Better Call Saul >>> Breaking Bad

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dreyOO
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4:59p, 12/21/24
Breaking Bad was so incredibly unbelievable. I was cool with him breaking and being an incredible chemist. Running into Jesse and all that. Sure...great start. And then it got ridiculous. Walt winning battles with the cartel and zero soldiers. Winning against Mike and Hank...this was just weak writing imo. Total bull***** Almost comical.

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A very flawed protagonist in Jimmy McGill, but absolutely entertaining in quirkiness and smarts. Way better character to root for. Much better supporting cast in his brother, Howard, Nacho, Kim, etc. Sure there are some stretches that are made-for-tv, but such a better series. I love the back stories around HHM, the tunnel building, Mike, Fring. Also, the dude that played Lalo should be cast in way more movies. That guy is very underutilized. Almost reminds me of Esai Morales and his subsequent late resurgence.
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5:09p, 12/21/24
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Walt "winning" typically only happened when he was protected by more powerful men, or when he got extremely lucky.

The only time I questioned the writing was when he got the drop on Mike. I don't know how that happened other than Mike being completely distracted by the events of that time.
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5:38p, 12/21/24
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I think the first 5 seasons of Better Call Saul is better than the first 4 seasons of Breaking Bad, but the last season of Breaking Bad is far superior to the last season of Better Call Saul. I know I may be in the minority, but I really didn't like the black and white episodes at the end. I just them incredibly boring.
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FL_Ag1998
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5:41p, 12/21/24
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Sorry, but no way.

Breaking Bad is one of the best, if not the best of all time.

Meanwhile Better Call Saul is boring as s***. Better Call Saul almost seems like a team of amateurs trying to imitate the tension of Breaking Bad, but all they really end up doing is just creating long boring a** scenes.
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5:53p, 12/21/24
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6:22p, 12/21/24
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I've said this many times. BCS is greatness
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 8:03p, 12/21/24
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Better Call Saul is boring as s***. Better Call Saul almost seems like a team of amateurs trying to imitate the tension of Breaking Bad, but all they really end up doing is just creating long boring a** scenes.


I often agree with you, but that's crazy pills.
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8:33p, 12/21/24
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okay - so you're just an idiot
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 8:36p, 12/21/24
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FL_Ag1998 said:
Sorry, but no way.

Breaking Bad is one of the best, if not the best of all time.

Meanwhile Better Call Saul is boring as s***. Better Call Saul almost seems like a team of amateurs trying to imitate the tension of Breaking Bad, but all they really end up doing is just creating long boring a** scenes.


I'll grant you the first three or so seasons were slow but 5, 6a, and 6b were some of the best television I've ever watched. On par with BB, IMO.
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8:41p, 12/21/24
maybe >> but >>> is ridiculous
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FL_Ag1998
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9:08p, 12/21/24
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Ok, maybe the last couple of seasons of BCS suddenly got great, but I couldn't get past the first 4-5 (I forget exactly where I stopped watching).

And to provide an example of what I'm talking about, I forget what season and what episode, but there was about a ten minute scene where Mike realized there was a tracking device in his gas tank cap so he waited up in the middle of the night to follow the bad guys back to their hideout (or something like that). I swear to god that scene shows every mile that they drove, every single turn, every single stop sign...it was ridiculous.
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9:11p, 12/21/24
BCS was about details, minutiae, nostalgia genius in how they filled in the BB back story, and the relationship between Kim and Jimmy that was so well done and makes you see Saul in a completely different light (almost sympathetic) when BB rolls around. Kim is far and away the best female character in either series and it's not remotely close.
BB was groundbreaking television, with intricate multi year plots. Incredible one offs like Face Off (when you grasp at the end what really happened it's almost breath taking), and the slow burn leading to, what for me, is the best episode of TV ever aired in Ozymandias.

I would give a slight edge to BB, even though it took some time to really find its footing it defined the universe, while the whole plot with Jimmy's brother was way overplayed for me in BCS and that was much of the early seasons, but there isn't a wrong answer,
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9:14p, 12/21/24
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Oh, Lord, yes, they spent waaaay too much time on Jimmy's brother.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 9:22p, 12/21/24
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FL_Ag1998 said:
Ok, maybe the last couple of seasons of BCS suddenly got great, but I couldn't get past the first 4-5 (I forget exactly where I stopped watching).

And to provide an example of what I'm talking about, I forget what season and what episode, but there was about a ten minute scene where Mike realized there was a tracking device in his gas tank cap so he waited up in the middle of the night to follow the bad guys back to their hideout (or something like that). I swear to god that scene shows every mile that they drove, every single turn, every single stop sign...it was ridiculous.
Not even close to being as ridiculous as Fly.
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 9:38p, 12/21/24
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Bruce Almighty said:
FL_Ag1998 said:
Ok, maybe the last couple of seasons of BCS suddenly got great, but I couldn't get past the first 4-5 (I forget exactly where I stopped watching).

And to provide an example of what I'm talking about, I forget what season and what episode, but there was about a ten minute scene where Mike realized there was a tracking device in his gas tank cap so he waited up in the middle of the night to follow the bad guys back to their hideout (or something like that). I swear to god that scene shows every mile that they drove, every single turn, every single stop sign...it was ridiculous.
Not even close to being as ridiculous as Fly.


Lol, true, but that was the whole point of that one Fly episode of BB. Whereas virtually every episode of BCS was, IMO, bogged down in minutia. As mentioned above, that seemed to be the point of the entire show. Obviously BCS was a well received show, it just didn't do it for me. Certainly won't call anyone an idiot for their opinion, lol.
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9:44p, 12/21/24
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Where this thread is headed.
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 9:56p, 12/21/24
Bruce Almighty said:
FL_Ag1998 said:
Ok, maybe the last couple of seasons of BCS suddenly got great, but I couldn't get past the first 4-5 (I forget exactly where I stopped watching).

And to provide an example of what I'm talking about, I forget what season and what episode, but there was about a ten minute scene where Mike realized there was a tracking device in his gas tank cap so he waited up in the middle of the night to follow the bad guys back to their hideout (or something like that). I swear to god that scene shows every mile that they drove, every single turn, every single stop sign...it was ridiculous.
Not even close to being as ridiculous as Fly.


It subverted my expectations though and that's the most important part of making a show or movie.
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In reply to BadMoonRisin • 10:32p, 12/21/24
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BadMoonRisin said:


Where this thread is headed.


Nice
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1:43a, 12/22/24
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We need a feature to downvote posts.
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4:17a, 12/22/24
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Loved both but BB is superior and the greatest drama of all time.

Now I will however accept that Frasier (Original ) > Cheers . Both great, but Frasier slightly better imo
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11:27a, 12/22/24
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I loved both. A lot.

I *may* rewatch BCS in its entirety someday. I will absolutely watch all of Breaking Bad again (for the 3rd, 4th, etc time) in the future.

To me that's the deciding factor.


I also disliked any episode that focused on Jimmy's brother, but looking at the series as a whole I don't mind it as much.
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In reply to toucan82 • 5:30p, 12/22/24
toucan82 said:
maybe >> but >>> is ridiculous

You got me
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 5:32p, 12/22/24
That was horrible. I found out later that was some highly praised deal also. WTF.
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12:28p, 12/23/24
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Thoroughly enjoyed BCS, but IMO Breaking Bad was in a whole different league. My favorite series of all time. Have watched it start to finish three times and am considering another run at it. Haven't gone back and rewatched BCS yet. Just one man's opinion...
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In reply to dreyOO • 12:32p, 12/23/24
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Winning against Mike and Hank...this was just weak writing imo. Total bull***** Almost comical.
Agree to disagree.
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12:47p, 12/23/24
I was so unimpressed with BB that I have zero desire to watch BCS
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1:20p, 12/23/24
Better call Saul lost me quickly. I just didn't think it did a good job of portraying rent lawyers (take any case that pays the rent) and also failed to portray big law well either. I know they were trying to find their groove in Season 1, but it just didn't groove with me.

I will go back and try to watch it again but right now I am in the middle of season 4 of Dexter (which is quite good) and also season 5 of Peaky Blinders (wish they stayed as gangsters instead of super businessmen, it was more interesting when they weren't messing with Capone).
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In reply to knoxtom • 1:23p, 12/23/24
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I will go back and try to watch it again but right now I am in the middle of season 4 of Dexter (which is quite good)
You should probably stop at the end of this season and consider the series done.
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2:28p, 12/24/24
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I loved both of these series but I may have to give the edge to BCS. I loved it. When he faced off with his brother in the court proceeding was awesome.
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In reply to FL_Ag1998 • 8:42a, 12/28/24
FL_Ag1998 said:
Bruce Almighty said:
FL_Ag1998 said:
Ok, maybe the last couple of seasons of BCS suddenly got great, but I couldn't get past the first 4-5 (I forget exactly where I stopped watching).

And to provide an example of what I'm talking about, I forget what season and what episode, but there was about a ten minute scene where Mike realized there was a tracking device in his gas tank cap so he waited up in the middle of the night to follow the bad guys back to their hideout (or something like that). I swear to god that scene shows every mile that they drove, every single turn, every single stop sign...it was ridiculous.
Not even close to being as ridiculous as Fly.


Lol, true, but that was the whole point of that one Fly episode of BB. Whereas virtually every episode of BCS was, IMO, bogged down in minutia. As mentioned above, that seemed to be the point of the entire show. Obviously BCS was a well received show, it just didn't do it for me. Certainly won't call anyone an idiot for their opinion, lol.
I'm right there with you.

I wasn't a huge fan of BCS for all the reasons that he has listed. I specifically got on this show late (the last season) so that I could binge all the episodes.

BCS was cool to see the back story of Breaking Bad be told, and how all these characters ended up where they were....but I thought the first two seasons of BCS were very slow and boring at times. I didn't care for the brother storyline at all.

The Cartel and super lab storylines are the highlights of BCS. I will give the writing of BCS credit for this....even though you already knew the outcome of the Lalo vs Gus war....the various cat and mouse games between them made for great tv.

I would have hated the show if I didn't have the chance to watch all the BCS seasons concurrently.
To be fair, I'm on record (on this website) for not liking the first two seasons of Breaking Bad. The last 3 seasons made Breaking Bad into one of the all time greats.

One of the things that made the show great was that in later seasons it tied up some of the loose ends from some of the earlier seasons.
The payoff of the final seasons was so great that it made up for the slower pace of the first two seasons.
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In reply to G.I.Bro • 9:40a, 12/28/24
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G.I.Bro said:
I was so unimpressed with BB that I have zero desire to watch BCS
Bingo!
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Both were great television series, imo.

However, Breaking Bad started to wear on me by the end. Once Hank and Mike were gone, there was no one with redeeming qualities left (except maybe Junior?) and I was just watching the last few episodes because I had to see it thru after all the time invested. I was glad it was over just to be done with it, rather than satisfied with the resolution. I'll never go back and rewatch the series, despite the first few seasons being so tremendous.

BCS was easier to watch, even though I admit the conflict with his brother could have been done faster/smoother. Kim was great and redeemed herself. Lalo was great at being evil to the end. Mike made it all the way through. Nacho was a great doomed character whose last act was somewhat redemptive. Gus was Gus. And Saul sacrificed his freedom to earn his own personal redemption. I'll watch BCS again, gladly.
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4:01p, 12/30/24
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I've watched BB all the way though probably 5 or 6 times. I've only seen BCS the one time it was on live. It was good, but not anywhere near as good as BB.
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In reply to TX AG 88 • 7:31a, 12/31/24
TX AG 88 said:
Both were great television series, imo.

However, Breaking Bad started to wear on me by the end. Once Hank and Mike were gone, there was no one with redeeming qualities left (except maybe Junior?) and I was just watching the last few episodes because I had to see it thru after all the time invested. I was glad it was over just to be done with it, rather than satisfied with the resolution. I'll never go back and rewatch the series, despite the first few seasons being so tremendous.

BCS was easier to watch, even though I admit the conflict with his brother could have been done faster/smoother. Kim was great and redeemed herself. Lalo was great at being evil to the end. Mike made it all the way through. Nacho was a great doomed character whose last act was somewhat redemptive. Gus was Gus. And Saul sacrificed his freedom to earn his own personal redemption. I'll watch BCS again, gladly.


Man I just don't get this take. Hank and Gomez die in the Ozymandias episode. That episode is the highest rated episode ever and generally considered the best episode of any show in tv history.

If someone doesn't really like BB then ok. But you said you think BB was a great series. How do you like BB, watch the best most jaw dropping episode ever put on tv, then are just "glad it is over just to be done with it"??? It was only 2 more episodes. You weren't excited to see how it ended? The end of the next episode with the theme music and whiskey glass didn't give you chills?
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My opinion about which series is better comes down to whichever one I have watched most recently
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