*** THE ODYSSEY *** (Christopher Nolan)

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Lathspell
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And this is why I really don't put much stock in critics. We'll see what the audience scores start to show. Granted, I expect Nolan's wading into the culture war to affect audience scores, as well. I think that can reduce audience scores by a full 10%, at minimum. The only reason I don't think it will tank the movie completely is because it's Christopher Nolan. If this wasn't Nolan, there's no world where I would go see it in the theater.

ETA: If the audience scores are above 90%, then I expect this to be freaking amazing. If they are 70-90%, then it's probably a great movie. 60-70% would make me think it's an artsy fartsy adaptation that many general audiences just don't appreciate but I may still like, because I do like some pretentious stuff, just depends. Anything under 60%, with the critic score in the high 90's, tells me it's a woke disaster.
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Hardcore Greg said:

I don't get the Zendaya hate (although her name is kinda annoying and she is a string bean and still kind of seems like a teenager as opposed to 29 y/o)....she is beautiful and has a beautiful smile to me...just not sure you ever see it in movies. Ever.




She is dazzling and talented and did all her own stunts in this scene. I had never heard of her before this. She's been OK in the Spiderman movies, not much to work with seemingly, but I liked her in the first Dune; haven't made it through the 2nd one yet.



amercer
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Well plenty of people on here seem determined to give it a bad review without seeing it, so I don't think crowd reviews will be worth anything at all.

Real people (as opposed to the terminally online) vote with their wallets. Controversy will move the box office some, but if it makes a lot of money it's pretty reasonable to say that most people liked it.
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They chose the wrong actress from Euphoria IMO.


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FL_Ag1998
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Hardcore Greg said:

I don't get the Zendaya hate (although her name is kinda annoying and she is a string bean and still kind of seems like a teenager as opposed to 29 y/o)....she is beautiful and has a beautiful smile to me...just not sure you ever see it in movies. Ever.





The "hate" I see is on her acting range, not her personally. Maybe its just her choice in roles, but she desperately needs to A) take a break so people don't get sick of her (we're on the verge of that now) and B)take at least 3 roles in a roll that are fun and light and show the side of her she shows in interviews and on red carpets. She's getting typecast right now
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Infection_Ag11 said:

double aught said:

Langley said:

double aught said:

Why do y'all give a s*** what I call this person?

It's weird as hell to me too, but I typically refer to people in a way that they prefer and don't lose any sleep over it.


I'm sure she cares

I doubt it. But you cared enough to correct me. That's what I was responding to.

She's a woman and always will be, I just think it's hilarious how twisted into knots some of you get about it. Lots of people believe all sorts of ridiculous nonsense that I don't lose a moment of sleep over.

I think it's mostly bc a large segment of society will label you a hyper fascist mega bigot if you refuse to "play pretend" and cater to the delusions of mentally ill people pretending to be the other sex (Check the DSM-5 if you don't believe it's categorized as a mental illness). So it might make people a little more "zesty" than they otherwise would have been.

Even though I would be respectful to Elliot Page or Caitlyn Jenner, when our encounters ended I would not go home and think of them as anything other than what they really are...and to most of the left, that makes you an evil bigot...it's stupid.

Also, I think finding out that liberal areas were openly endorsing and carrying out irreversible "puberty blockers" and even chopping the breasts off of confused young minors, rredpilled some. It is pretty fascinating that such a tiny fraction of the population has made such a huge splash in the culture war pool though.
FL_Ag1998
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Uh, the problem with your logic is that a person has to see it (i.e. spend money on it) before determining if they like it.

TLDR version: Spent money on it =/= liked it.
Lathspell
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Depends what you consider to be "a lot of money". It could get the benefit that Captain Marvel got. That movie was complete trash. But the posters on this board who get on their knees for hollywood always point to the box office numbers. The only reason Captain Marvel had those box office numbers was due to the benefit of the doubt the audiences were giving Marvel, at the time. It was sandwiched between two of the best MCU movies and the MCU was batting over 90%, at that time.

I can completely see Nolan's name drawing the initial box office numbers. However, I don't know how to gauge the actual dollars.
Hardcore Greg
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bonfarr said:

They chose the wrong actress from Euphoria IMO.




Sydney Sweeney would have made a super hot Helen of Troy. Way hotter than Homer probably ever imagined her.
Lathspell
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Except Sydney Sweeney is an even worse actress than Zendaya. I don't understand the obsession with her by so many. Yes... she's a hot blonde with big tits. There are plenty of hot, and hotter, actresses who are actually talented.
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amercer said:

Should all be in Homeric Greek with subtitles!

CN is no Mel Gibson when it comes to historical epics. No one comes even close imo. "Passion" entirely in Aramaic. Yucatec Maya for "Apocalypto". Pretty incredible.
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Lathspell said:

Except Sydney Sweeney is an even worse actress than Zendaya. I don't understand the obsession with her by so many. Yes... she's a hot blonde with big tits. There are plenty of hot, and hotter, actresses who are actually talented.

I think her being attacked by the radical left over something so insanely stupid and fabricated/dishonest put her on the map with millions of people. I had no clue who she was before.

Sorry, but this alone is scorching hot. Can almost hear the condescending vocal fry of the interviewer just looking at this image. Also, one of her hobbies is working on classic cars. HOT.



Also, that scene (from Euphoria I think?) that has become a "singing in the shower before attending a party with my girlfriend" meme online, where she is starting to have a breakdown and cry...that is actually amazing acting right there imo. Not sayng she's a good actress, I haven't seen much of her work, but she nails that scene. I don't even have a clue what the context of the scene is, but she exhudes deep pain and heartbreak in very realistic fashion.



bonfarr
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Lathspell said:

Except Sydney Sweeney is an even worse actress than Zendaya. I don't understand the obsession with her by so many. Yes... she's a hot blonde with big tits. There are plenty of hot, and hotter, actresses who are actually talented.


This certainly helps me look past any potential script or plot issues though. I will watch anything with Miss Sweeney in it.
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I get the complaints that Zendaya picks roles that tend to be a bit one note, but she's incredible on Euphoria. Girl can act.
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Lathspell said:

Depends what you consider to be "a lot of money". It could get the benefit that Captain Marvel got. That movie was complete trash. But the posters on this board who get on their knees for hollywood always point to the box office numbers. The only reason Captain Marvel had those box office numbers was due to the benefit of the doubt the audiences were giving Marvel, at the time. It was sandwiched between two of the best MCU movies and the MCU was batting over 90%, at that time.

I can completely see Nolan's name drawing the initial box office numbers. However, I don't know how to gauge the actual dollars.

Now do Black Panther.
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Cliff.Booth said:




Ah. The irony of claiming someone is illiterate because they watched a movie.
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Hardcore Greg said:

I don't get the Zendaya hate (although her name is kinda annoying and she is a string bean and still kind of seems like a teenager as opposed to 29 y/o)....she is beautiful and has a beautiful smile to me...just not sure you ever see it in movies. Ever.





She's a mid, nepo industry plant who can't act yet lands top roles in big movies constantly. Hope that helps.
Lathspell
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Oh, I appreciate how she enrages the lefitist morons in this country. I appreciate when she is unapologetically doing her own thing, despite the left's whining and crying.

I just think she's a terrible actress. If you want to look at hot blondes with bad acting, there are plenty of places on the interwebs where you can do this.

I find her acting to be cringe-worthy. Hell, I couldn't believe how bad she was in Anyone But You. Glen Powell has chemistry with EVERYONE. But I found every interaction between them to be awkward and lacking of any chemistry. You have to really suck as an actress to not have any semblance of chemistry with Glen Powell (also not a "great" actor, but at least seems to have chemistry with everyone I see him act with).
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What if Quinton Tarantino directed The Odyssey?
Hardcore Greg
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FL_Ag1998 said:

Hardcore Greg said:

I don't get the Zendaya hate (although her name is kinda annoying and she is a string bean and still kind of seems like a teenager as opposed to 29 y/o)....she is beautiful and has a beautiful smile to me...just not sure you ever see it in movies. Ever.





The "hate" I see is on her acting range, not her personally. Maybe its just her choice in roles, but she desperately needs to A) take a break so people don't get sick of her (we're on the verge of that now) and B)take at least 3 roles in a roll that are fun and light and show the side of her she shows in interviews and on red carpets. She's getting typecast right now

Better watch out, not sure she has a support group like Cliff Booth if things go stale or off the rails...


Cliff.Booth
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Maybe eventually she can take a few years to make some of them EYE-talian movies.
TyHolden
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Is this real?

I hope I did not offend anybody with this post. If I did, please come see me at my address in my profile so we can talk.
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FL_Ag1998 said:

Uh, the problem with your logic is that a person has to see it (i.e. spend money on it) before determining if they like it.

TLDR version: Spent money on it =/= liked it.


To make money it will have to draw an audience beyond the first weekend. People who don't spend all their time online (or at least not arguing about politics online all the time) won't go if their friends hated it.

Cliff.Booth
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Honestly, wtf. I almost feel bad for TC having to figure out how to write a review of this where he acknowledges that it is mid at best but that anyone who could tell that from the trailers is still a deranged and pathetic goofball.


From the 5-6 leaked scenes I've watched, I guess maybe just the sheer power and sound of some of the scenes in IMAX will overwhelm some viewers and kinda make them forget how bad other parts of it are? Back to my Napoleon comparison, some of the battle sequences were truly cool as hell and I loved every second of them, but it still didn't make up for just how **** JP's Napoleon portrayal was and how unnecessary half of the boring marital problem scenes were. When I get to watch this it'll be interesting to see what the **** could possibly make up for how bad what I've seen so far is, especially by Nolan's standard.
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TyHolden said:

Is this real?



"The Odyssey: Next generation - Coming to The WB this fall."

Good lord that was horrible...5% chance that is real. The only reason I think it MIGHT be real is bc Damon and Bernthal do not look happy to be doing this, but every actor who you would expect to look happy doing such a ridiculous thing do.
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fig96 said:

I get the complaints that Zendaya picks roles that tend to be a bit one note, but she's incredible on Euphoria. Girl can act.


I think that's what people are complaining about. Every role she takes is a brooding EMO like character. I think she should do a rom-com to expand her repertoire a bit so people see her in a different light.
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fig96
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The majority of people pay far less attention to her than you think.
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Cliff.Booth said:

Honestly, wtf. I almost feel bad for TC having to figure out how to write a review of this where he acknowledges that it is mid at best but that anyone who could tell that from the trailers is still a deranged and pathetic goofball.


From the 5-6 leaked scenes I've watched, I guess maybe just the sheer power and sound of some of the scenes in IMAX will overwhelm some viewers and kinda make them forget how bad other parts of it are? Back to my Napoleon comparison, some of the battle sequences were truly cool as hell and I loved every second of them, but it still didn't make up for just how **** JP's Napoleon portrayal was and how unnecessary half of the boring marital problem scenes were. When I get to watch this it'll be interesting to see what the **** could possibly make up for how bad what I've seen so far is, especially by Nolan's standard.

At the very least, this confirms that CN made a horrible decision in casting Elliot Page. Even if it's just a cameo type role to appease the Academy Award gods. Just an awful unforced error there.
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Cliff.Booth said:

Honestly, wtf. I almost feel bad for TC having to figure out how to write a review of this where he acknowledges that it is mid at best but that anyone who could tell that from the trailers is still a deranged and pathetic goofball.


From the 5-6 leaked scenes I've watched, I guess maybe just the sheer power and sound of some of the scenes in IMAX will overwhelm some viewers and kinda make them forget how bad other parts of it are? Back to my Napoleon comparison, some of the battle sequences were truly cool as hell and I loved every second of them, but it still didn't make up for just how **** JP's Napoleon portrayal was and how unnecessary half of the boring marital problem scenes were. When I get to watch this it'll be interesting to see what the **** could possibly make up for how bad what I've seen so far is, especially by Nolan's standard.


GD that's bad. Trailer suspicions confirmed.
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She is bad, but the other several scenes I've seen aren't of her and they're pretty bad as well. I haven't seen a leaked scene yet that has remotely helped me understand why this is getting rave reviews. Either people are scared of what they'll be called for panning it or the Marvelization of the industry has just lowered people's standards.
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Hmmmm...
TCTTS
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Cliff.Booth said:

Honestly, wtf. I almost feel bad for TC having to figure out how to write a review of this where he acknowledges that it is mid at best but that anyone who could tell that from the trailers is still a deranged and pathetic goofball.


From the 5-6 leaked scenes I've watched, I guess maybe just the sheer power and sound of some of the scenes in IMAX will overwhelm some viewers and kinda make them forget how bad other parts of it are? Back to my Napoleon comparison, some of the battle sequences were truly cool as hell and I loved every second of them, but it still didn't make up for just how **** JP's Napoleon portrayal was and how unnecessary half of the boring marital problem scenes were. When I get to watch this it'll be interesting to see what the **** could possibly make up for how bad what I've seen so far is, especially by Nolan's standard.


I'm getting really ****ing tired of you consistently lying about what I have/haven't said, painting me a certain way, etc. It's gone from "whatever" to straight up sociopathic, and we're going to have a real issue if you continue.

Never mind you going on one of the most psychotic runs I've ever seen on this board, spending embarrassing amounts of time - literally all day every day for weeks on end - attempting to relentlessly **** all over a movie you haven't yet seen for yourself. Again, at least I'm here in support of something I love, and this is a part of what I do for a living, etc.

To your dumbass point, though, I've said multiple times myself that the trailers were "mid," some of Nolan's worst, etc, and I've never once said that, if you think as much, or aren't looking forward to this movie, that you're deranged or pathetic. Rather, what I *do* find deranged and pathetic is your never-ending hate campaign. Which is, objectively, one of the weirdest, saddest, most baffling culture war crusades to ever infest this board. Again, it's not that you have the negative opinions you do - it's that you're THIS obsessed with shoving them down our throats every hour of every day, for weeks on end.
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the casting of page is just such a voluntary shot in the foot and a blatant FU shot across the bow to mentally stable and reasonable humans across the globe

the madness largely starts and ends there for me. The other potential blunders simply don't hold a candle to that one. Minor role or not, it's just blasphemous and disrespectful.
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Lathspell said:

Oh, I appreciate how she enrages the lefitist morons in this country. I appreciate when she is unapologetically doing her own thing, despite the left's whining and crying.

I just think she's a terrible actress. If you want to look at hot blondes with bad acting, there are plenty of places on the interwebs where you can do this.

I find her acting to be cringe-worthy. Hell, I couldn't believe how bad she was in Anyone But You. Glen Powell has chemistry with EVERYONE. But I found every interaction between them to be awkward and lacking of any chemistry. You have to really suck as an actress to not have any semblance of chemistry with Glen Powell (also not a "great" actor, but at least seems to have chemistry with everyone I see him act with).


That's funny to me because I can't stand Glen Powell in anything other than the silly football comedy show.
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RangerRick9211 said:

TCTTS said:

Literally the highest rated movie of Nolan's career, and one of the highest rated movies of the year.

I'm sure the haters will keep bringing the cope, saying these reviews are somehow all "shills," wait until "real" people see it, yada yada yada, but this has already blown up in their faces, and I'm not going to let them forget it.



Is this accurate?!

The Prestige at 76% is criminal. Rises and Dunkirk both better than Prestige and Interstellar! What!? And Rises = Inception. Make it make sense!

I honestly like The Prestige the best out of all. Truly boggles me how it's that low on RT. I never knew!

Yeah, I don't get this. I recall Dunkirk getting mixed reviews (at least on here) so seeing that at 92% is surprising. And I guess I'll have to rewatch Insomnia. Recall nothing about it and it's the least mentioned movie of Nolan's. I didn't even remember he made it.

Interstellar and Prestige being that low are mind boggling.
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