Does JC ever get tired of being eaten? Does it cause him pain? How about the blood? Does he get lightheaded on the sabbath?

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what he did is the very DEFINITION of sacrilege.

Sacrilege -

1. the violation or profanation of anything sacred or held sacred.
2. an instance of this.
3. the stealing of anything consecrated to the service of God.

or: Desecration, profanation, misuse, or theft of something sacred.



Take some time to look up words that you dont know. - It'll make you look more intelligent.

It's symbolic. That cracker doesnt have any special attributes, no matter how many holy boxes you put it in. You're doing just what Jesus did at the last supper, using bread and wine to symbolize his body and blood.

Thinking it is anything more is just being deceived by a cheap parlor trick. What's funny is catholics never question why flesh still taste like saltine crackers.

kbaum, it may be sacrilege TO YOU, but the catholic church does many things that reading the bible tells us God would not agree with.

I mean the guy who bakes them wow, I mean he can conjure up an endless supply of flesh off a dead guy who's been dead for 2000 years. That's more impressive than anything JC himself did.

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You're doing just what Jesus did at the last supper, using bread and wine to symbolize his body and blood.

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Because Jesus said.."Take this effing cracker..."

You've already made clear what you really think of the Lord's Supper. Just an effing cracker.

I wonder if anybody has figured out that "body of Christ" if sampled before the sacrament begins, and during the saccrament, and what is left over, still tastes like a cracker and wine? From beginning to end.

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kbaum, it may be sacrilege TO YOU, but the catholic church does many things that reading the bible tells us God would not agree with.

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Can of worms anyone?

It is. It's just a piece of bread. Just like it was just a piece of bread when Jesus did it 2,000 years ago, and just like it will always be a simple piece of bread.

Mule, I believe catholics are just as much christians as protestants are, but they do many things that are simply not found in scripture.

In this case, it is a gross mistranslation of scripture. What's worse, communion wasnt viewed as the actual blood and body of christ by the church until the 9th century, over 800 years after it was first established.

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tanya, yet another open, inclusive post by you. congrats. i'm sure god would also appreciate you giving this advice. lets see...go to church and worship as you see fit...or don't go at all. yep. makes a lot of sense. nice job.

i wasn't asking the priest to change up the freakin' service. or asking the lady who hadn't hit a correct note in 50 years to sing other songs. i was quietly and simply trying to take the Body of Christ as i felt appropriate. maybe farmer joe's wife should have talked to me after church..or perhaps gave me a ring...did she really need to make a scene? seriously?

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This is a bull**** response being used to blow off what I said. Which, if you actually read it, said do the traditions of the church you are at or stay at your own.

I went to a Lutheran church this weekend and communion there wasn't what I was comfortable with. No one knelt, you had ushers giving it. THings that didn't sit right with me. But I didn't make an issue of it wasn't the way I wanted it to be.

You were trying to show that your religion's way of doing it was better and that is all there is to it. You could have said the prayer at the altar.

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What am I not answering?

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Dude. I asked how they decompose and your response was that typically all of them were consumed. That doesn't address the ones that aren't at all, which you did in the subsequent post.

What evidence is there that the substance leaves the cookie if it's not consumed?

By all appearances that looks like something that was tacked on after the fact since in actuality it was a cookie the entire time.

It is obvious you have no respect for the traditions of the Catholic Church. Is it really that hard to be respectful for an hour?

And I do love how you keep saying Farmer Joe's wife did this. I mean, that just exudes respect and thoughtfulness.

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It is obvious you have no respect for the traditions of the Catholic Church.

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I don't respect the uncover "tradition" at A&M because it isnt a tradition rooted in A&M, it is rooted in some loser who thought it up long after it had been established.

The same can be said for many of the "traditions" in the RCC. They were made up long after the fact to either lure people back into church, make more money, or set them apart from other donominations. Examples of this are purgatory, communion, the eternal birgin Mary, sacraments, etc.

I'm not Catholic. I just think you need to follow the traditions of the church you are taking communion at or you need to stay at your home church.

There was no need for you to do what you did. You were perfectly capable of taking the wafer there. You needed to show something else. So I don't have a problem with this person telling you not to leave the altar with the wafer. They take them there. This isn't your church where you may be allowed to that. It is theirs

While I usually don't agree with Tanya on matters of faith, here I agree. If you don't like or agree with the way a church takes communion, do it their way when you are there, or better yet, don't take it with them.

In a Catholic church, I am a guest. They don't want me to take communion with them. I don't see where Christ told me to take communion with them anyway, so I don't. Whatever theological point I would hope to make would be hypocritical if it meant I disturbed a place or time of worship to make it, and I doubt it gives Him much glory to do so. Even if I think their doctrine is goofy and renders the communion act totally ineffective.

As an Extraodinary Minister of the Holy Eucharist, I would very much love to explain to some of you what the Catholic Church believes and teaches about the Real Presence, etc. However, I'm sensing that your venomous, sacreligious remarks are nothing more than lame attempts to bait the Catholics into getting upset and arguing with you. Really, there's no point in answering your "questions" or refuting your "case".

I would like to say that I feel very sorry for you if you truly bear that much hatred towards the Catholic Church, or if it truly bothers y'all that much that people believe in the Eucharist. It just seems like such a waste for people to expend any energy at all hating people for practices that have no effect on those who choose not to believe them.

As to the original issue, I seriously doubt that this dude actually received death threats because he removed the Host from church. If he did; it probably has more to do with the fact that he was dealing with overzealous college kids, than it does with the fact that those kids were Catholic. Kinda like when an Aggie threatens an opposing team's fans for rushing Kyle Field. I think we can all agree that that doesn't mean that all Aggies would overreact like that in the same situation, right? (edit to clarify, just in case: I'm NOT saying that rushing Kyle Field = profaning the Body of Christ. I meant to demonstrate that just as an older, wiser Aggie probably wouldn't blow a fuse because a rival stepped on Kyle Field, an older, wiser Catholic would most likely handle the situation mentioned above in a more mature and discreet manner).

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Tanya.

I appreciate your level headedness on this.

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I was actually confronted during communcion at my ex gf's catholic church about 12 years ago because I took the bread and just held it as I was walking back to our pew. I was baptised in the Chruch of Christ and was going to take the bread after I said my own communion prayer.

This lady literally chased me down the aisle and started saying..."Are you catholic??!!!" "Well, are you?!!" I just left and told my gf her church is fawhked up. We broke up over it.

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Prayers and thanksgiving for that lady who did the right thing.

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Because Jesus said.."Take this effing cracker..."

You've already made clear what you really think of the Lord's Supper. Just an effing cracker.

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Rolando...spot on.

Christians in the 21st century being offended by the most basic Christian doctrine...

Lord have mercy on us.

"They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again."Ignatius of Antioch, (c. A.D. 110)

"The bread over which thanks have been given is the body of their Lord, and the cup His blood..." Irenaeus, Against Heresies, (c. A.D. 200).

What the ancients (who preceeded the canonization of the bible by 200 years) taught and believed is tossed in the gutter because we 21st century Americans are so much smarter than them!

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"For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink." - Jesus

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I'm not sure what great revelation Rondo made there

It is just a cracker that you consume out of rememberence for Christ's sacrifice.

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Christians in the 21st century being offended by the most basic Christian doctrine...

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No one is offended by it, it's just silly

Catholics take Jesus' speech literally, protestants take it figuratively. Jesus rarely spoke without using symbolism.

To them it isn't just a cracker and you are being a rude, spoiled little child with your arrogance over telling them it is just a cracker.

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I'm not sure what great revelation Rondo made there

It is just a cracker that you consume out of rememberence for Christ's sacrifice.

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No...it is apparently an "effing" cracker.

And show me where Jesus said "it is just a cracker that you consume out of rememberence." Seems to me that Jesus said, "THIS IS MY BODY."

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To them it isn't just a cracker

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To ants, it isnt just an annoying mound of dirt. Doesnt keep me from getting rid of it.

I don't know about everyone else

But we used the King James Bible and that one said

And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

It doesn't say this is an effin cracker which symbolizes something else, so take it in any way you want

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Catholics take Jesus' speech literally, protestants take it figuratively. Jesus rarely spoke without using symbolism.

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Yeah, and isn't it great that you get to pick and choose for yourself what is and is not symbolic. Maybe that whole resurrection bit was just symbolism too? Maybe that part about loving your neighbor was just symbolic? Maybe that part about "I will return" was just symbolic.

But, its funny that nobody noticed that the Eucharist was only symbolic until about 1600. Strange isn't it. The early christians that died at the hands of the ceaser's were confused....

actually the Lutheran church I went to this weekend said that. However, I didn't like the fact they didn't kneel and used little shot glasses instead of chalice and that ushers gave the communion. But I didn't make a show of pointing out how I thought they were doing it wrong

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Wow. This thread explains a lot. Appears some religions are just more accepting than others. I can name at least three churhes I've been to...Baptist, Methodist, and Church of Christ were they actually START off the service welcoming their visitors. Don't think this ever happens in a Catholic church. More so my old Church (CofC) would tell the visitors...do as you feel comfortable regarding communion. Suppose all churches are not that "churchlike."

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Yeah...so I'll go to your church and go out of my way to offend their worship publically and see how inviting they become.

Seamaster, this is basic 3rd grade sunday school stuff here...

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Then he took bread, and after giving thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And in the same way he took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

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Not only does he specifically tell us "Do this in rememberence of me" (my EXACT quote), but a freaking C.S. Lewis Novel isnt that blatantly symbolic.

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Yeah, and isn't it great that you get to pick and choose for yourself what is and is not symbolic.

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Are you not doing the exact same thing?

At least I look at things personally, you take it on a doctrine that was officially established 800 years after Christ left