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It's still a human being making choices and finding the sound they want through trial and error. Not a machine that is using all the data they've gathered to produce something FOR a human being.

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I can make all the same choices using AI as someone going through samples. It's not like the prompt is just "make me a blues song". I can write the lyrics and have the AI use them, or make changes. I can even go find samples I like, or make them myself and give them to the AI to use. I can be very involved in the process or not involved at all. AI is just another tool.

Any humans that do yodeling thrash metal? AI can at least be a tool to try out a concept before your bandmates laugh at you for suggesting it

The age of experts is dead and gone. AI is a great equalizer. People hate that their moats have been washed away.

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Average Joe said:

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dave94 said:

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It's still a human being making choices and finding the sound they want through trial and error. Not a machine that is using all the data they've gathered to produce something FOR a human being.

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I can make all the same choices using AI as someone going through samples. It's not like the prompt is just "make me a blues song". I can write the lyrics and have the AI use them, or make changes. I can even go find samples I like, or make them myself and give them to the AI to use. I can be very involved in the process or not involved at all. AI is just another tool.

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But you can't tell a drum machine "make me a song that sounds like Linkin Park".

You can make a case for using it in certain ways and if that floats your boat then more power to you, but the argument that they aren't fundamentally different tools is silly.

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Not sure how that is considered any less 'music'.

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fig96 said:

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Average Joe said:

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dave94 said:

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It's still a human being making choices and finding the sound they want through trial and error. Not a machine that is using all the data they've gathered to produce something FOR a human being.

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I can make all the same choices using AI as someone going through samples. It's not like the prompt is just "make me a blues song". I can write the lyrics and have the AI use them, or make changes. I can even go find samples I like, or make them myself and give them to the AI to use. I can be very involved in the process or not involved at all. AI is just another tool.

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But you can't tell a drum machine "make me a song that sounds like Linkin Park".

You can make a case for using it in certain ways and if that floats your boat then more power to you, but the argument that they aren't fundamentally different tools is silly.

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Not sure how that is considered any less 'music'.

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I didn't say it wasn't. The discussion is whether using AI to create music is just like using other digital tools, it's obviously not and I think it's disingenuous to argue otherwise.

It's also not something I personally have any interest in listening to, as I don't think AI music has the same value and soul as something created by a skilled musician.

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Mr.Milkshake said:

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The age of experts is dead and gone. AI is a great equalizer. People hate that their moats have been washed away.

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All AI does is give uncreative people the idea that they are creative.

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That has been going on long before AI

"Bryan College Station come on raise up…"

I didn't mind when Randy Travis did an album a year or two ago that was AI. Mostly because he had been an established artist and it was pretty experimental. He was also up front with it being AI since he can not use his real voice anymore.

Most of the rest of them are ok for a goof if somone uses an artists voice on a different kind of song etc, but the rest of it I will pass on. Grew up on real rock and real country. There is nothing creative about AI "artists".

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Ryan the Temp said:

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As a composer, I am ardently opposed to the use of AI for music creation, The human element is what makes music interesting and nuanced.

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I understand your opposition, but respectfully, AI is no different than any other tool that makes work easier, including creative work. It can be used skillfully or poorly, like any musical instrument. The toothpaste is out of the tube; you can't force it back in, wish it away, or ignore it.

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The difference is that AI output is inherently based on theft of human created works. It cannot exist without stealing the work of others.

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Sorry, but this is just silly. Human artists have stolen from each other continuously in every creative endeavor, in every culture, and in every age going back thousands of years. If theft is your argument against AI, then be consistent and condemn all human artists as well.

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Human artist are condemned for stealing all the time. They literally get sued for it if proper credit isn't given.

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Yes, but I'm responding to nai06, who hasn't had that "aha" moment yet.

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It's still VERY different for an artist to be influenced by music they've heard vs. a computer engine recycling all the music that has ever been recorded.

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Except that's not how it works

But it is kinda the way it works, isn't it? The deal you've made with the devil is the sausage that comes out is going to be the definition of average. It won't be terrible and it won't be great. With human produced art it can be much worse, but the other end of the Bell curve will contain magic.

The purpose of music is to entertain and provide enjoyment. Why should I give a rats ass if it's created by an actual person or AI if it provides me what I'm seeking? As long as I like it and it's not directly passing off someone else's work, it's fine for me.

It'll probably get hollow after a while if you just listen to robot music, to put it in simplistic terms. Everything would be mid at best and have no staying power or connection, in my opinion.

Listened to the Revolver album yesterday. 60 year old album. Will you still be listening to any of your current AI music in 60 years, let alone 6? How about 60 days or 6 months?

People enjoy horrible music all the time. That is your right I guess..