There has not been an Aggie Bonfire burn since 1998.

While I do admire the determination of those individuals who continue to build imitation fires, I don't agree with their actions.

Gig'em & BTHO t.u.

TTT!

Would millions of Ags around the world stop recognizing Muster if the administration told them too? HELL NO.


"Guns don't kill people, I kill people."

I encourage anyone coming down for bonfire to go by Kyle Field Saturday to watch Lukfin Panthers and Javorskie Lane play -

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It's nauseating watching McNeal, and how much progress that [censored] has made and how good he's become. Whipping the ball around with accuracy, good decision making, punishing defenses with the run on occasion. Just night and day with Young and McNeal at this point. Laughable if you think otherwise.

-JackieMartling ~ Hornfans

I will be there--have not missed a Student Bonfire.

some of you guys like posting just one liners about bonfire being dead. its a great argument and all but why dont you say more? probably bc you are jsut trying to get under others skin.

it might be dead to you but not to the rest of us-

I don't have a problem with people doing it. I just have a problem with them calling it Bonfire and acting like it is the same thing. It isn't and it won't ever be unless it returns to campus.

That said, I've said my peace. Hope everybody enjoys watching it burn.

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MUSTER? MUSTER? YOU'RE COMPARING AGGIE BONFIRE TO AGGIE MUSTER? YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!

Muster is not comparable to Bonfire. In my heart, Aggie Muster is the most cherished of all Aggie traditions (along with Silver Taps). Muster unites Aggies in a way that Bonfire never could or would. Don't get me wrong, I loved Bonfire but they are totally different. Secondly, when was the last time we lost an Ag as a result of planning an Aggie Muster?

grego,

I think that if enough people keep supporting the efforts, that others will take notice. Keep up the good work guys. I think it is awesome what you are doing.

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It isn't and it won't ever be unless it returns to campus.

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It won't ever return to campus if we just forget about it. These students are showing that there is still a passion to continue Bonfire.

Grego - why does it have to be on campus to be Bonfire?

I'm just curious why you feel that way - not flaming you at all, though I admit I patently disagree.

If real names were required, there would be a list of people here I could never afford to hire for my company.

You're either an optimist or a "realist" because not even pessimists will admit they are what they are.
Bonfire= Burning Desire, not "sanctioned event"

The Iraq War was not sanctioned, either.
Somehow Saddam still got toppled.

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Secondly, when was the last time we lost an Ag as a result of planning an Aggie Muster?

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Would you be more suppportive if the Student Bonfire was planned and signed off on by a licensed civil engineer?

Sorry for the bandwagon comments. It's just that I used to feel the same way about Bonfire not being "real" unless it was on campus.

I was just flat wrong. All it took was seeing the Student Bonfire burn to realize it was just a much a "true" Bonfire as any I had ever seen....and I've seen some GOOD ones during the Cotton years.

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The Iraq War was not sanctioned, either.
Somehow Saddam still got toppled.

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Dude, I'm very Pro-Bonfire and Pro-Student-Bonfire, but I'm pretty sure that's not an analogy I'd run with.

Do you think the students that passed away during the building of the "last Aggie Bonfire" would want the future students to stop any such efforts to make new bonfires? You've got to be kidding me. Besides, if we hadn't done it for 20+ years without "university sanction" there would be no such thing as bonfire. Bonfire is an AGGIE tradition, not an administrative tradition.

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Do you think the students that passed away during the building of the "last Aggie Bonfire" would want the future students to stop any such efforts to make new bonfires?

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Some of the parents have said they do not agree with the student bonfire. I will take their word for it since their son/daughter is no longer here.

Once again I said students, not parents... totally different perspective there. It is obvious and understandable that some of the parents wouldn't agree.

Get a life. Sad state of affairs given the grief
so many incurred.
Bonfire ended for a reason, not a whim.

Get a life. Sad state of affairs given the grief
so many incurred.
Bonfire ended for a reason, not a whim.

I think it should stay off-campus, for the rest of its existence.

It seems to be working that way and the University is not responsible for the safety of the students, if something were to go wrong again.

I don't care to have it back on campus, as long as there is still a threat of someone being killed again. It's not worth it to the University, in my opinion.

With that said, I support the off-campus effort.

Why not let people just make their own choice without anger.

If you don't want to attend, then stay home.

If you are open minded--attend one and then decide how YOU feel about it.

If these students want to safely, under the direction of engineering advise, built a Bonfire, more power to them.

Not sanctioned by the University = not safe.

The fact that the University did not call it the Texas Aggie Bonfire before a certain date does not mean that they didn't sanction it if they allowed it on school property.....they did.

They don't anymore until lawsuits are resolved and safety issues are resolved. Until then, these "bonfires" will probably continue until someone gets killed or seriously wounded due to negligence, incompetance, etc....

As a parent with one who hopes to someday be a student at A&M, I hope he gets the same opportunity to work on and enjoy Bonfire like I did from 1977 - 1981, but with the necessary safety measures in place.


Until then................it's not Bonfire. Get over it.

My wife and I will be attending, just as we did last year.

Good job Ag's!

As someone who is just here for grad school and never saw the 'real' bonfire, i'm glad this is still going on as it allows us to be a part of an interim tradition unitl, hopefully, the original can be restored. While i'm sure that it in no way compares to the bonfire of old, enjoy it for what it is and the opportunity to be a part of it...and, most importantly, quit bi*ching!

See you when it burns, better yet see you at stack!

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Not sanctioned by the University = not safe.

The fact that the University did not call it the Texas Aggie Bonfire before a certain date does not mean that they didn't sanction it if they allowed it on school property.....they did.

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last time i checked, a University sanctioned bonfire killed 12 people and injured dozens of others

From what i have seen, SB is running a flawless operation, safety wise. I gladly send my money to them.

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So when it was sanctioned by the university it was safe? That obviously was not the case. Furthermore, the administration never took any steps to ensure it would be safe. Given proper training, oversight, etc., there is no reason why Bonfire cannot be conducted safely. Unfortunately, I don't think the university will ever entertain the idea of Bonfire returning to campus.

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Not sanctioned by the University = not safe.

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Wow...not sure where to start...

I'll start with "The design of Student Bonfire was made by a licensed civil engineer, who had to sign off on the project - staking his career on the design."

I'll end with "Everyone has an opinion, mine is no valid or heartfelt than yours, but at least be halfway educated on the topic."

Will an accident happen? God I hope not. We all hope not. However, the likelihood of an injry happening that is unrelated to design is just as likely on-campus as it is off-campus.

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The fact that the University did not call it the Texas Aggie Bonfire before a certain date does not mean that they didn't sanction it if they allowed it on school property.....they did.

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Again, my opinion is no more or less valid than yours, but try education. The first Bonfires were not at all University sanctioned - it was cadets raiding farmers/ranchers for stuff to burn, bringing it back to campus, and setting the stuff on fire. I've never seen any indication that A&M supported petty theft in the early 1900s.

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Didn't say it was safe when it was sanctioned by the University......I know it wasn't.

But I'll bet you that future bonfires sanctioned by the University will be MUCH safer than bonfires in the past...or than the gathering of students you speak of...(not bonfire).

Until then, ...it's not Bonfire. Get over it.

Honest question to you people that say the current version "is not Bonfire":

what about it keeps it from being Bonfire in your mind? Is it the fact that it is off campus? Is it the fact that it is not university sanctioned? Is it the fact that the band/yell leaders/team aren't there?

I'm just trying to understand what your specific objection is. I was unsure of my feelings for the first few off campus Bonfires since the accident, but have now decided that it is definitely a good thing for current students to keep doing. The only way we can ever hope to have it back like what it was is to keep it alive.

Bigsteve - why is it not Bonfire? You have yet to provide anything resembling a compelling argument.

Student Bonfire is overseen by a licensed PE and an OSHA safety consultant, so the safety line doesn't hold water. In their third year of cut, and second year using this design, they have had a whopping zero injuries.

Any major construction project would be proud (if not envious) of that track record.

to steve: yes, cause steve has looked at the plans and knows they are unsafe. you're more ignorant than a texas tech student.

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Let's try it again,

BigSteve continues to be an idiot. Bonfire was never about the administration. It was about the student's desire to beat the hell out of tu. Maybe LittleSteve doesn't share that same desire. But, either way littlestevie doesn't have to go, no one needs his sanction. Let him sit in his room and stew. As for me, if it wasn't a seven hour drive, I would be there with my wife, kids and a bunch of other Ags. Beat the hell out of tu!

Keegan - don't lie to the people!

Someone was bitten by ants two years ago and had an allergic reaction. Now outside of THAT, nothing.

Seriously, while touting SB's safety record (which is impeccable), let's PLEASE continue to knock on wood.

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