Texaggie7nine said:
I looked at The Green Knight thread and I don't see any crying over the race of the actors. Why is this Western myth such a insult to include Westerners of different "races".
DTP02 said:
I haven't read much of this thread just skimmed looking for trailer stuff, but as to casting issues (aside from the ridiculous casting of Page if that's real) I doubt you'd see nearly the negative reactions if it had been peak Halle Berry as Helen. Missing the absolutely critical piece of undeniably gorgeous and believable as more beautiful than Aphrodite is the biggest error. Her otherworldly beauty is supposed to be her defining characteristic so you can't miss on that.
Peter Piper said:
Where's Cliff? Where's TC?
Did the mods tell them to take it easy?
Brian Earl Spilner said:Peter Piper said:
Where's Cliff? Where's TC?
Did the mods tell them to take it easy?
They finally re-merged in The Narrator's concious.
agdoc2001 said:
In response to Maruder:
Fitzgerald's version is the one I read in high school initially. It's more readable than some other translations, but occasionally uses colloquial expressions which feel a bit out of place.
If you are looking for a more scholarly and accurate translation, read Lattimore.
If you prefer a *******ization of the work by a feminist activist, by all means, read WIlson.
Remake of the remake
— KJW (@Hawkesbay69) May 20, 2026
Helen of MF'ing Troy pic.twitter.com/O7riki3ujA
Brian Earl Spilner said:Peter Piper said:
Where's Cliff? Where's TC?
Did the mods tell them to take it easy?
They finally re-merged in The Narrator's concious.
Redstone said:
As with the Odyssey, we need to look to origin, and how much has been taken from BIPOC.
Clarence Williams, a Black musician, producer and performer testified in the Kane v. Fleischer trial that he'd been scat-singing since 1915. Throughout the 1920s, Black performers including Gertrude Saunders, Florence Mills, and Baby Esther Jones used the technique and mannerisms.
First look at Lupita Nyong’o in ‘THE ODYSSEY’
— Cinema Solace (@SolaceCinema) May 21, 2026
She plays Helen of Troy and Clytemnestra. pic.twitter.com/8BrKc9uimW
Lupita Nyong’o addresses the racist backlash to her casting as Helen of Troy in “The Odyssey,” after some critics called Christopher Nolan a “coward” for not casting a white actress:
— Variety (@Variety) May 21, 2026
“This is a mythological story,” Nyong’o said in an interview. "I’m very supportive of Chris’… pic.twitter.com/oYNavMtrRY
Quote:
Lupita Nyong'o addresses the racist backlash to her casting as Helen of Troy in "The Odyssey," after some critics called Christopher Nolan a "coward" for not casting a white actress:
"This is a mythological story," Nyong'o said in an interview. "I'm very supportive of Chris' intention with it and with the version of this story that he is telling. Our cast is representative of the world. I'm not spending my time thinking of a defense. The criticism will exist whether I engage with it or not."
Nyong'o said her interpretation of the character goes deeper than her beauty. "You can't perform beauty," she said. "I want to know who a character is. What is beyond beauty? What is beyond looks? That's the thing about doing such a well-known text, which has been studied and interpreted and derived from. The research could be endless. The good thing about working with a writer like Chris is that it's on the page. The investigation starts with the pages you're given. That's what I based it on."
so the cast is meant to feel modern on purpose as a part of the directors vision wow who wouldve thought you could put your own spin on the source material as a creative https://t.co/3bjQuQNpmc
— doctor idk (@bigmonkeong) May 21, 2026
The women of ‘THE ODYSSEY’ cover Elle Magazine.
— Film Updates (@FilmUpdates) May 21, 2026
📸: Norman Jean Roy pic.twitter.com/yA2s94NBPl
zendaya for elle magazine's the epic issue: women of the odyssey, photographed by norman jean roy pic.twitter.com/Lx3gBDO30a
— ❦ (@modelsdiaryy) May 21, 2026
Anne Hathaway as Water for ELLE (Summer 2026) - Women of The Odyssey
— Peekaboo (@PeekabooReview) May 21, 2026
Photographer: Norman Jean Roy
Stylist: Law Roach
Hair: Orlando Pita - Orlo Salon
Makeup: Fulvia Farolfi - Ma+ Group pic.twitter.com/aB0GKP7bZh
Lupita Nyong'o as Fire for ELLE (Summer 2026) - Women of The Odyssey
— Peekaboo (@PeekabooReview) May 21, 2026
Photographer: Norman Jean Roy
Stylist: Law Roach
Hair: Vernon François - @olaplex
Makeup: Nick Barose - @CHANEL pic.twitter.com/Kv4m4Y1EJU
Charlize Theron as Air for ELLE (Summer 2026) - Women of The Odyssey
— Peekaboo (@PeekabooReview) May 21, 2026
Photographer: Norman Jean Roy
Stylist: Law Roach
Hair: Coree Moreno - @oribe
Makeup: Ernesto Casillas - @Prada pic.twitter.com/Jkz6QatM33
Matt Damon recalls him & Tom Holland getting jealous of Christopher Nolan calling Zendaya's performance perfect on ‘THE ODYSSEY’ set.
— DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) May 21, 2026
“Tom [Holland] and I were obsessed with this. She got a ‘perfect’? I’ve never even gotten a ‘great.’ She got a ‘perfect’?
He and I bitched… pic.twitter.com/3QZBpW7rum
Quote:
Matt Damon recalls him & Tom Holland getting jealous of Christopher Nolan calling Zendaya's performance perfect on 'THE ODYSSEY' set.
"Tom [Holland] and I were obsessed with this. She got a 'perfect'? I've never even gotten a 'great.' She got a 'perfect'?
He and I *****ed about it for the entire rest of the film. 'Did you get anything today?' No, I got a 'good, moving on' 'Yeah, me too.'"
🚨OFFICIAL: THE ODYSSEY has a runtime of 2 hours and 52 minutes, as just revealed by IMAX. pic.twitter.com/RthD7JtB9o
— Nolan Archives (@NolanAnalyst) May 21, 2026
tk for tu juan said:
2 hours 52 minutes, maybe I will just watch it on the Vision Pro
TCTTS said:Lupita Nyong’o addresses the racist backlash to her casting as Helen of Troy in “The Odyssey,” after some critics called Christopher Nolan a “coward” for not casting a white actress:
— Variety (@Variety) May 21, 2026
“This is a mythological story,” Nyong’o said in an interview. "I’m very supportive of Chris’… pic.twitter.com/oYNavMtrRYQuote:
Lupita Nyong'o addresses the racist backlash to her casting as Helen of Troy in "The Odyssey," after some critics called Christopher Nolan a "coward" for not casting a white actress:
"This is a mythological story," Nyong'o said in an interview. "I'm very supportive of Chris' intention with it and with the version of this story that he is telling. Our cast is representative of the world. I'm not spending my time thinking of a defense. The criticism will exist whether I engage with it or not."
Nyong'o said her interpretation of the character goes deeper than her beauty. "You can't perform beauty," she said. "I want to know who a character is. What is beyond beauty? What is beyond looks? That's the thing about doing such a well-known text, which has been studied and interpreted and derived from. The research could be endless. The good thing about working with a writer like Chris is that it's on the page. The investigation starts with the pages you're given. That's what I based it on."so the cast is meant to feel modern on purpose as a part of the directors vision wow who wouldve thought you could put your own spin on the source material as a creative https://t.co/3bjQuQNpmc
— doctor idk (@bigmonkeong) May 21, 2026
bonfarr said:Redstone said:
As with the Odyssey, we need to look to origin, and how much has been taken from BIPOC.
Clarence Williams, a Black musician, producer and performer testified in the Kane v. Fleischer trial that he'd been scat-singing since 1915. Throughout the 1920s, Black performers including Gertrude Saunders, Florence Mills, and Baby Esther Jones used the technique and mannerisms.
Can't wait for an Elvis biopic starring Jamie Foxx.
FL_Ag1998 said:TCTTS said:Lupita Nyong’o addresses the racist backlash to her casting as Helen of Troy in “The Odyssey,” after some critics called Christopher Nolan a “coward” for not casting a white actress:
— Variety (@Variety) May 21, 2026
“This is a mythological story,” Nyong’o said in an interview. "I’m very supportive of Chris’… pic.twitter.com/oYNavMtrRYQuote:
Lupita Nyong'o addresses the racist backlash to her casting as Helen of Troy in "The Odyssey," after some critics called Christopher Nolan a "coward" for not casting a white actress:
"This is a mythological story," Nyong'o said in an interview. "I'm very supportive of Chris' intention with it and with the version of this story that he is telling. Our cast is representative of the world. I'm not spending my time thinking of a defense. The criticism will exist whether I engage with it or not."
Nyong'o said her interpretation of the character goes deeper than her beauty. "You can't perform beauty," she said. "I want to know who a character is. What is beyond beauty? What is beyond looks? That's the thing about doing such a well-known text, which has been studied and interpreted and derived from. The research could be endless. The good thing about working with a writer like Chris is that it's on the page. The investigation starts with the pages you're given. That's what I based it on."so the cast is meant to feel modern on purpose as a part of the directors vision wow who wouldve thought you could put your own spin on the source material as a creative https://t.co/3bjQuQNpmc
— doctor idk (@bigmonkeong) May 21, 2026
TC, the one exception I take with is that particular dumba** X post with the super sarcastic putdown of anyone who would dare prefer to see a classic retelling of the story rather than a modern take on it. Everyone knows that its possible to retell a classic story with a modern twist - hollywood literally does it all. the. time. Nolan choosing to do it here and now is just disappointing because The Odyssey is THE classic mythological adventure that we haven't truly seen on the big screen. Most of the criticism I've seen on YouTube relates to that aspect of Nolan's choices. It just seems like Nolan's choice to do a modern spin on it is turning off quite a few members of the potential audience.
TCTTS said:FL_Ag1998 said:TCTTS said:Lupita Nyong’o addresses the racist backlash to her casting as Helen of Troy in “The Odyssey,” after some critics called Christopher Nolan a “coward” for not casting a white actress:
— Variety (@Variety) May 21, 2026
“This is a mythological story,” Nyong’o said in an interview. "I’m very supportive of Chris’… pic.twitter.com/oYNavMtrRYQuote:
Lupita Nyong'o addresses the racist backlash to her casting as Helen of Troy in "The Odyssey," after some critics called Christopher Nolan a "coward" for not casting a white actress:
"This is a mythological story," Nyong'o said in an interview. "I'm very supportive of Chris' intention with it and with the version of this story that he is telling. Our cast is representative of the world. I'm not spending my time thinking of a defense. The criticism will exist whether I engage with it or not."
Nyong'o said her interpretation of the character goes deeper than her beauty. "You can't perform beauty," she said. "I want to know who a character is. What is beyond beauty? What is beyond looks? That's the thing about doing such a well-known text, which has been studied and interpreted and derived from. The research could be endless. The good thing about working with a writer like Chris is that it's on the page. The investigation starts with the pages you're given. That's what I based it on."so the cast is meant to feel modern on purpose as a part of the directors vision wow who wouldve thought you could put your own spin on the source material as a creative https://t.co/3bjQuQNpmc
— doctor idk (@bigmonkeong) May 21, 2026
TC, the one exception I take with is that particular dumba** X post with the super sarcastic putdown of anyone who would dare prefer to see a classic retelling of the story rather than a modern take on it. Everyone knows that its possible to retell a classic story with a modern twist - hollywood literally does it all. the. time. Nolan choosing to do it here and now is just disappointing because The Odyssey is THE classic mythological adventure that we haven't truly seen on the big screen. Most of the criticism I've seen on YouTube relates to that aspect of Nolan's choices. It just seems like Nolan's choice to do a modern spin on it is turning off quite a few members of the potential audience.
I hear you.
However...
- While "prefer[ing] to see a classic retelling of the story" is completely understandable, from what I've seen, that kind of rational expression hasn't been the most vocal one at all. Rather, it's been a DEMAND that it HAS to honor history perfectly, and because it doesn't Nolan is WOKE, etc. There's a differences between "I wish it would have been done this way" as opposed to "HELEN CAN'T BE BLACK!!! HOLLYWOOD AND THEIR DEI AGENDA ARRRGH!!!"
- While the marketing for Nolan's choices is turning some people off, yes, I don't think it's going to matter in the least box office-wise. This is still the most in-demand ticket of the year. And word is starting to leak that it's legit great. If so, it's going to be a juggernaut regardless of what certain opinions are two months out.
