I did the Leo pointing at the TV meme when the Cyclops eats a guy and it looks exactly like Goya's "Saturn Devouring His Son" painting
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njohn87 said:
I would also add that, at least in the case of Odysseus' crew, the colorblind casing at least made it easier to discern all of these bearded, sometimes helmeted soldiers from one another. His second-in-command is the Indian guy, got it. The ring belonged to the hefty Black guy who died in the cave. Oh no, the Asian guy fell for the sirens! This is in contrast to Dunkirk, where I remember really having a tough time keeping track of who was who. That's not to say that there should've been a multiracial group of soldiers in Dunkirk, but for this movie that's dealing in myth rather than historical fact, I don't see any any harm whatsoever.
Oh, I get it, all white people look the same to you!
htownag08 said:
I thought it was awesome. I know almost nothing about the story outside of watching the movie Troy a few times.
None of the casting really bothered me. I also tried to distance myself from the other thread a while back as it was getting to be a bit much. I thought for the most part everyone played their roles really well.
That said, I think the Elliot Page thing was hard to brace for because it was talked about so much. Even trying to avoid much about the movie going in, the discussion/jokes all over social media was hard to not to have top of mind. Didn't help the movie opens up how it does. I do think if you had no idea they were going to be in it, and then just showed up, they played the part well enough. The distraction from the outside was just too hard to overcome.
The scope and scale of the film was tremendous. Is it an all time great, no. Is it still awesome, yes.
I watched zero trailers or read anything prior to watching movie and it was a distraction for me. But I don't even know page went full trans either. Don't really care much either way but it was kind of like "ok…."
njohn87 said:
I did the Leo pointing at the TV meme when the Cyclops eats a guy and it looks exactly like Goya's "Saturn Devouring His Son" painting
Does Arepo own this painting?
Nolan's crowning achievement, dialogue mixing was able to be heard clearly!
But seriously wow. I saw the 8 minute prologue in 70mm for Project Hail Mary and I remember just being entranced. That Trojan sequence was riveting and already something I know is going to be burned into my brain. I didn't get 70mm tickets for this but the LieMAX was incredible as well
Let's get it out of the way. I actually didn't mind Elliot Page. Was a small child taken advantage of and never developed into a bigger man (obviously because it is Page). But he was loyal and died thinking he was alone. And Odysseus carries that guilt. Lupita played such a small role I honestly don't even care. LOVED the Hades scene.
Matt Damon was good, I can see him being the leader that people that follow into battle. But also one who is so self assured that his men would eventually turn against him. The scenes with Charlize were great.
Tom Holland - this worked. He is a man but he still has that childish petulance that caused him to butt heads with his mom. The scene where it dawns on him that this is his father brought a tear to my eye
Anne Hathaway, as someone on reddit said, she is worth the 10 year journey home. The way she verbally *****slapped Tom was incredible. The scene between her and Matt as the beggar was really emotional and another moment I got misty
John Lequizamo - best supporting actor nominee is locked, good chance at getting it.
I think the decision to cover most of the Odyssey in the present day with Calypso and through flashbacks was iniitally a little weird but really turned around and think it was the best way to present the story while also allowing the jumps back to Penelope, his son, and Ithaca.
Robert Pattinson played the perfect little *****.
The cyclops was horrifying. I watch a lot of horror and the pig scene might be up there
10 out of 10. I actually liked the modern language in this case. Almost liked a Bible translation that helps get the point across.
But seriously wow. I saw the 8 minute prologue in 70mm for Project Hail Mary and I remember just being entranced. That Trojan sequence was riveting and already something I know is going to be burned into my brain. I didn't get 70mm tickets for this but the LieMAX was incredible as well
Let's get it out of the way. I actually didn't mind Elliot Page. Was a small child taken advantage of and never developed into a bigger man (obviously because it is Page). But he was loyal and died thinking he was alone. And Odysseus carries that guilt. Lupita played such a small role I honestly don't even care. LOVED the Hades scene.
Matt Damon was good, I can see him being the leader that people that follow into battle. But also one who is so self assured that his men would eventually turn against him. The scenes with Charlize were great.
Tom Holland - this worked. He is a man but he still has that childish petulance that caused him to butt heads with his mom. The scene where it dawns on him that this is his father brought a tear to my eye
Anne Hathaway, as someone on reddit said, she is worth the 10 year journey home. The way she verbally *****slapped Tom was incredible. The scene between her and Matt as the beggar was really emotional and another moment I got misty
John Lequizamo - best supporting actor nominee is locked, good chance at getting it.
I think the decision to cover most of the Odyssey in the present day with Calypso and through flashbacks was iniitally a little weird but really turned around and think it was the best way to present the story while also allowing the jumps back to Penelope, his son, and Ithaca.
Robert Pattinson played the perfect little *****.
The cyclops was horrifying. I watch a lot of horror and the pig scene might be up there
10 out of 10. I actually liked the modern language in this case. Almost liked a Bible translation that helps get the point across.
Agreed, the cyclops was horrifying. All of the action felt so claustrophobic and intense, the sound design + IMAX screen where you can only keep so much of the picture in focus surely added to that. All the monsters felt so massive and powerful.
Loved it.
Loved it.
njohn87 said:
This is in contrast to Dunkirk, where I remember really having a tough time keeping track of who was who.
To secret to telling Brits apart is to look at their teeth.
tomtomdrumdrum said:
Agreed, the cyclops was horrifying. All of the action felt so claustrophobic and intense, the sound design + IMAX screen where you can only keep so much of the picture in focus surely added to that. All the monsters felt so massive and powerful.
Loved it.
The way that the nose was turned sideways so that the cyclops basically took a person's face and rotated it 70 degrees and then deleted the other eye. it was unsettling
The main thing I had to deal with while watching the long movie this afternoon in IMAX was "To pee or not to pee" and WHEN to pee. I made it through with only one pee break when they first got to Hades. Once in 3 hours is Great for my old man bladder.
It reminded me of when I sat through the Lord of the Rings movies in the theatre years ago. But, you cant hit "pause" in the movies and no captions either. Adult Diaper anyone?
I agree that the Cyclops part was top notch. Just amazing. Just glad Nolan decided NOT to show naked Cyclops and his tree trunk sized junk.
The giants just slaughtered the team. And the men couldn't do anything about it. Horrifying.
I didnt recognize the horse in the sand as the Trojan Horse until a few minutes into that scene. For some reason my image of the Trojan Horse was always a big horse like thing mounted on a platform with wheels. This was a very different take with Nolans version.
It reminded me of when I sat through the Lord of the Rings movies in the theatre years ago. But, you cant hit "pause" in the movies and no captions either. Adult Diaper anyone?
I agree that the Cyclops part was top notch. Just amazing. Just glad Nolan decided NOT to show naked Cyclops and his tree trunk sized junk.
The giants just slaughtered the team. And the men couldn't do anything about it. Horrifying.
I didnt recognize the horse in the sand as the Trojan Horse until a few minutes into that scene. For some reason my image of the Trojan Horse was always a big horse like thing mounted on a platform with wheels. This was a very different take with Nolans version.
Certainly in the middle to low end of my favorite Nolan movies.
And im not sure if its theater specific, but this move was way too ****ing loud in our IMAX. I mean it could have been dialed down 25% and still be ear splitting. I had a minor panic attack when the ship sank in the storm, during the extended scene of the battle of Troy, and the final scene.
And im not sure if its theater specific, but this move was way too ****ing loud in our IMAX. I mean it could have been dialed down 25% and still be ear splitting. I had a minor panic attack when the ship sank in the storm, during the extended scene of the battle of Troy, and the final scene.
NColoradoAG said:
Certainly in the middle to low end of my favorite Nolan movies.
And im not sure if its theater specific, but this move was way too ****ing loud in our IMAX. I mean it could have been dialed down 25% and still be ear splitting. I had a minor panic attack when the ship sank in the storm, during the extended scene of the battle of Troy, and the final scene.
Can you say a little bit more about this?
I heard one reviewer state, "this movie was loud. Like concert loud. Sometimes plugging my ears. Should have brought earplugs loud."
That is a little disconcerting as I have damaged my hearing from years of abuse, have a bad case of tinnitus, and now find myself leaving venues I'd rather not because, no matter my interest or how entertaining, I get so anxious about causing further damage that I can't enjoy myself.
I took my kids to see ZZ Top before Dusty Hill passed, and I had to leave. It was so awesome to see them in person, but I just couldn't enjoy it.
Anyway, I'd appreciate any thoughts y'all have about the loudness.
AGinHI said:NColoradoAG said:
Certainly in the middle to low end of my favorite Nolan movies.
And im not sure if its theater specific, but this move was way too ****ing loud in our IMAX. I mean it could have been dialed down 25% and still be ear splitting. I had a minor panic attack when the ship sank in the storm, during the extended scene of the battle of Troy, and the final scene.
Can you say a little bit more about this?
I heard one reviewer state, "this movie was loud. Like concert loud. Sometimes plugging my ears. Should have brought earplugs loud."
That is a little disconcerting as I have damaged my hearing from years of abuse, have a bad case of tinnitus, and now find myself leaving venues I'd rather not because, no matter my interest or how entertaining, I get so anxious about causing further damage that I can't enjoy myself.
I took my kids to see ZZ Top before Dusty Hill passed, and I had to leave. It was so awesome to see them in person, but I just couldn't enjoy it.
Anyway, I'd appreciate any thoughts y'all have about the loudness.
Like I said maybe its theater specific. But in your case, if you want to see in theaters, I would choose a "regular" theater.
Im a 43 year old with perfect hearing. I have a pretty great sound system at home and love cranking it up when I can, but this experience tonight was over the top for me.
Cyclops was by far my favorite part.
I had the same thought on the Trojan Horse, I'd imagine this version might be more historically accurate but I've always had the similar horse on wheels version in my head.
And agreed on the cyclops, the idea of making that a deformity was really smart and really worked (and totally makes sense).
And agreed on the cyclops, the idea of making that a deformity was really smart and really worked (and totally makes sense).
My wife thought it was great. I thought it was good but it wasn't my favorite Nolan movie. My theater's (AMC XL) sound was loud as hell, too (concert loud is a good way to put it) and it made some of the dialogue in louder parts indiscernible. I chalk that up to the theater we were in - seems like the IMAX mix is better from everyone else's reviews. Main cast was great.
Full disclosure: the guy next to me stepped on my boot coming in late, crinkled his candy bag for the first 45 minutes non stop, then kept shaking his ice so he could chew it loud, and then dropped his phone on the same boot and got out of his seat twice to look for it…so it was tough to stay fully engaged, so there's that.
ETA: definitely empty your bladder before this starts!
Full disclosure: the guy next to me stepped on my boot coming in late, crinkled his candy bag for the first 45 minutes non stop, then kept shaking his ice so he could chew it loud, and then dropped his phone on the same boot and got out of his seat twice to look for it…so it was tough to stay fully engaged, so there's that.
ETA: definitely empty your bladder before this starts!
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NColoradoAG said:AGinHI said:NColoradoAG said:
Certainly in the middle to low end of my favorite Nolan movies.
And im not sure if its theater specific, but this move was way too ****ing loud in our IMAX. I mean it could have been dialed down 25% and still be ear splitting. I had a minor panic attack when the ship sank in the storm, during the extended scene of the battle of Troy, and the final scene.
Can you say a little bit more about this?
I heard one reviewer state, "this movie was loud. Like concert loud. Sometimes plugging my ears. Should have brought earplugs loud."
That is a little disconcerting as I have damaged my hearing from years of abuse, have a bad case of tinnitus, and now find myself leaving venues I'd rather not because, no matter my interest or how entertaining, I get so anxious about causing further damage that I can't enjoy myself.
I took my kids to see ZZ Top before Dusty Hill passed, and I had to leave. It was so awesome to see them in person, but I just couldn't enjoy it.
Anyway, I'd appreciate any thoughts y'all have about the loudness.
Like I said maybe its theater specific. But in your case, if you want to see in theaters, I would choose a "regular" theater.
Im a 43 year old with perfect hearing. I have a pretty great sound system at home and love cranking it up when I can, but this experience tonight was over the top for me.
I saw it on a regular theater. For most of the time, the sound was fine, but they would occasionally do what I call, "Inception Booms." Nolan used the nose a lot in Inception. If you heard it, you would know exactly what I'm talking about. Anyways, those were really loud, but they would only last for two seconds.
Good to know.
It's the persistent loudness I avoid nowadays.
And so as not to clutter the thread with too many unrelated posts, I'll just add right here that this comment made me laugh
reminding me of the comedian Chad Daniels bit about watching a movie with his daughter
It's the persistent loudness I avoid nowadays.
And so as not to clutter the thread with too many unrelated posts, I'll just add right here that this comment made me laugh
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Full disclosure: the guy next to me stepped on my boot coming in late, crinkled his candy bag for the first 45 minutes non stop, then kept shaking his ice so he could chew it loud,
reminding me of the comedian Chad Daniels bit about watching a movie with his daughter
My wife found the Polyphemus and Circe scenes to be viscerally disturbing. It's funny because she's a nurse so not a squeamish person but she was clinging onto my arm saying "this is gross my skin is crawling ew ew ew"
I thought the Circe scene was a little too drawn out (the sound effects really did some work there too) but the Cyclops bit I thought was well done.
The movie overall was incredibly visceral. If you had no familiarity with the story you'd be having the same reactions as the ones going through it, which I loved.
Anne Hathaway was incredible (her "I WANT ODYSSEUS" line took my breath away), as was John Leguizamo ("Is it him?" was an awesome moment).
For the amount of story he had to get through, Nolan did it well. The final battle scene was incredible.
The movie overall was incredibly visceral. If you had no familiarity with the story you'd be having the same reactions as the ones going through it, which I loved.
Anne Hathaway was incredible (her "I WANT ODYSSEUS" line took my breath away), as was John Leguizamo ("Is it him?" was an awesome moment).
For the amount of story he had to get through, Nolan did it well. The final battle scene was incredible.
The dog also needs a supporting actor nod.
Anne Hathaway should absolutely win an Oscar for this. She's exceptional and ends up being the standout performance IMO.
Also, it's remarkable how Leguizamo just nails every role he plays. Just listening to him in interviews and reading on paper the types of characters he plays you'd never guess it but I'll be damned if he doesn't just keep crushing it. He has deceptively awesome range.
Also, it's remarkable how Leguizamo just nails every role he plays. Just listening to him in interviews and reading on paper the types of characters he plays you'd never guess it but I'll be damned if he doesn't just keep crushing it. He has deceptively awesome range.
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Now that I've slept on it I do think Charlize Theron as calypso felt a bit undercooked
Btw I would have stayed on that island because ******* that woman is fine as ****
Btw I would have stayed on that island because ******* that woman is fine as ****
The gate opening to just Agamemnon before the soldiers rushed in was freaking awesome also.
bthotugigem05 said:
The gate opening to just Agamemnon before the soldiers rushed in was freaking awesome also.
Yep. Cool to hear Damon say they had no idea the guys were on the other side of the gates.
I thought it was a good movie, but not anywhere near Nolan's best efforts. It wasn't what I would think of a movie in Nolan's wheelhouse. I see him more as a science fiction, WWII, or thriller director. But regardless, I enjoyed his movie.
The cyclops and giants were among the best parts for me. I also enjoyed the entire ending act. The way Nolan structured his story allowed him to work his classic time theme in, which worked for me once I recognized what he was doing.
Anne Hathaway, Tom Holland, and Robert Pattinson were fantastic. I won't try to spell the black actress' name, but she didn't resonate for me as the face that would launch this war. She wasn't bad in the role, but she didn't work for me in terms of how she was to motivate all those soldiers. Ellen Page, meh.
The sound. Wow. It was actually too loud, as I felt like every fiber of my being was being vibrated mercilessly for all but about 10 minutes of the film's runtime. Curiously, I didn't have any problem understanding dialogue as with so many of Nolan's previous movies, most particularly Tenet.
I will put The Odyssey mid-tier in Nolan's work.
The cyclops and giants were among the best parts for me. I also enjoyed the entire ending act. The way Nolan structured his story allowed him to work his classic time theme in, which worked for me once I recognized what he was doing.
Anne Hathaway, Tom Holland, and Robert Pattinson were fantastic. I won't try to spell the black actress' name, but she didn't resonate for me as the face that would launch this war. She wasn't bad in the role, but she didn't work for me in terms of how she was to motivate all those soldiers. Ellen Page, meh.
The sound. Wow. It was actually too loud, as I felt like every fiber of my being was being vibrated mercilessly for all but about 10 minutes of the film's runtime. Curiously, I didn't have any problem understanding dialogue as with so many of Nolan's previous movies, most particularly Tenet.
I will put The Odyssey mid-tier in Nolan's work.
Saw it twice in 70mm imax in Dallas. What an absolute epic movie. It flows so much better on the rewatch. All of the crews encounter were masterfully crafted. So much dread from the cyclops encounter. The uncomfortableness seeing the men turning into pigs. The men drowning in the Trojan horse. We don't get movies at this scale often.
Seeing Argos waive his tail one last time broke me.
I was not prepared for Nolan dealing with the concept of original sin, combined with odyssey admitting that they were the sea men everyone feared. Incredible all the way around.
Anne Hathaway is almost a lock for winning best supporting actress. I've been listening to the score non stop. Troy and another name to chasing the soon are so good.
Seeing Argos waive his tail one last time broke me.
I was not prepared for Nolan dealing with the concept of original sin, combined with odyssey admitting that they were the sea men everyone feared. Incredible all the way around.
Anne Hathaway is almost a lock for winning best supporting actress. I've been listening to the score non stop. Troy and another name to chasing the soon are so good.
I feel like apart from the Batman trilogy Nolan movies always have to be viewed multiple times to apppreciate what he's doing with them and decide if you like it or not.
Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
I thought it was a good movie, but not anywhere near Nolan's best efforts. It wasn't what I would think of a movie in Nolan's wheelhouse. I see him more as a science fiction, WWII, or thriller director. But regardless, I enjoyed his movie.
The cyclops and giants were among the best parts for me. I also enjoyed the entire ending act. The way Nolan structured his story allowed him to work his classic time theme in, which worked for me once I recognized what he was doing.
Anne Hathaway, Tom Holland, and Robert Pattinson were fantastic. I won't try to spell the black actress' name, but she didn't resonate for me as the face that would launch this war. She wasn't bad in the role, but she didn't work for me in terms of how she was to motivate all those soldiers. Ellen Page, meh.
The sound. Wow. It was actually too loud, as I felt like every fiber of my being was being vibrated mercilessly for all but about 10 minutes of the film's runtime. Curiously, I didn't have any problem understanding dialogue as with so many of Nolan's previous movies, most particularly Tenet.
I will put The Odyssey mid-tier in Nolan's work.
Christopher Nolan directly addresses that it wasn't her face that launched the war. It was a pretense for war on trade routes. Yeah a change from the source material but thematically fits his vision
Listening to the Midnight Boys and Charles made a really great point. The way that Nolan frames it, the Trojan horse is the nuclear bomb, the time travel of this movie. It unlocks new warfare that completely changes how the world operates. Odysseus is Oppenheimer.
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I'm not sure it's as dramatic as that. The Trojan horse is them putting victory over their culture/identity/faith. A true ends-justify-the-means action. And it works brilliantly…and also becomes the means of their downfall. It's not a weapon but a mindset and it basically throws off any boundaries that we're holding them back from immorality or together as a society any longer.
Which i guess is pretty dramatic, but in a different way.
Which i guess is pretty dramatic, but in a different way.
Just got out, really enjoyed it
interesting. I thought the cyclops and laestrygonians were terrible looking. I assumed for such a "visual masterpiece" they'd look and move better.
Question on the ending. Was Zendaya just a priestess during the fall of Troy and Athena took her shape to punish Odysseus during his journey?
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I think she is just the embodiment of the, "what you do to the stranger you could be doing to a god."
So it could be she was actually Athena, or just the form Athena took to haunt Odysseus, or even just Odysseus' own consciousness punishing himself. I feel like that is kind of left up to personal interpretation.
So it could be she was actually Athena, or just the form Athena took to haunt Odysseus, or even just Odysseus' own consciousness punishing himself. I feel like that is kind of left up to personal interpretation.
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