Canvas Waiting has a decent following here. I was at the show last month. They should be contacted.

I guess BO is getting too big time. It sounds like their new single is doing really well on radio.

I think Hank III is playing Thur and Sat, but has Fri open. He may want a day off but it is worth a shot!

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The issue at hand was *DRAW*, and if you think that if Widespread Panic was the headlining band that they wouldn't pack *ANY* venue in College Station then you don't have near the grasp on the CS demographic as you think you do.

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If you think WP would have some huge draw in CS, YOU don't have a grasp of the demographic. I was involved in booking them. We promoted the living hell out of that show and sales were AWFUL. There were some other issues there and the backout was mutual, but people in BCS largely had NO idea who they were. And you think a band like SouthFM is going to have a small draw in CS? You seriously don't know what you're talking about here.

BTW, I just did a quick survey. Asked 7 people in CS if they would go to an OAR concert. Not one of them have ever heard of them and these are music savvy people.

To the people that think BO should have been booked again - they're pretty pricey compared to what we normally pay for headliners. That and they're only doing one show before the album is released.

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Just checked hank iii's site. He is in TX on Marc 12-17, another site I looked at said 2-7, so that may not work. But it looks like he is not playing anywhere the week of NGMF, maybe he'd come to TX early and do a warm up show...

Hank III is actually coming through a week and a half after the festival. So it'd have to be a fly in.

Another tidbit on OAR - I just checked the venues they're playing coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if they're asking upwards of $50,000 or more - 3 or 4 times what we normally spend on the ENTIRE talent budget.

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That show did amazingly well.

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These guys have no draw, but I'd like to see them and they would go over real well in one of the smaller venues:

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If you think WP would have some huge draw in CS, YOU don't have a grasp of the demographic. I was involved in booking them. We promoted the living hell out of that show and sales were AWFUL. There were some other issues there and the backout was mutual, but people in BCS largely had NO idea who they were.

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Obviously didn't promote them that well. Did promoting the hell out of the consist of putting a flyer or two up at the Chicken? How much were tickets? What night was it on?

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BTW, I just did a quick survey. Asked 7 people in CS if they would go to an OAR concert. Not one of them have ever heard of them and these are music savvy people.

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Sorry, any "music savvy people" know who OAR is. Sounds like they are just typical radio listeners (ceratinly nothing wrong with that). Ask them if they've heard of SouthFM.... Burden Brothers... Jackopearce...

Anybody who has heard of Burden/Jack/etc... has heard of OAR.

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Another tidbit on OAR - I just checked the venues they're playing coming up. I wouldn't be surprised if they're asking upwards of $50,000 or more - 3 or 4 times what we normally spend on the ENTIRE talent budget.

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I dont think anyone ever questioned that OAR might be too expensive -- I only questioned someone saying that their venue wouldn't be packed... which is a joke. If Burden Brothers, Jackopearce and Bob Schneider pack their venues, OAR would have no problem.

I really resent that hayden. We had over 100 people BUSTING THEIR ASSES off trying to sell that WP show. I don't recall the night, but tickets were cheap as hell. In the 8 years I spent promoting shows down there it was the single WORST draw we EVER had. We put out more flyers than any other show we had ever done, in the order of thousands. Couple that with street marketing, radio, tv, AND print ads. We took a HUGE dive promoting that show and we damn well knew how to promote a show.

People in BCS do not know who WP is. People in BCS do not know who OAR is. There are those of us who have been DOING this for years and we know what we're talking about here. How many concerts have you booked in CS hayden?

And yes, people in BCS have heard of the Burden Brothers - they have absolutely packed their last two shows there. People there have heard of SouthFM. People have DEFINITELY heard of Jackopearce. It's probably their best city in the state.

"Sorry, any "music savvy people" know who OAR is. Sounds like they are just typical radio listeners (ceratinly nothing wrong with that). Ask them if they've heard of SouthFM.... Burden Brothers... Jackopearce..."

agreed...anyone even remotely "music saavy" knows who OAR is.

BO's foiled tour is about the strangest thing i've seen. galveston, arkansas, tulsa, omaha? wtf?

seems like bo would be a perfect fit.

and if you got WP and people knew, you'd have a decent drive in crowd from austin and houston and with the way a&m is now, there'd be people checking them out. jmo.

hayden, again, your head is in the right place but you have to understand that College Station people, for the most part, don't recognize anything that's not shoved down their throats. People know Flickerstick because of their Vh1 show. People know The Burden Brothers because of Todd Lewis. Jackopierce had a HUGE regional following and when we booked them, it was essentially a reunion show (even though they'll do one offs occasionally now).

Even right now, I wouldn't book Bob Schneider at a venue the size of Shadow Canyon right now, because I know he won't pack it. He recently played Fitzwilly's and drew somewhere around 200, which is huge for a Fitzwilly's show, but tiny for a venue like Shadow Canyon.

As a couple of people pointed out already, one band doesn't make this festival. I knew not everyone would want to go see Phil Prichett last year, so I booked Bob Schneider, The Burden Brothers, A+ Machines, and Skylar Blue on the same night. It's the sum of all the bands that make the $20 (which is still a great deal) worth it.

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BO's foiled tour is about the strangest thing i've seen. galveston, arkansas, tulsa, omaha? wtf?

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What's so strange about their schedule?

They havn't announced their Texas leg of the tour yet which sounds like it is coming sometime around the end of April.

Blue has a huge following in the midwest, so it makes sense to me for headlining spots.

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BO's foiled tour is about the strangest thing i've seen. galveston, arkansas, tulsa, omaha? wtf?

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Studies have shown there are a lot more depressed emo kids in the midwest

and a much higher percentage of "cutters" who are Blue's target demographic!

Hell, half of my stoner friends from DFW would drive down for a Widespread show

Guess it depends on where you market them at. While OAR wouldn't have a real big response from marketing done at the Chicken or Harry's, I guarantee you that if you marketed them towards the frats/sororities that you'd pack the place. OAR is essentially "frat rock".

I love Phil Pritchett, but he plays in College Station like every 3 weeks as it is, tough to get much of a draw for him at a rock festival.

One of you guys reccomended A+ Machines and I went to check them out, then saw them later in Austin when they opened for Sponge, and then it finally dawned on me while seeing Blue October in Houston why one of the "new" band members looked so familiar.

Don't get me wrong guys, I think you do and have done an excellent job. It was honestly one of the weekends I looked most forward to during my time down in CS. I just feel like the festival gained a lot of steam and now feels like its back at the drawing board and has a "first year" type of lineup.

And please tell Flickerstick that if they claim Dallas instead of Fort Worth again that I'll personally slap Brandon upside the head next time I see him.

I dont know what Third Floor Cantina holds, but the place was packed when Bob Schneider played there a couple of weeks ago. He is very popular among A&M students right now.

Yeah the "new" member of Blue October is actually one of the old bassists who rejoined the band. Blue October had a stretch where they went through bassists like Spinal Tap did with drummers. Matt's an amazing bassist and basically everyone that followed him was just trying to fill his shoes and couldn't do it.

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The East and West coast angst-ridden teens are far more serious about just all out suicide, which really limits the amount of return sales of future albums and/or word of mouth promotion.

The cutters in the midwest may have lost all power over their emotions, but they still have purchasing power!

ok Hayden, I did a little survey online of my friends that live in BCS on bands they've heard of. These are the results:

Jackopearce - 9
South FM - 5
Burden Brothers - 14
OAR - 1
Widespread Panic - 1 (same guy)

I'm sorry, but you're just really off base here. Is it that difficult to believe that people who actually BOOK shows in CS know a little bit about the market there? There's a reason you will virtually never see a band like OAR or WP come through and it's not because they're poorly promoted.

I was right in the thick of things for the Widespread show. Our marketing data didn't support doing it, but we instead went with an opinion like yours that there was a niche market for it. Result was us losing a boatload of money. Thank god we had done sold out shows the rest of the year to end up well in the black.

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basically everyone that followed him was just trying to fill his shoes and couldn't do it.

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Piper was sure easy on the eyes though.

And I agree with mhayden on OAR. You bring OAR to College Station and the Frat/Sorority crowd would come out in droves. There were a lot of A&M students in Austin last year when they came through Texas. I dont know what type of numbers you would need to sell a place out, but OAR could draw very well in College Station. And I dont think you can underestimate the people OAR would draw from Waco, DFW, Houston, and Austin. If OAR is coming to Texas and only doing one show, people would travel to College Station to see them. As expensive as they are though, it wouldnt be worth it for something like NGMF.

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ok Hayden, I did a little survey online of my friends that live in BCS on bands they've heard of. These are the results:

Jackopearce - 9
South FM - 5
Burden Brothers - 14
OAR - 1
Widespread Panic - 1 (same guy)

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Did these kids grow up in Hearne or something?

Like I mentioned earlier and another poster just mentioned -- you post a flyer for an OAR concert at every frat and sorority house in town and the place sells out. I don't think I ever went to a greek party that I didn't hear "Crazy Game of Poker". Marketing a "frat rock" band to a bunch of guys on Northgate isn't the right way to go about things.

You didn't answer the question I posed earlier hayden. How many shows have you booked or promoted in BCS?

17

Next question.

just say...you know that band that plays "the crazy poker song!!!!" then the lemmings will all rise up and cheer. You could even put it on the flyer. Similar to whoever promoted The Burden Brothers initially where the flyer read:

Burden Brothers Oct. 19th!!!
(Toadies)

Brilliant!

Which acts if you dont mind me asking?

My talk of Sponge actually got me thinking -- why not try and book them again? They kicked ass in Austin.

I like that Molly song by Sponge

Anyone care?

BTW, for everyone's info: ***** = Hero

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gigme is my *****.

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There...now your post doesn't make sense

There... Now it does.

yes it does

Wasnt the WP diaster in 96 or 97?...Long time ago, they are more mainstream now also more expensive I would assume.

I do remember being shocked that the show was cancelled due to ticket sales, after attending 3 sold out shows at the backyard 90 miles away 2 yrs before.