man cannot marry a child....You see, the freedom to marry is exactly the same for every person.
Your position boils down to wanting protections for everybody but the gays.
How can you be so dense as to conflate consenting adults with things that cannot consent like cars and animals and minors?
Exclusively screwing other same sex sheep seems like a good place to start. If that's not good enough then I don't know why I should define you as straight even if you've only had sex with the opposite sex.
Why don't you google for a minute. You're arguing against things nobody whose done a minute of research argues against.
It's written on your heart that you're wrong
Why don't you google for a minute. You're arguing against things nobody whose done a minute of research argues against.
It's written on your heart that you're wrong
quote:quote:No, it doesn't. Every man should have the freedom to marry any woman. Any woman should have the freedom to marry any man. There are limits. A man can't marry more than one woman. A woman cannot marry her car. A man cannot marry another man. A man cannot marry a child....You see, the freedom to marry is exactly the same for every person.
Your position boils down to wanting protections for everybody but the gays.
Consent matters. Also where gay marriage is legal you're still perfectly free to marry a man or a woman.
When interracial marriage laws existed everybody was equally free to marry the opposite sex and same race but your pathetic argument was shot down then too.
Just be happy you're still free to believe as you want and spawn your own children. If the rest of society wanted to use force like you do then you'd be spayed by now.
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Why don't you google for a minute. You're arguing against things nobody whose done a minute of research argues against.
The thing most troubling about these sorts is the lack of basic curiosity. A normal person would have googled the hell out of this if presented with information contrary to their assumptions or understanding. But his position was not arrived at by education and reason and cannot be corrected by education and reason unless he makes a deliberate choice to care about those things. Until then, being gay is a naughty thing you choose to do and should be highly looked down upon and shunned.
quote:I completely agree. If I were constantly being argued that evidence contrary to my preconception exists I would at least bother to see if it were true before stubbornly doubling down on my position.quote:
Why don't you google for a minute. You're arguing against things nobody whose done a minute of research argues against.
The thing most troubling about these sorts is the lack of basic curiosity. A normal person would have googled the hell out of this if presented with information contrary to their assumptions or understanding. But his position was not arrived at by education and reason and cannot be corrected by education and reason unless he makes a deliberate choice to care about those things. Until then, being gay is a naughty thing you choose to do and should be highly looked down upon and shunned.
Can somebody show how the fact that base animals, who lack reason and rationality and morality, occasionally screw homosexually, how this is some kind of stamp of approval on homosexual marriage? Or because of this it is reasonable that human homosexual behavior is natural? And why isn't cannibalism natural and good or eating excrement natural and good because animals do that too. And how, exactly, science had read the minds of animals that attempt to mate with animals of the same sex to prove that it is 'homosexuality' that they are after and not simply animals doing what animals do since they lack reason etc - such as when dogs try to hump your leg.
Something freedom something something not infringing on others freedom.
Let's talk about more pressing things like why Christians think they should be exempt from laws and receive special treatment because of a choice they make. How does the largest group of persecution pornographers in America get away with this nonsense.
Let's talk about more pressing things like why Christians think they should be exempt from laws and receive special treatment because of a choice they make. How does the largest group of persecution pornographers in America get away with this nonsense.
quote:No, but it does harm me if I lose my business because I refuse to celebrate people having "sex differently" than me.
It was founded on freedom. That's enough. It doesn't harm you that others have sex differently than do you. This is NOT a theocracy.
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Can somebody show how the fact that base animals, who lack reason and rationality and morality, occasionally screw homosexually, how this is some kind of stamp of approval on homosexual marriage?
No one is saying it approves or disapproves. We are simply denying the ignorant claim that homosexuality is a human invention. And by the way it's not simply occasional. 10% of sheep are exclusively gay. And furthermore, animal reason and rationality plays no role. If we are to call male and female animals having sex heterosexual we have no basis not to call male and male animals having sex homosexual.
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Or because of this it is reasonable that human homosexual behavior is natural?
There are many reasons to believe that human homosexual behavior is natural, including witnessing the same behavior in other species. There is a reason psychiatrist will no longer attempt to treat homosexuality.
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And why isn't cannibalism natural and good or eating excrement natural and good because animals do that too.
It's natural for some creatures, but not good for us since it does harm. Not all natural things are good, no one is arguing that. You however, are arguing it's not natural. However, it is commonly accepted that natural behaviors that don't do harm should not be discouraged.
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And how, exactly, science had read the minds of animals that attempt to mate with animals of the same sex to prove that it is 'homosexuality' that they are after and not simply animals doing what animals do since they lack reason etc - such as when dogs try to hump your leg.
How about you google for 5 damn minutes instead of continuing to embarrass yourself. Is learning that much of a chore for you? Many animals can readily identify the males and females of their species. It's not simple blind humping. Further, how do you explain animals that are exclusive in homosexual behavior, like sheep?
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No, but it does harm me if I lose my business because I refuse to celebrate people having "sex differently" than me.
That's not freedom of religion. That's basic public accommodation. If your religion said blacks were inferior or sinful you would be no more protected in not serving blacks. That's not a "celebration" it's simple service you are offering for money. Just like you would be expected to serve muslims, women, and hispanics.
quote:quote:No, but it does harm me if I lose my business because I refuse to celebrate people having "sex differently" than me.
It was founded on freedom. That's enough. It doesn't harm you that others have sex differently than do you. This is NOT a theocracy.
And I can't refuse to serve Catholics with ten kids or my business could be shut down. You don't care about that though because you want special treatment, not freedom.
You also don't care if a Christian church recognized gay marriage and wants to perform services. You'd happily step on their religious freedom.
quote:Classic.
How about you google for 5 damn minutes instead of continuing to embarrass yourself. Is learning that much of a chore for you?
quote:Accommodate does not mean celebrate.quote:No, but it does harm me if I lose my business because I refuse to celebrate people having "sex differently" than me.
It was founded on freedom. That's enough. It doesn't harm you that others have sex differently than do you. This is NOT a theocracy.
1) This kind of crap is absurd. People who claim to love liberty and then refuse to condemn this kind of religious oppression are either confused or vicious. It can't be defended.
2) This thread isn't about homosexuality. It's about a big brother government that is running roughshod over the religious liberty of some its citizens, all at the urging of supposed political "liberals." (Although, in reality, they do not deserve the name liberal.
3) People probably aren't born gay, but they likely don't have much choice about it, either. The talk about people being "gay" is confused, as if "gayness" is an identity. It's not. People have certain sexual appetites, appetites that are influenced by innumerable complex factors. It's not like people are neatly divided about between two types of people - gay and not gay.
2) This thread isn't about homosexuality. It's about a big brother government that is running roughshod over the religious liberty of some its citizens, all at the urging of supposed political "liberals." (Although, in reality, they do not deserve the name liberal.
3) People probably aren't born gay, but they likely don't have much choice about it, either. The talk about people being "gay" is confused, as if "gayness" is an identity. It's not. People have certain sexual appetites, appetites that are influenced by innumerable complex factors. It's not like people are neatly divided about between two types of people - gay and not gay.
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Quote:And why isn't cannibalism natural and good or eating excrement natural and good because animals do that too.
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It's natural for some creatures, but not good for us since it does harm. Not all natural things are good, no one is arguing that. You however, are arguing it's not natural. However, it is commonly accepted that natural behaviors that don't do harm should not be discouraged.
There is an obvious sense in which gay sex is not natural - it doesn't achieve the biological function of sex. As to the question of whether gay sex does harm, that's kind of the disagreement. I personally think that it DOES do harm. My heart truly goes out to those who find themselves sexually attracted to members of their own gender; I think it is a kind of brokenness. I don't mean that harshly - I am also broken, unable to be free of my anxiety and fear.
I could be wrong, of course. Maybe gay sex doesn't cause spiritual or emotional harm at all. (There are, of course, higher rates of prostrate cancer among those who practice anal sex, but that's not really the kind of harm I have in mind.)
Is homosexuality a religion?
quote:Religion is a choice, whereas homosexuality is not. That's the point.
Is homosexuality a religion?
quote:My friend, you're a bigot.
Something freedom something something not infringing on others freedom.
Let's talk about more pressing things like why Christians think they should be exempt from laws and receive special treatment because of a choice they make. How does the largest group of persecution pornographers in America get away with this nonsense.
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1) This kind of crap is absurd. People who claim to love liberty and then refuse to condemn this kind of religious oppression are either confused or vicious. It can't be defended.
2) This thread isn't about homosexuality. It's about a big brother government that is running roughshod over the religious liberty of some its citizens, all at the urging of supposed political "liberals." (Although, in reality, they do not deserve the name liberal.
3) People probably aren't born gay, but they likely don't have much choice about it, either. The talk about people being "gay" is confused, as if "gayness" is an identity. It's not. People have certain sexual appetites, appetites that are influenced by innumerable complex factors. It's not like people are neatly divided about between two types of people - gay and not gay.
1. All accommodation laws are terrible
2. It's about government running rough shod over liberty. For far longer than accommodation laws have protected gays it's prevented people from refusing service to the religious under threat of law.
3. Nothing indicates being gay our straight in anything but innate. Minorities tend to form identities around things that make them a minority especially when faced with huge amounts of societal discrimination.
quote:quote:My friend, you're a bigot.
Something freedom something something not infringing on others freedom.
Let's talk about more pressing things like why Christians think they should be exempt from laws and receive special treatment because of a choice they make. How does the largest group of persecution pornographers in America get away with this nonsense.
So are you but I'm not trying to force you to do anything.
Not to but in too much, but wouldn't twin studies indicate it isn't innate?
Ha...nope. No obsession with the gays for seamaster. None whatsoever.
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Not to but in too much, but wouldn't twin studies indicate it isn't innate?
No but even if they did then they would simultaneously indicate being straight is not innate
Question for the Christians who don't want gays to be a protected class: what if there were a proposal to only remove religion from the list of things covered by public accommodation laws? Race, gender, national origin - all those things are still covered, but it's now legal to discriminate against someone solely on the basis of their religion. Would you favor this? If you're against public accommodation laws, it seems to me you should be in favor of something that even incrementally reduces the number of ways people can use them to sue business owners.
Also, just read the article, and what we say won't happen is still not actually happening. The fact that these people are ministers doesn't mean they're not also running a business here, not a church.
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Also, just read the article, and what we say won't happen is still not actually happening. The fact that these people are ministers doesn't mean they're not also running a business here, not a church.
Beer, I can't actually believe that you are okay with this. It is evil.
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